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Mar 12, 08 - 05:23 pm Comment from: balanced

typical mainstream news BS

and the apple tv sucks. How many have they sold, 200,000, maybe? So, it doesn't really matter that the apple tv could do this 1 year ago. The mac mini could do this this the moment it was released several years ago, as could any window media center computer.

And the Wii could access YouTube before the AppleTV so what? All Apple did was add a YouTube icon, very innovative.

Are we really going to bash Tivo now because they offer access to a third party website?

Mar 12, 08 - 06:07 pm Comment from: madgunde

Actually, AppleTV sales were estimated to be 400,000 back in December '07 and another 400,000 were projected to be sold over the holiday rush. This was a conservative estimate, since the article was discussing how poorly the AppleTV was doing compared to Apple's initial projections.

This was of course before AppleTV Take 2, which has gotten very good reviews from most of the press, so they may have sold a million units already. Sure, not as many units as Tivo has sold since day one, but AppleTV has been out for just over a year and Tivo has been out for over 8 years. Last I heard, Tivo's sales weren't doing so hot though.

According to Wikipedia:
"TiVo has only a 30-40% market share in the USA of a total DVR market of roughly 10-12 million systems." So that would put Tivo sales at around 3m to 4.8m units. Divide that by 8 years of sales and you're looking at 600,000 units per year, less than what AppleTV is doing.

Mar 12, 08 - 06:09 pm Comment from: madgunde

@Jay,

I think MDN is more bashing the article because it's incorrect. If the article were accurate, this probably wouldn't have attracted MDN's attention.

TiVo should be bashed for stopping the innovation. I want easy access to shows from my Mac. Thank you TiVoDecodeManager for simplifying this for me. As for TiVo, I bought into it to bypass commercials... Ahem...

MDN is becoming more and more moronic every day.
It surely is being written by 14 year olds.

Fair redirects and humorous comments are always nice to read at fan sites, but inability to analyse significance of events affecting apple is disappointing.

Its a deal with google, remember. apple board member google. tivo in way more homes than apple -still a hobby and not a platform while apple is busy solidifying iPhone platform- tv,

it is big.

Mar 12, 08 - 06:25 pm Comment from: Spark

Some of the posters above seem to think that YouTube on Apple TV is no different than web access YouTube (Wii/Mac mini). It's not. Furthermore, I suspect that it only because of the YouTube format updating done for Apple TV that TIVO can now offer this feature to its customers. I'm happy for TIVO and its customers, but credit for making YouTube a television experience does belong to Apple.

Yawn! Who cares, go ahead and watch that crappy YouTube garbage video on your HDTV. No thanks! It's bad enough on my computer much less watching it on 46" widescreen.

Mar 12, 08 - 06:30 pm Comment from: Spark

@niji
MDN's remarks aren't slam on TIVO as much as they are directed at the NY Times. The combination of fawning over TIVO's "breakthrough", combined with their mis-reporting of when Apple TV introduced the same capability, obviously drove the MDN team over the edge.

Mar 12, 08 - 06:53 pm Comment from: Macintosh

I agree with MDNs take. The NY Times is supposed to report the news, and do it accurately. It's not fair to Apple to be so far ahead, which also makes their stock more attractive, and then have the NY Times mislead the public and investors.

People are thinking Tivo is right up there with Apple... Yeah right.

Tivo may be in more homes for now, but Apple's Mac, iPod, iPhone, and especially iTunes are in more homes than Tivo a hundred fold. Apple TV will be an extension of a system that millions and millions of people have.

Apple TV is not a "hobby" anymore. It's a finished product. iTunes content is what is lacking, but it's getting better everyday. And the content in iTunes will sell more of everything, not just Apple TVs.

One thing to note on Apple TV is that there has been no advertisements yet. Nothing.

The article claims that Tivo has 800,000 people with the correct set up to get Youtube. Apple has definitely sold more than 800,000 units, and all of them already have Youtube. With no advertising.

Mar 12, 08 - 07:49 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

"it nonetheless makes us wonder just what else is incorrect in the pages of The New York Times?"

Oh, I don't know. Their version of reality maybe?

Mar 12, 08 - 07:53 pm Comment from: TowerTone

I can hardly not wait....

Well, at least the guy mentioned Apple TV has these features and didn't state that this will help TiVo deal with Apple.

Incompetent Journalists! not MDN

"Apple has definitely sold more than 800,000 units"

If AppleTV was selling well you'd hear about it, SJ loves to talk about good sales. Nobody outside Apple knows how many units have been sold which isn't good for the product.

AppleTV has the stink of death on it.

Mar 12, 08 - 08:59 pm Comment from: shen

"If AppleTV was selling well you'd hear about it, SJ loves to talk about good sales. "

yeah, like 50 million sold. just because he hasn't talked about it .... yet.... means little to nothing.

AppleTV is awesome!!!

It started as they began the drift to the right. The NYT is not left wing and hasn't been in the slightest for a long time. Want to see real left wing journalism? Go to The Nation for a taste of the real thing.

They have also been increasingly factually challenged as the right-wing drift has continued. I guess few are foing their homework these days. Kind of fits for a paper that has been carrying Dubya's water for all these years.

"All the news that fits- we print"

Mar 12, 08 - 10:45 pm Comment from: TowerTone

If you think the Time is drifting to the right, then you haven't been foing your homework, either. Unless, of course, you mean on a scale of -10 to +10, they have gone from a -8 to a -7.

Only works for the TiVo Series 3 or the $800 HD TiVo box? That knocks out a significant portion of their subscription base. Am I willing to go out and buy a newer TiVo box just to get You Tube?
Nope.

All I really want is for Apple TV to record live TV, like TiVo. One machine to rule them all. C'mon, Apple, I know you can do it. Why must you make us wait?

Mar 12, 08 - 11:34 pm Comment from: ken1w

I guess my Series II TiVo will miss the party. So only about 800,000 TiVo units can potentially use this service. That's not very many.

I don't think YouTube is gonna look that great full screen on a HD tv. Besides, there's nothing long enough or engaging enough to need it on your telly.

Mar 13, 08 - 07:10 am Comment from: Fred Mertz

Reality Check,

Right, Nero. Fiddle away.

Where are the ATV hack that will allow the playing of other file types? When can I play files off of a USB thumb drive?

For now, I'm still investigating other media streaming/capture devices like the Neuros OSD or the building of a Myth TV.

Mar 13, 08 - 09:04 am Comment from: jtsnyc47

What else is wrong in the New York Times? lkashdfs;jlah;slkdjb

I just wet myself

The media was all over this revolutionary idea...anyone doing any homework at all could find out Apple TV and the iPhone was already doing it a year ago. The media has more power than the government...another example is their acting like Mike Huckabee didn't even exist, especially after the McCain/Romney childish bicker over words debate at the Reagan center. He is the only one who has never ever used a teleprompter. If you don't know what the fair tax is, then find out now or find out later...either way, you will find out.

One thing I do like about the NY Times is you don't have to hunt around for the editorial page - it's right on the front page.