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They are so funny because it is true. Also, the demo Bill does of the future where he is collaborating with colleagues totally reminds me of the Knowledge Navigator video from a long, long time ago. Check out the part with the chart. Doesn't that remind you of the graph from KN?

Less than 3 days till nanobooks!!!

rockin the 06'

u can check out the Knowledge Navigator here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ericestrada/Movies/iMovieTheater53.html

The more i watch this the more it looks like a bad joke.

Does Microsoft not have one creative bone in its collective body?

It's almost unblievable.

The sad thing is that Apple hasn´t promoted its OS enough so that the average computer user (the 90+% non apple users) thinks all this Windows Vista stuff is new and original from Microsoft.
When it finally comes out they will all say cool...and then say why do we need to switch to Apple if Vista gives us the same experience?

Steve has failed miserably in promoting his OS and computers.

I love those banners!!
Apple is well aware MS rips off everything they do.
I remember one of them with the Spotlight icon and the text 'Longhorn, you'll find it in Tiger'.

Cheers

I agree with you Queezzie.
What Apple needs to do though is keep innovating.
Be a moving target.
AND promote it!

Apple, nature.

Window, human whim.

Apples existed long, long before windows.

Applause

Not that funny. But he's right "... still good for a giggle..."

Microsoft is doing what everybody else is with their "ipod killers." They take the product, take away the Apple freakish goodness (I sounded ghetto there), and change the name. Welcome to the life of ripoffs.

Goodnight MDN.

Apple needs to advettyise Tiger NOW! If not, if (and hopefully when) they do, people will be thinking Apple copied Vista!!!!

Steve has failed miserably in promoting his OS and computers.

Hardly. Industry CPU growth is about 13% per annum. Mac CPU growth is running 3X that rate.

Uncontrolled growth has the potential to be more damaging than no growth at all.

Adv ertising isn't all its cracked up to be. There are other ways to get your product noticed that cost less, and are more effective. Apple knows what it's doing.

that's really funny. what's not funny is that there are people out there that think the whole vista concept is brand new when apple has had the same functions for almost a year and will have them for more than a year once vista gets released. i'll have some boneheads that i work with saying they can do "this" or "that" with Vista. I'll just give them the blank stare and tell them I've been doing that for years with Apple Mac OS X TIger. The truth is, many people don't even know that Apple has a Mac OS outside of the ipod.

But look at the money Apple spends promoting Macs vs. iPods...

It's time to start advertising Mac and the MacOS, now that Apple is pretty much a household name because of the iPod.

Gregg T. - you are dreaming.
"uncontrolled growth" LOL
Apples growth in the past YEAR was up over the rest of the industry. Last year.
Most of it is from old Apple owners upgrading their systems. You think Apple is going to continue that type of growth every year? Dream on.
Once Vista comes out watch the zillions of PC owners start upgrading. (Heck, there are more Windows 98 owners using the internet than all Mac OS users combined.) And when Vista comes out Bill Gates will promote the heck out of it and they will sell zillions of copies of their OS. (You ever remember any OSX ads that got your PC owning friend´s attention?)

"Adv ertising isn't all its cracked up to be.". Spoken like true genius...LOL. Could you please show your proof.
What you must mean is: "BAD, ineffective or non-existant advertising isn't all its cracked up to be." Which is what Apple does for its OS and computers.
Steve stuck all his ad budget into building up the network of Apple stores. It helped sales for sure, but still Apple has a teeny, tiny share of the computer market.
And why do you think Apple stopped breaking out sales for each line of computers in its quarterly financial reports - basically to cover up how poor the mac mini (the computer that was going to convert the masses of PC users to MacOS) is a dud.
Can anybody remember one ad or promotion for the macmini aimed at PC owners?
And hoping for a product to become a cult, in-fashion hit (like the iPod) is totally unpredictible and uncontrollable. If it wasn´t for all the Windows owners buying the iPod (which works with a Windows computer and they don´t need an Apple computer), the iPod would have been a low seller. Apple couldn´t rely on its Mac computer owning base to bring in the sales it has enjoyed.

3 ipods in our family. All working thru windows machines. itunes works great on windows.

we also own an imac - don´t flame me.

hahahahahaha

When Vista ships folks in the MSM will gush how innovative the new OS from Microsoft is and how it will set a new standard in user experience. Just you wait and see.
I hope that some in the MSM will speak up for Apple.
IF Apple were to ship an OS—that is IF—game over for Microsoft.

Even with all the copied features from Tiger, Vista will be crap if it is prone to viruses and spyware. Even then, Vista will make Micrsosoft a mountain of money.

I saw episode 1 initially and I thought it was a riot. Episode 2 spotlighting "ripoff" and linking to NY Times Circuit CES article by Pogue was a hoot.

Bob H,you make some good points. But I disagree with your statement that "zillions of PC owners" will be switching to Vista. There are still plenty of PC owners who use Windows 98 and the horrible Millenium Edition ( I think blue must be these people's favorite color). Not everybody can dish out hundreds of dollars everytime Microsoft releases a new operating system or Office Suite. And we all know Vista is going to need some serious hardware to take advantage of all it's features.

And iPods had already gained a sizable share of the MP3 player market BEFORE iTunes became available to Windows XP users.

The back of my XP Upgrade box has this statement:
"Store and share your pictures, make music mixes, or create videos - dependably and securely."

It's not the Mac Cultists sippin' the kool-aid, it's the "zillion of PC owners" that believe that statement who are doing the sipping.

Open this link in Windows Media Player for Mac

ces_billgates_keynote_2006004_300.asx.asf

It's long, but it's what they have coming.

Bob H,

I love folks like you. I've made 1000% on AAPL in the last 3 years. Growth in CPU sales is 30+%. Think it's not sustainable? If sales double every year for 3 years that's still only a 24% market share. Do you remember seeing any Corvette ads lately? That's because they already sell all the Corvettes they make, without advertising. As far as the Apple stores, it's far more effective than TV ads that would get people into a Fry's or Best Buy where the high school drop out sales staff will steer them away from Macs and to the Dell aisle because the margins are better and because they are totally ignorant of anything but Windoze first-person shooters. I was in CompUSA last week looking for a Mac keyboard. The helpful and professional sales clerk didn't know that a Mac keyboard has USB ports and didn't even seem to know what a USB port looked like.

The Mac Mini is in the same position as the iPod before the iTunes store opened. I suspect we will see a whole new niche for the Mac mini by the end of next week. But you keep right on dissing Apple, Bob. Meantime, I'll be paying for an Ivy League university education out of my AAPL holdings.

"Once Vista comes out watch the zillions of PC owners start upgrading. (Heck, there are more Windows 98 owners using the internet than all Mac OS users combined.)"

Ha! You just negated your own argument, zilions won't upgrade BECAUSE they are still using Windows 98 and are stuck there!

Those millions of Win98 users are probably in about the same position I was. I refused to buy another OS from MS. When Win98 died I bought a PowerMac G5 and never looked back. Do you think Win98 users are going to be happy about spending $1500 on a new machine to run the same old crap with a couple more bells and whistles that make it even more buggy and complex? Or do you think the just might spend $500 on a Mac Mini with OS X? Or even $1500 on a killer iMac with extra memory, a superdrive, ilife, an iSight, and extra HD space?

I don't understand why is it that every company with a patent is suing Apple for infringement, but M$ gets to blatently rip off Mac OS 10.4 without so much as a sniffle from Apple's lawyers? Any blind fool can see that Vista is mostly stolen from Apple, so where is the outrage?

I hate it when the bad guys win.

@montex
Thats because Apple signed an open agreement allowing Bill Gates to copy aspects of the Mac Classic GUI back in 1987 which is something that MS does to this day. I think it was John Sculley that signed it with Gates.

Apple sales are 67% up in Europe and slightly over 50% in the US and 49% more in the world. And, as you say, without much ads. Seems some people is noticing: these sales are NOT just old faithfuls upgrading their old gears.

OS X is the largest Unix distribution in the world. Concerning market share: are you comparing apples to apples? when you do a 5% vs 90% (actually less than that) you are comparing OS X vs Windows on market data that comes from computer brand vs computer brand. The closing-down PC assemblers are not happier just because everyone counted against Apple are around 90%. They could not care because they are closing doors. On market share, count brand against brand then you can get a meaningful info and see who is in the black (Apple, Dell and who else?!) and who is in the red (the rest of the pack)

Apple is doing extremely fine, thank you all.

Zeke I think you and others might be missing Bob H. points:
He is saying that sales of Apple computers could be higher but Steve does not know how to advertise them properly.
There may be a few Apple stores in selected areas but even you don´t go to one - you admit u went to CompUSA looking for a Mac keyboard last week.

And Zeke: "I've made 1000% on AAPL in the last 3 years."
LOL Zeke.

Your note about Corvette - owned by GM. GM is on the verge of possible bankruptcy. GM lost nearly $4 billion in the first nine months of 2005, 30,000 job cuts. Maybe they need to advertise more and sell more Corvettes. And do you realize how few Corvettes are sold??? Sales are down over 15% this year.


Zeke: "Meantime, I'll be paying for an Ivy League university education out of my AAPL holdings."
LOL,LOL So you are in high school now????
Let´s see Harvard tuition costs around $40,000 year...plus living expenses another $15,000-$20,000 a year X at least 4 years. And you are going to make all that money from Apple stock before you graduate from high school?

And your 30% growth in CPU sales...are you falling into the "accounting" trap of not considering that some people classify the iPod as having a CPU in it...AND that every power mac is at least a dual processor and two processors may be sold - but only one computer is sold???

The bottom line is that Mac share of the market is still under 5%. Apple is profitable and we are all paying a premium price to make sure they are. We wish Apple would sell more product so it could lower its prices.
We do hope Apple brings out a computer that breaks through to the masses and is snapped up in quantity by PC owners like the iPod is.

Jan and Dean: Apple sales coud be higher but they sell computers. Apple has been penalized quite few times because unable to have units in good quantities from their suppliers. Currently it is a continuos rush: hopefully Intel will be able and willing to supply Apple with as many CPUs it happens to need, either 1 million, 2 millions or 5 millions in a Quarter. And that just with a phone call rather than having to build additional factories and hope in few months to be able to ramp up production (recent history).

Growth in CPU sales: Apple internally does not fall into that trap. Units are computer units, a laptop counts as one and a Dual G5 counts for one. A Quad counts for one.

Mac shares of the market is still less than 5%, but Dell is ~18%, HP is ~15%, IBM (Lenovo now) is ~6.5%, Fujitsu is ~3.8% and Acer is ~3.2% .

In 88 Apple sold less that one million units in one whole year and had a world market share of around 6%. Today it sells over one million units in ONE Quarter and it does not reach 5%. In the last two years it has beaten hands down the overal growth of computer sales, but pundits still talk about an ailing Apple. This is more remarkable than the last two remarkable years of the most profitable computer manufacturer in the world.

Apple is the 4th BIGGEST computer brand in the world?

exactly. Not only that, it is more than 50% of Google and has doubled its value faster than Google. Wanna bet that Apple will double again before Google?

PS
MS stagnates, biggest but stagnates.

We do hope Apple brings out a computer that breaks through to the masses and is snapped up in quantity by PC owners

The masses go for the cheapest of the lot, not the best of the lot. Apple strives to produce the best of the lot, even if it has the highest price of the lot. The two things do not have a convergence pattern to follow.

The masses select at Fry the "Best Deal", then end up paying at times more than a Mac but feel good: they had the best deal, the others are Mac users that believe everything Jobs say. Best deal PC users are instead the smartest: they know where to put their money.

UUHHAHAHHAUEHUHAHAHUHAHAUHAHUA

Just a note: have a colleague with a Wintel and its usual add-on expenditures just to make it run. This guy goes with over 100$ yearly subscriptions fees, and some 300$ worth software used only for maintenance.

3 years ago he bought his PC and saved some 300$ over my G5, but I have a bigger HD, bluetooth, wireless and OS X.
I know he sees how stupid his savings was but he is so much in denial that keeps justifying that the additional money he spent are not to be put in the tag for the PC. He lies, he knows I know he lies but will never admit it.

PS
I earn more than him and am in higher position in the company. Coincidence?

No 'hammer', Mycrowsoft doesn't have a creative bone in its body, you're right.

It has TOO many products, TOO many aspirations, TOO many chiefs, TOO many rules, TOO many people there for the money not the creativity, TOO higher expectations put on it, TOO much greed, TOO much scorn for others, TOO much willingness to copy, AND TWO TOO many bosses called Ballmer & Gates...

The downward spiral of Microsoft was underway a couple of years ago. The start of 2006 has demonstrated its downward spiral to the whole world.

While Apple's UPWARD spiral is well underway and it will be shown to the world AGAIN on Tuesday.


GO APPLE

A third episode has been posted at the same link, this time showing off iPhoto:

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