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Dec 18, 09 - 04:39 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

LOL!!

Dec 18, 09 - 04:39 pm Comment from: ron

Good riddance. Good riddance. Good riddance.

Dec 18, 09 - 04:45 pm Comment from: Amazin1

Now if only Mickie D. would be so smart and give what money is left over back to the stockholders.

Dec 18, 09 - 04:48 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

Now all the 786 idiots that actually purchased one of these PC boxes finally get the value that they deserved for supporting such a gun blazing company.

Why did they even go through with this? Did they actually think that they stood a chance against Apple? How stupid are they?

Dec 18, 09 - 05:03 pm Comment from: MacIrish

Watch for the sequel

Website's down- It's all over but the crying.

Now that Apple doesn't depend only on Macs anymore, it should make the OS accessible to everyone and bring Microsoft to it's knees. The PC market is desperately thirsty for a second option.

Dec 18, 09 - 05:12 pm Comment from: Mac Daddy

The market *has* a second option. It's called Apple.

I wonder how much market share apple will need before their vertical integration becomes anticompetitive. If MSFT had only 10% OS market share, I doubt anyone would have cared that they were bundling IE. How long can Apple be successful before the FTC messes up their business model?

Rattimouse, Rattimouse, where are you?

That's why I said the "PC market." Regular PCs need a second option.

Dec 18, 09 - 05:24 pm Comment from: Greg L

What a bunch of dumb asses.

Josh,
Regular PCs don't need a second option. Consumers need to choose the smart option - a Mac. And if they just can't bring themselves to do it, that's their own fault. Chrome OS is coming next year... they can have that.

Dec 18, 09 - 05:34 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

No one really believed that Psystar was a real company, did they?

Dec 18, 09 - 05:36 pm Comment from: cptnkirk

Wow! Eight employees! What did they pay for salaries? Divided by 8 the gross earnings would give each of the 8 around $30k. That doesn't take into account cost of cheap parts and the money the owners were taking out of the company nor the cost of their legal efforts. they must have paid these poor workers peanuts!

Dec 18, 09 - 05:39 pm Comment from: MacTony

Oh, they will probably rebrand the Rebel EFI. But, Apple has plenty of cash on hand to play court games.

Now i want to see another story like this with name microshaft.LOL

Dec 18, 09 - 05:41 pm Comment from: AAPLguy

Interesting that they are not gonna try to move forward selling windows or Linux boxes. All they were banking on was selling OSX boxes.

Steve shuts these guys down and AAPL is up 3.50.

I know he is trying, but just think what it would be if he manages to shutter Dell, Palm, RIM, Msoft, and GM?

Dec 18, 09 - 05:51 pm Comment from: Demon

It was a stunt to try and get VC money.
With no internet buzz the company would have closed 6 months after it opened and would have sold maybe a hand full of systems.
But, Psystar figured if they could pump the internet and generate enough buzz they could pump some Free VC Money into Rudy Pedraza's pocket and then he could walk away Rich and leave the VC's on the hook to Apple and the law.

After being burned the VC's didn't buy it and Pedraza brothers gotten a ride on the Legal system.

But, not to worry the Pedraza brothers are always up for a good scam. And Apple is the leader and they're still looking to see how they can scam some users wanting to go with Apple but, wanting a cheap as you can get PC. Expect them to steal some more open source code and claim they created it and sell a scam product like the EFi-X by Art Studios Entertainment Media. (Where Open source code + USB Key with a DRM Chip = profits!!! The EFi-X might cost a whole 5 dollars if that to make and sells for about $300.00 and might work for 18 months if you are lucky before burning itself to a Crisp all sealed up in it's secure from customer's eyes poor heat transfer epoxy filled outer thin plastic shell).

whoa! who saw THAT coming?

/s

Dec 18, 09 - 06:24 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

@anaknipedro
The problem with your analysis is that Apple and Microsoft have very deferent business models. Apple is a hardware company. So they would have to have a monopoly in hardware and software to be able to get in any kind of antitrust trouble. So when your software solution is 90% prevalent and you tie your browser to your OS so it can not be deleted, which Apple has not done ever, then you have a problem. The issues that Microsoft faced was that the browser was embedded in to the OS with out means of deleting it to use a competing packaged, Apple has neve done this with it's OS or browser.

Its easy to put osx on any hardware today. If you like to run osx on your pc its no problemo. I helped a couple of my friends to get osx on their hp:s and no name mashines. Its all done in 30 min.

uhmmm, too bad that DELL has to close another division

Adios you fsucking pieces of maggot shiit

@anak, the issue wasn't MS's share, it was the fact that at the time, it was impossible, to unbundle IE from the OS. On a Mac, you can install Firefox or Camino or some other browser and throw Safari in the trash. No probs.

Sadly, because this is Psystar, I'm still at least partially convinced this is yet another of their publicity stunts.

Only if they stay shut down for an extended period of time will I allow myself to believe that they're truly not coming back.

The most important thing is that this will discourage others from trying the same stunt.

Dec 18, 09 - 08:09 pm Comment from: Twenty Benson

Apple's aggression was aimed at ONE target only - the OS X customer.

MDN - the only place where turkeys vote for Christmas.

Excuse me while I take a Psys.

Maybe they wll move to Cuba or Mexico and start all over.

@ Josh

The "PC market" has a very, very good second option in Linux--Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc. I've installed a variety on my Macbook Pro using Virtual Box, and even on an old iBook G4, and every single distro has been quite usable--far more so in many aspects than MS Windows (but still no where NEAR as polished and foolproof as OS X).

@ anaknipedro:

MS was an abusive monopolist which used its dominance in one area to enforce a dominance in another. THAT was why they found themselves in legal troubles--deliberately sabotaging competitor's software, tying (bundling) products, charging OEMs a Windows license for every PC sold regardless of whether it had Windows or came with no OS, etc.

Apple can gain 100% market share and so long as it doesn't engage in anti-competitive practices, it will never be in legal troubles.

@ Twenty Benson:

Fscking idiot.

I can't wait to read the hilarious drivel from the usual no-life trolls that inhabit this site when news like this hits.
They must not be awake yet.

Twenty Benson. So Apple defending it's property is aggression? Thanks for the chuckle!

Dec 18, 09 - 11:37 pm Comment from: Twenty Benson

@F. Maxwell
"You want Apple to lose all of their massive profits from hardware sales that they use to fund development of OS X... gobble gobble"

Jeeeezz... that must be the obscene "massive profits" sat unused in Apple's bank account? Profits only possible by forcing OS X customers into an anti-competitive lock-in to a tiny range of 'pretty-boy-Ive' hardware?


"You fscking Windows troll... gobble gobble"

Like I say - a turkey voting for Christmas... how's your Windows laptop going BTW with your POS Microsoft OS? LOL.

"gobble gobble"

Keep posting, old boy--with Rattymouse gone, we've got an opening for a fool to keep around! Keep us smiling.

Dec 19, 09 - 03:48 am Comment from: justme2

@F. Maxwell: Nail, hammer, head. With Apple controlling hardware and software, they don't have to cope with desgning an OS that has to run on potentially inferior processors. We saw it when they dropped support for Classic apps, and most recently when Snow Leopard was Intel-only. That's why, @Josh, Apple isn't going to open up the Mac OS to all computer makers; the OS would have to be incredibly crippled to be able to work with low-budget processors, and probably would end up only marginally better than Windows is now.

Dec 19, 09 - 07:47 am Comment from: Twenty Benson

Fact is - like most discerning computer-users - I find OS X to be a beautiful product, Apple's masterpiece - an order of magnitude better than its nearest alternative.

But - also like most discerning computer-users - I'm not at all impressed by Apple's tiny and inadequate range of girlie hardware products.

Apple KNOWS there are millions of people like me. Apple KNOWS that if it did not force us to continue using its hardware - even though it falls well short of actually meeting our needs - we would all be off TOMORROW... buying readily available hardware from professional companies who are keen to supply a broad range of choices, keen to listen to varying customer needs and respond with highly appropriate product offerings and keen to win my business in an open and competitive free-market.

Because Apple knows this for a FACT - it acts aggressively to close down any young aspiring hardware business that attempts to enter the market providing OS X customers with extended hardware choices that meet their needs. Behind all its glossy, girlie, left-wing marketing hype, Apple is a ruthless, greedy multi-national player - forever exploiting the law to ensure customers are kept locked-in and free-market competition is kept locked-out as a means of squeezing as much profit as it possibly can out of its imprisoned user-base.

The success of this 'legal scam' of aggressive customer lock-in can be seen by looking at the company's mushrooming bank-balance... ten of billions in obscene profits which - despite Christmas-voting Mac turkeys warbling on about 'OS X development' - is clearly way, way in excess of anything remotely near the financial resources required to keep OS X the world's best.

Perhaps what is most remarkable about the company how successfully its marketing campaign has been at reducing a large section of its customer base to unquestionably lapping its 'coolaid'. In a bubble of blissful Apple-induced Stockholm Syndrome, these customers actually cheer the company on when it uses its massed profits to ruthlessly bankrupt and destroy any enterprising start-up arriving to help them with expanded hardware choices!

The irony in all this of course, it that Apple's iconic '1984' TV advert was taken to show the massed ranks of computer users obediently transfixed by a corporate 'big-brother' dictating exactly what they could and couldn't do and smashing any challenges... it turns out the advert was the company's view of where it wanted APPLE to be in the world and the power it wished to eventually have over its customers.

Judging by many of the bizarre warbled responses of the Christmas-voting Turkey Farm of MDN - its objective has been wildly successful.

Dec 19, 09 - 09:34 am Comment from: twilightmoon

Twenty Benson - the resident village idiot.
Apple KNOWS there are millions of people like me. Apple KNOWS that if it did not force us to continue using its hardware - even though it falls well short of actually meeting our needs - we would all be off TOMORROW... buying readily available hardware from professional companies who are keen to supply a broad range of choices, keen to listen to varying customer needs and respond with highly appropriate product offerings and keen to win my business in an open and competitive free-market.

Because Apple knows this for a FACT - it acts aggressively to close down any young aspiring hardware business that attempts to enter the market providing OS X customers with extended hardware choices that meet their needs. Behind all its glossy, girlie, left-wing marketing hype, Apple is a ruthless, greedy multi-national player - forever exploiting the law to ensure customers are kept locked-in and free-market competition is kept locked-out as a means of squeezing as much profit as it possibly can out of its imprisoned user-base.

Behind all your useless and incessant rambling, you are a thief, a jerk, and a liar. Apple fanboys can be annoying but you are far far worse. Apple fans love their products and think they are the best ones made. They want everyone else to see the same joy of using them as they do.

Entitlement minded people are really some of the worst scum of the entire human race.

I really mean that in a big way. Every genocide, every case of human slavery, all stems from one thing: greed. The idea that you are entitled to something that someone else has. You are not.

The idea that you are fundamentally serving a very very evil purpose of greed and larceny and at the same time calling Apple tyrannical is the worst form of hypocrisy. Simply embarrassing, and disgraceful.

But by all means keep posting your vile and odious nasty rants, keep insulting people that like Apple products on an Apple fan blog (shocking). We are all dying to hear everything you have to say, it's so insightful and I'm sure many of us have never heard these arguments before. Please continue.

Dec 19, 09 - 10:30 am Comment from: DX

The trouble with having Apple as the only source of Mac-compatible hardware is that when their quality drops (and drops), there's nowhere else to go.

Previously I wouldn't have worried but after the 27" iMac fiasco I really have my doubts about Apple's long-term viability as a top-quality supplier. I mean, talk about shoving stuff out the door and just having a policy to treat early adopters as guinea pigs. I guess it's been going on for years, but seriously THREE different machines which have taken two months to arrive for a grand total of 5 use days? We're still not even sure the next replacement will be acceptable.

I hate to say it but I've lost my faith, and wish that people like Psystar were more prevalent. At least then it wouldn't be a choice between "shit Apple gear" and "Windows".

:(

Dec 19, 09 - 10:44 am Comment from: iworker

C'mon Guys, how about sticking to the issues instead of trading insults which lowers the quality of the debate.

Dec 19, 09 - 11:59 am Comment from: Twenty Benson

@DX
"The trouble with having Apple as the only source of Mac-compatible hardware is that when their quality drops (and drops), there's nowhere else to go."
Welcome to the Apple lock-in. Not only 'quality' dropping, but 'breadth-of-choice' dropping too.

"I mean, talk about shoving stuff out the door and just having a policy to treat early adopters as guinea pigs..."
My sympathies. Apple do it because they know they can get away with it... until the law changes and they are forced to have healthy competition.

"I hate to say it but I've lost my faith, and wish that people like Psystar were more prevalent. At least then it wouldn't be a choice between "shit Apple gear" and "Windows".
As a customer I agree with you - but as Psystar has shown, Apple will call in its 'heavies' (ref: 1984 advert) to make sure OS X users can never, ever buy from an enterprising hardware competitor.

Introducing free-market competition can only ever be healthy for Apple. It would force the company to stop dictating to OS X customers what hardware they must use, it would force Apple to improve the quality of its own hardware and it would force Apple to immediately expand its narrow profit-grabbing product range from what it is currently constricted to. All this we can be absolutely sure of.

Good ridden s!!!!!

Dec 19, 09 - 12:53 pm Comment from: Twenty Benson

@F. Maxwell

Intelligent readers will already know we've had this discussion before. That you still refuse to pick up the points I place before you can only only be due to a severe bout of Stockholm Syndrome - which is hardly my problem.

I have on a couple of occasions invited you to compare Apple's current severely limited product range with hardware ranges offered for other operating systems and to think about what the differences are. For some reason I can only assign to Stockholm Syndrome you claim to be unable to do this... even though, as I have suggested, a 12 year old child with a reasonable education and access to the internet would take no more than 5 minutes to come up with an intelligent answer. Ditto with Apples previous product ranges - when the company cared more about meeting the needs of its various customer-bases than profit-pigging with swell its obscene bank balance.

No doubt the same 12 year old could come up with a reasonable business model within which Apple could still operate as a successful company (although perhaps not creaming-off such greedy profits from its enforced lock-in) whilst the market is opened up to a dynamic, healthy competition in licensed OS X hardware from the free-market.

As noted, Apple will never arrive at this position of its own accord... as long as it can continue fleecing locked-in OS X customers for outrageous profits and using those same profits to viciously crush any fair competition, the company will need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the cold light of the real business world... where it will have to up the quality and quantity of the stuff it makes to win customers from other companies doing the same.

Once the rage of the Stockholm Syndrome has worn off, and once you get used to life without the self-imposed fence of the turkey-run, you will thank me for this - I promise ...In the meantime, you've always got your beloved Windows laptop to fall back on

Look again, website of thieves is back up and running, rebel efi is for sale. The rip off of Apple IP continues.

Update to this story according to Mac Rumors is that they are not done yet. They plan to go ahead with the florida case, (even though they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning). Also will try and get there EFI software to be okayed by the judge even though that falls under the category as breaking the DRM of OSX as well as the license agreement. I think the owner of Psystar should pack it in as he will lose more money in on going court costs because what he's going after just isn't any different than what Judge Alsup has already ruled on in California.

Dec 19, 09 - 04:50 pm Comment from: iPhoneEnvy

His name is Benson, and his I.Q. is Twenty.

@ myself: Sadly, because this is Psystar, I'm still at least partially convinced this is yet another of their publicity stunts.

Only if they stay shut down for an extended period of time will I allow myself to believe that they're truly not coming back.

Sounds like I called it: Reports of Psystar's Demise Appear Premature.

The moral of the story is: never ever ever ever trust anything spoken by anyone affiliated with Psystar. Ever.

Dec 19, 09 - 10:32 pm Comment from: GRANDxADMIRAL

What do you get when you divide Phystar by "0" ?

Dec 20, 09 - 08:57 am Comment from: Twenty Benson

@F. Maxwell

Don't worry, when it comes to "erroneously failing" (LOL) it's an unfortunate side effect of Stockholm Syndrome - as we have frequently seen in your "erroneously failing" to squirm out of facing the facts.

As you know, the FACTS are that if Apple was forced to accept third-party hardware suppliers competing with its own pitifully limited offerings in an open and healthy free-market, MILLIONS of OS X users would choose from a much broader range of hardware supplied by Apple's competitors (myself included).

Obviously, these discerning customers would shop-around and make their buying decisions on what hardware solution best met their computing needs.

You can huff and puff about this market truth until you are blue in the face - you can even carry on scribbling acres of verbiage claiming not to understand (or want) customer choice and free-markets. You can even continue refusing to look at the broad range of hardware available under your nose for other operating systems and make a simple comparison... but in all this you just continue digging yourself into a hole and confirming everyone's impression that you are suffering under a severe bout of Stockholm Syndrome.

It sounds like you are unable to use ANY OS without feeling the need to become a 'fanboi' - and your very recent jump from being a Windows fanboi to becoming a Mac fanboi involved swopping one state of blissful denial for another... that would explain the absence of any intelligence or coherence in your "erroneously failing" responses.

On a previous thread I offered you the chance of stepping outside of your Stockholm Syndrome bubble so that our exchange could make progress. You refused to show me you can think for yourself by making the very simple comparison I asked you for... so I had no choice but to end the exchange. I have now given you another chance and see you still are clinging to your 'ignorance is bliss' dead-end.

@Gabriel

That's good news that Psystar has its website back up. RebelEFI, of course, is no different to programs like Parallels and enable hardware to run a choice of operating systems. I really hope the company can make a success out of its version... but no doubt the enterprising Psystar will have to overcome Apple's vicious hypocrisy and refusal to release OS X users from its highly lucrative hardware lock-in scam along the way.