“Adobe may rue the day it encouraged its product managers to run online blogs from its own site. It seems that the latest musing of product manager John Nack have unleashed a torrent of articles across the net from angry Mac users, annoyed that the company strategy seems inconsistent and worse still John Nack takes direct aim at abusing the very people who pay his salary, Adobe customers,” The Business News Source reports.
BNS reports, “In a final rallying call on his blog Nack makes the following vitriolic comments about the faithful customers (so called zealots) “Maybe I should, but as a die-hard Mac user I feel like someone has to speak a little truth to the Mac community–or rather, to that vocal little group of zealots and forum trolls. So here’s my message for those folks: You’re hurting the Mac platform. You’re hurting the Mac community. You need to crush a little aluminum foil against those antennae of yours, because you’re hurting everyone concerned. You’re making it harder (and less appealing) for people of goodwill to make the effort to support the Mac.”
“If attack were the best form of defense then certainly Nack has mastered this in one fell swoop. For any manager at such a highly visible and branded company as Adobe to be writing such stuff in a public forum is extraordinary to say the least,” BNS writes. “Our advise [sic] to senior management at Adobe is to ‘pull’ the blog and make sure that managers are made to tow the company line, leave PR to the PR specialists, such public ramblings from inexperienced managers surely can only do damage to the company image in the long run.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: We’d like to see a lot less talk and a lot more action from Adobe as we’re well past sick and tired of running Photoshop in Rosetta, thanks. Just how poorly is Photoshop coded, anyway? Adobe needs a serious attitude adjustment. There’s no excuse for making a large portion of your users – the very users of the platform that made your company, by the way – wait for so long to run your products natively.
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Why is it that people get all bent when someone speaks the truth.
Mac zealots DO hurt the platform. The arrogance they sometimes display and their vile attacks on people via email just polarizes people against their argument.
Somewhere the people listening to it say, wow, if this is what the Mac community is all about, then I’m not going to try it.
They stop listening.
sugar > vinegar
> “Our advise to senior management at Adobe >
Advice?
What a little turd. What’s really sad is this is probably Adobe’s position to Mac users
You’re all just plain retards. He is not lashing out, it’s his own view of what Mac users do. And with wankers like you guys “we’re sick and tired of running PS under Rosetta” YOU are making it worse.
Personally I think Nack is right on. While the Mac is a great and superior platform, it does not have to power to make it’s users great and superior. The ones that are jerks are jerks whether they’re on a Mac or a Windows PC.
Oh yeah, Adobe does need to get their act together and get their product updated. They had a year at least to work with a deveopers kit to get us a Intel native CS2.
Adobe innovates only when Apple lights a fire under its … Final Cut. iMovie…. GrarageBand…
Adobe expects Apple to innovate by making it easier for Adobe to write cross-platform lowest-common denominator apps… Wake-up and create something for Mac users… worry about the MS users when they clamor for it…
Apple announced the switch to Intel at MWSF 2005. Most assuredly Apple advised its key partners in advance of the public announcement. That means that Adobe (who is being supported by Apple supplied engineers) has had at least 22 months to rewrite for the Intel processor, and most likely has had 25 months (so far).
That its taken this long (and still is not ready) says a bunch about the documentation and spaghetti like nature of Adobe’s code.
It would appear that Apple’s switch to Intel did Adobe a favor. It provided an excellent opportunity to clean up their codebase.
@Gregg Thurman
One would hope, but I doubt it.
John Nack and macromancer are spot on.
We have a segment of Mac users who bring us all down. All the Mac users I know are cool, normal people but what’s represented on the internet is a loud, obnoxious, immature, fanboy image.
Some people need to tone it down and stop being so hypersensitive.
I meant about Adobe fixing their mess
killBill … worry about the MS users when they clamor for it…
I think you meant to say … worry about the MS users when they bleat for it…
“…I feel like someone has to speak a little truth to the Mac community–or rather, to that vocal little group of zealots and forum trolls.”
What part of “–or rather, to that vocal little group of zealots and forum trolls” don’t you understand?”
He isn’t commenting on the entire Mac community.
Well, I’m assuming the entire Mac community aren’t zealots and forum trolls.
And weren’t people just clamoring for more employee blogs? And now we see one “we” (the hive) don’t agree with, now we want it “rein him in” and “pull the blog”?
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“Adobe needs to provide a simple, consistent and clear strategy or message for the roll-out of its products and stick to it.”
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They haven’t in a decade, why start now?
I say let the asshloe speak his mind, for all we know it IS the Adobe company line!
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In reality, Adobe is sh|t. They are forever going to be pirated and eventually Apple will incorporate drawing, layers and pixel editing into their apps and Photoshop will be as moot as MacPaint.
But is it really lashing out at loyal Mac-using customers? He’s a Mac-loyal person. He’s lashing out at the Mac zealots. I have to say, the zealots are a little crazy.
It’s called Mac Fundamentalism!
according to Adobe watchers, they make 72% of their profits from PC users. In their position I would not lose any sleep over mac users. sure 28% more would be sweet but no at any cost – I think they know that if Apple can do it they wll compete on the Photoshop field as well
I completely agree with John Nack. The one thing that slowed down my switching was Mac zealots. They are annoying, insulting and often just asses. They remind me of Americans who renamed their french fried to “Freedom Fries.” I don’t know anyone who respects the in-your-face zealots who have no point to make and sound mostly sound like “La la la, I’m not listening to Windows users, La la la, I can’t hear reason, La la la Mac is better, la la la, why do we have to wait for so long to run your products natively. I want an Oompa Loompa. I want you to get me an Oompa Loompa right away.”
I have the same opinion as macromancer.
There are PLENTY of uber-mac-faithful that go way to far sometimes and shed a strong negative light on the rest of the mac community. I’ll honestly say that some of the ultra-biased MDN takes that you guys write sometimes are perfect examples of this. Sometimes you guys can pull random, highly exaggerated things out of the air against small comments that your highly exaggerating in the first place. It’s one thing to be knowledgable and helpful, another to be smug and pretentious. Who would want to join a community of the latter?
What I did not see in the blog was an good explanation of why, if Adobe is using/switching to Xcode, it was not possible to produce a PPC/intel product. Some detail might have quelled the revolt.
As an Italian friend of mine likes to say “I am agree”. Macromancer, Alex, Bruce, all get the point that it is the kind of little snots who clutter up this and other boards with blind defence of Apple, no matter what, that sometimes give Apple a bad name. Apple is a great brand that makes great products, but we dont have to piss on each and every person who might have a slightly different view of the world. Stay off Nack’s back. All he did was say what many of us feel.
Photoshop is the same basic product it has been for the last 15 years. Adobe is like Microsoft. Releasing minor upgrades to the same product, spending as little money as possible to maintain high levels of revenue with low costs.
Adobe, Microsoft, Autodesk, you can go on down the line. Large software companies making tons of money off old boring products.
If Apple, or anyone else for that matter, introduced an application with the features of Photoshop 1.0, bingo 90% of Mac users have no use for Photoshop. Especially if it used Photoshop plug-ins.
Gimp is there except for ease of install and using X11 being minor annoyances.
Zealots typically harm any cause the rant about. Nack was making a good point, however I do wish CS would run Universal now.
Adobe DOES risk a lot of bad PR by allowing management blogs. I wonder if they are vetted somehow with the PR department before posting.
Alex,
I see your point. However, you’re totally wrong about folks complaining about running CS in Rosetta.
Adobe has known about the switch to Intel LONG before the public did, and they STILL don’t have a Universal version of Photoshop. If it wasn’t for diehard Mac designers, photographers and retouchers, Adobe wouldn’t even BE here today.
Adobe can kiss my ass.
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MDN word of the day? “Hard.”
As in “”Suck on it, Adobe. Suck it long and suck it hard.”
La la lLa I’m not listening to “For Real”…
I have to say I’ve been a little less than happy with Adobe’s business style, several thousands of $/£’s later and I know I’ll be having to fork out yet more…
Serious greed is a built in feature of MS, it didn’t need to be for Adobe, but then I reckon they got the virus from Richmond.
I heard that the CS isn’t in Xcode because Xcode can’t handle its size. So it does make me angry at the people who complain about how long it’s taking when they don’t know what they are talking about.
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/03/macintosh_and_t.html