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Ketchup anyone?

I prefer A1

Is this serious? A new version of the operating system every year?

This rate of change is too rapid. People will stop purchasing if they think that whatever it is they're buying is going to be out of date in a short period of time.

I was hoping Steve would give some more details about this release, as is customary at these meccas, but it seems like he got distracted by x86. I was also expecting an announcement for the release of iTunes 4.9 after he went on about podcasting. Oh well, I will have to wait.

I'm not saying this will happen.

In fact, I really hope it *doesn't*

But if - what if - Leopard did run on regular everyday PCs... Releasing it just before Longhorn would be a really bold crazy move that would totally be a punch in the gut to Microsoft.

Hehe

Like I said, I doubt it will happen and I think it would be bad for OS X to run on any old PC... but, its an interesting idea lol

Keep in mind you never have to upgrade to the newest version. Apple makes a load of cash off of selling its upgrades, and hope you do, but don't require it. You can easily skip every second or third update and still run most apps!

This is great, now all the Longhorn comparisons can be made against Leopard! wee!

Gog - Not strictly every year, every 18 months. Still maybe too short a gap but better than too big of one, plus you don't have to upgrade. Also they'd really be missing a trick if they didn't try and steal whatever thunder Microsoft could get with Longhorn.

i wonder if they even have any new features planned yet? or are they saying this just to get the word out early...and i doubt this will be a full-fledged, $129 upgrade. this will probably be a smaller $79 upgrade or something...just SOMEthing so apple won't look "outdated" with tiger.

mw "expect"....how fitting

It's been announced for 2006 -OR- 2007.

In other words, when it comes out in 2007, it's not LATE.

Longhorn IS late--again--if it comes out in 2007.

>I prefer A1 >

Try HP.

I know it's early in the northern hemisphere but yesterday half the posts predicted the end of the world and questioned Job's sanity. Where are these people now?

To me Apple's CEO is making good business decisions. Microsoft's bleeding and now's the time to take the battle to Redmond's ramparts. If Apple can take ten per cent of M'soft's turf while Longhorn's release date keeps slipping then you'll find that word of mouth will cause more support for the Apple OS. And Apple's shareholders will cry all the way to the bank.

It's not the end of the world, it's just a brave new beginning. Apple users have to be brave as well. There''ll be no room for gutless wonders, it's all a matter of holding onto your hats and hanging on for the ride.

As a business teacher I used to use Apple as a case study. In another year or so I'll be doing it again. Yeehaa, let's ride that steer.

"This rate of change is too rapid. People will stop purchasing if they think that whatever it is they're buying is going to be out of date in a short period of time."

What rubbish! If each iteration of OSX is better than the last then everyone is happy and will buy. If you were on the first version of OSX you would still be better off than using Windows. There is no requirement to upgrade with every version.

Ooooh slow down Mr Apple, we can't keep up. Ehhh?

bikersrule: sadly a lot of those comments yesterday (undoubtedly some of them were trolls..) are now being quoted in the press.

What a lot of bollocks we are going to read in the next days: "Mac faithful set to abandon ship..." Oh yeah??

Do you think it is just a coincidence that Apple is changing its spots (PowerPC to Intel) and the next version of OS X is called "Leopard".

We just heard that OS X "Tiger" was essentially finished. Will "Leopard" be the first "Intel-ready" or dual-processor capable version of OS X?

Will this run on my just purchased 20" G5 iMac? It won't be for Intel only will it?

think about if longhorn was a flop this could kill microsoft by releasing it onto pcs and is apple going to liscense it out to other companies? and rembemer it could very well be released in 2007

Here's the thing:

So long as my Mac looks like a Mac when I start it up, and looks as good as my current G5 when I take it out of its box, then I really don't care if its being powered by IBM's PowerPC, Intel's Pentium or a troupe of highly disciplined, overworked gerbils.

After all, if I undo my current machine - which I only ever do to chuck some more RAM in or maybe upgrade the video card (hardly everyday tasks) - all I see is two massive heatsink covers that say G5. If it wasn't for Apple's System Profiler, I wouldn't have a clue what was under there and I suspect that 95% of people don't even care.

Randy:

If Leopard ships in early 2007 and the hardware migration isn't complete until late 2007, it's fair to say that Leopard will probably support all G5 Macintosh systems and many latterday (1 GHz+) G4 systems.

And I still believe that, between now and late 2007, Apple will ship a system based on IBM's 970MP and probably another generation as well, whilst laptops might still see Freescale technology before too long.

Gog:

Tiger shipped in April 2005. Leopard might ship in January 2007. That's nearly two years.

I would like to make mention of something....

With Apple selling their 2,000,000 copy of Tiger, at an average of $100/per...the take on that is $2 billion, minus the cost of a box and a cd. I believe that they expect to double that in the next year; an extra $4 billion plus in the war chest. Steve is going to need it to help him through this transition of slow power pc sales. No one should want to buy a power pc machine unless they absolutly HAVE TO. The minuite the developer decides not to check both boxes, (to make a univeral binary to run on both intel and PPC) your G3, G4, G5 just became obsolite. (all at the whim of the developer, or by a push from Apple.) Picture this: take your brand new dual G5 that you just bought, go a year or so in the future, (Although you are probably safe for a while longer as long as you only use main stream apps.) put it (your new G5) in a coffin and shut the lid. (Remeber OS9) It could also be used as a boat anchor as well, but don't plan on selling it on ebay, where Apple prices have always been strong on ebay, with this elimination of the "G" series, I expect Apple ebay prices to tank. (Another reason for this is that the Apple community historically wants the latest and greatest thing on the market, and people who buy off ebay have the same mentality, they are just on a delay cycle, usually because of cost; and anyone with any forthought will not want to purchase an obsolite machine - even if it is only 6mths-1year old.)

I have gotten so off-topic from where I wanted to be....the point I wanted to make is this....

Based on the figures above on how much is being made for apple on every OS release, it is probably at least 100 fold when MS releases an OS release. This is significant. Think about how much money has been lost by the perpetual delays of Longhorn. This is a significant hit to MS's bottom line - I would guess at least 100-250 BILLION. If Steve was in charge at MS, (first this situation would have never happened) entire departments would have been fired - and with good reason. It just goes to show the severe inadequacies and shortfalls of the empire that is MS. (They are just as delayed on thier CRM product.)

2 million x $100 = 200 million dollars.

Spencer,

2 million times $100 is $200 million not $2 billion. Just wanted to let you know.

Anybody buying a Mac in the next year???????

Why would anybody now upgrade to Tiger?????
Or buy any Mac software????

Didn´t it used to be that when the version went up by an entire number (say OS 7 to OS 8) one paid for the new version, but when it went from 7.1 to 7.2 this was free upgrade.
Now Apple is sucking $100 plus every year for a .1 improvement in the software.
If it was Microsoft doing it - everyone would be screaming MS sucks.
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Question: What will be the price of a:
Intel powered 3.6 Ghz Dell?
Intel powered 3.6 Ghz Apple?
The only difference will be the outside design and the OS. How much of a markup will Apple add...and will people pay it?
And at least with MS OS one can go AMD for the processor - which are faster than Intel (at the moment).

I am a retard!

I see Dell adding AMD processors to their line-up in the future.
Then they can play the get the processor Apple can´t use...

Seriously - anybody actively thinking of buying a Mac in the next year???
Why??? Why not wait?

"I was hoping Steve would give some more details about this release, as is customary at these meccas, but it seems like he got distracted by x86. I was also expecting an announcement for the release of iTunes 4.9 after he went on about podcasting. Oh well, I will have to wait."

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Seeing how Tiger was released in April and WWDC 05 is all about Tiger, I think it wouldn't be prudent to talk about Leopard.

As far as being "distracted" about x86. I wouldn't call it distracted as much as I would call it getting your developer base on board for a MAJOR transition for the Mac platform.

The announcement of iTunes 4.9's release was stated at the D:All Things Digital conference. At the conference, Steve said it would ship within 60 days. That would bring us to July 22 (at the latest).

Answer to Larry B- I'll buy a Mac in the next year if I need one (i.e mine or my wife's die of old age). Then we'll use the new one for a long time until -it- dies of old age.

We buy Macs because they're useful and we like them, not because it's some mythical "right time to buy".

And we don't worry about resale value because we always use them as long as they work.

WILL LEOPARD RUN ON POWERPC CHIPS - I DON'T THINK SO!

i don't want power pc or intel chips. i want my mac to run on hamsters. fast, geneticaly modified hampsters using leopard stem cells. so there!!

Let me put one thing straight -

I HOPE that when Apple release an Intel Mac that it hasn't got that crappy sticker stuck on it saying - 'intel inside'.

I don't mind Apple using intel processors - but please - those stickers look crap!

Have you ever tried getting one off a pc without leaving all sorts of glue on the machine??

THAT STICKER WILL DEVALUE THE MAC BUYING EXPERIENCE!!

So I beg Apple - DO NOT LET INTEL HAVE THOSE BLOODY STICKERS ON YOUR HARDWARE!!!

Petey: yes it will - simply because of timing.

PPC to Intel Hw transition finishes in late 2007

Leopard due out first half, possibly even first quarter, of 2007.

So according to you, Apple is going to ship its high-end systems for six months without the latest revision of OS X.

Do you have any idea how illogical that sounds…

I don't recall Steve calling the next release of the OS 10.5 - He just call it "Leopard". With the transistion to Intel - could this mean Mac OS 11.0 - then again why carry on with the cat moniker?

Is this serious? A new version of the operating system every year?

Dear God.. you're not actually complaining.. or are you just bitter because you can't handle basic Math.

1.5 years has been the norm for Apple. That's obvious.

Tiger came out in April of 2005...

Leopard will come out Winter 2006/Spring 2007

This is the norm..

(Although they DID say they were slowing OS releases.. I guess the LH play was just too tempting. They fucked up winHEC with Tiger.. and they'll fuck the launch with Leopard. For once I actually think some advertising might be fun ...)

I can't believe that there are still retards like "El Predicto" who believe that the version number has some special meaning. Steve Jobs should announce that Leopard will be 10.6! These idiots would go bats##t! Two numbers! Holy crap!

Bill Gates would probably commit suicide when details of Leopard is released. Longhorn isn't as good as any OS ever released by Apple, EVEN OS 1!!!

I wonder why Apple arn't gonna use the new Cell technology instead of Intel. I guess nobody realy knows how good/bad/practical these Cell chips are yet.