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Sounds good to me. Jan 2007 would be better though. For now, it is NeoOffice Beta for me.

Office for the Mac in the third quarter of 2007? If this estimate is anything like the promised coming of Vista, think second quarter of 2012. I won't get too excited just yet. Besides, Apple should have a more refined and integrated suite of apps to compete with Office. Right, Apple?

What does it mean to say an interface is "discoverable"?

Office 2007 for Mac will be compatible with Office 2007 for Windows. What about with other programs or even other versions of Office?

After all, MicroSoft is all about choice.

I am a die hard M$ Office fan. Like most things Apple, it just works. It also had great compatibility with the dark side. The price is sure offensive, but hey, I will always pay for quality.

I am glad to see that the Mac BU within M$ is adhering to the Apple way of doing things. But late 2007 is too long for my tastes.

Really happy to see their commitment to what Mac users expect and want.

I already abandoned my MS Office for Mac...NeoOffice = 500000x faster + free

Wow, Microsoft is actually impressing me with their Office 2007 interface changes:

Watch this video:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/asx/OfficeUIIntro.asx

All I care about is:
- In all apps group my fonts. I keep all 48 weights of Helvetica Neue open at all times. Most programs just group all the weights together. Except Office.
- Integrate all Apps with the MacOS X dictionary
- Update the fonts that ship with MacOffice to OpenType fonts
- Better HTML formatting within an Entourage message
- Let Entouage open/save PST files just as easily as Outlook without using the import hack
- Let Entourage support CalDAV
- Speed up rules processing in Entourage
- Eliminate the bug in Entourage that causes the mail cache to blow-up
- Make it easier to freeze header rows in Excel
- Make easier to insert carriage returns inside a Excel cell
- Am I the only one who thinks that Word 5.1 was better than the current Word?
- Is there anything that can be done in PowerPoint that I can't do better using the Adobe Creative Suite?
- I just hope M$ open sources the Access file format like they're doing with Word/XL/PP so I could open an unencrypted MDB with any better DB program.

> If we can innovate on top of that and do some interesting things

The only times I don't lauch when I hear the word "innovate" come from Microsoft is when it's from the MacBU. They do an outstanding job supporting the Mac platform from within Microsoft. I hope they get to keep their iPods at work, since it's not possible for them to get "zuned."

As Google gets closer to a full office suite...free.....online... Microsoft continues to tread water.

This is likely to be the next piece of the suite.

http://www.writely.com

I am using Office 2004 and it's 2006 almost 2007. Why does it take Microsoft 3 Years to update their product line? I have never understood that?

I'm just hoping Apple grows some marbles and makes iWork 07 a serious, commercial quality Office suite.

I, like most people, are done waiting for Microsoft only to find the quality sucks.

"What does it mean to say an interface is "discoverable"?"

It's one of the basic foundations of the Mac OS Interface. It's also partly why Apple insists on a one button mouse (or nowadays a two button mouse that the developers have to assume can also be used as a one button mouse).

Discoverabilty means that the use should be able to "play" with the interface to a fair degree and discover, just by using it, how stuff works. This means a very consistent user interface across applications, and not just throwing everything into the context menu system like Windows does.

When you first start using OS X you figure out how something works say in itunes, and you later open up MS word or some game and find things like menus and drag and drop and other things in the same places and working the sameway.
So when you install a new program, before you even open the box, you already have a fair amount of experience using elements of it.

That is Discoverability. Thats is what makes the Mac a Mac and everything.. well NOT.

It's aslo good that the MacBU isnt rushing Office '07 to market actually.
Redmond may be slow as molasses to bring packaged hell to the masses, but the MacBU is another fish entirely, and shouldnt be blamed for its parents sins. They have a solid reputation amongst the Mac community taking the parent company's offerings and then outclassing them. The fact the MacBu (last i heard) is just down the road from Apple HQ in cupertino says exactly which camp they are in.

I bet they don't get invited to the Company Christmas Party to the north. The fifth column rarely gets thats priviledge. They may be tied to mothers apron springs
but this little sibling of Microsoft is tainted with genes from the better side of the family. Keep up the good work MacBu (if it wasnt for you I bet MS wouldnt have any profits to report).

Is the Mac BU at Microsoft working full time on Mac products?

Anyone know how big it is?

I'd love to see a list of all their projects.

We have a phrase in the UK 'You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear'.

Office may have a gleaming new UI, but it's still the bug-ridde, beta-malware that is excreated out of Redmond!

Typical Microsoft. Its video fails to load when using Flip4Mac, and WMP doesn't recogize the URL. Why would anyone give those bastards a red cent? Can't you type a fucking word without Word?

I. HATE. THIS. COMPANY!

General M$ bashing aside, the killer concern with 'Office 2007 for Mac' is that Microsoft have dropped support for VBA.

This means that 'Office 2007 for Mac' is a neutered product that is of absolutely no use in a corporate environment, or to anyone who uses Excel for any semi-serious maths tasks. There will be no choice but to use Windows version, as VBA is essential to doing real work.

By removing VBA from Excel, Microsoft has made Mac version completely redundant.

re: General M$ bashing aside, the killer concern with 'Office 2007 for Mac' is that Microsoft have dropped support for VBA.

This means that 'Office 2007 for Mac' is a neutered product that is of absolutely no use in a corporate environment, or to anyone who uses Excel for any semi-serious maths tasks. There will be no choice but to use Windows version, as VBA is essential to doing real work.

By removing VBA from Excel, Microsoft has made Mac version completely redundant.

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So what youre saying is That M$ is trying to protect its windows monopoly in the corporate sector by disabling key components within the Mac version.

TBH this totally SUCKS and is Microsofts usual tactic of trying to kill competition.

I certainly wont be buying the new version of office for my design company (based in th 4th largest oil company in the world).

I will be looking at open office or the google office app for the future.

Microsoft’s next-gen Office suite for the Mac is being given a top-to-toe refit in readiness for its debut in the third quarter of 2007

Hey MDN! Don't threaten us like this.

Yea I know Apple is droping the ball when it comes to a great Office suite, patenting names like iCalc just to keep Microsoft on it's toes. Selling that crap of a Office suite with all it's security problems in Apple Stores themselves.

But everytime a Mac user has to bend over and take the OfficeMac prick up their ass we all die a little bit more everyday as a platform.

We really need a good iOffice suite, yea I know about "NeoOffice" goddam sons of a bitches demand a root level install on every Mac machine now. That's totally insane.

You see it all comes around to Trusted Computing, ok before you turn me off listen up. It's the security involved in TC that will bind a file even more to a program that created it.

So say a Office user makes a particular file "secure" and sends it to a Mac user to open. If the Mac user doesn't have OfficeMac, then they can't open the file.

It's not going to be like the old days where we can simply use a universal encryption and something like MacLinkPlus to switch the file to something AppleWorks or NeoOffice can open.

The TC "mark" ensures that the person who wrote the file is actually the person, right now we can simply make up a file and send it.

All other alternatives, even new and better software, will be crushed because they can't be compatible with standard software.

The noose is slowly tightening around computer users necks.

I'm not paranoid by default, I was born a trusting and caring human being.

It's the revelation that too many people are taking too much interest in my computer, my surfing habits, my personal information, my privacy and my respect and my deceny.

I have been a victim of identity theft, computer hackers, marketing con artists and Sony rootkits.

I have been a victim of insecure Microsoft software, Apple's lack of outgoing firewall software and lack of privacy issues.

I'm just a human being trying to exist in a hostile world and kept from being eaten by parasites.

I wouldn't be paranoid if there wasn't so many people out to get me.


In Safari? Select Activity in the Window menu right now and see the truth, your being tracked.

In a three way tie for first release, which slug will win: Universal Office:Mac 2007, universal Adobe Photoshop, or the perennial darkhorse favorite, MS Vista?

Place your bets. And relax, you have years to decide.

"Is the Mac BU at Microsoft working full time on Mac products?

That's easy. The next-gen MSN Messenger for OS X with Vista Aero gui goodness and a completely overhauled Minesweeper universal app. It's all about priorities people.

Oh no. Everytime Microsoft upgrades Office, they move around the menu commands and add more floating toolbars so that I no longer can find key tools that I often use. I will not be pre-disposed to purchase this "upgrade." As it is, I'm still on Office X, and lament the fact I wasn't able to stick with the previous version...

Also..."By removing VBA from Excel, Microsoft has made Mac version completely redundant..."

I think you may mean "irrelevant," not "redundant."

Nice to hear reports of Office getting updated to work on Intel Macs - pretty weird that TextEdit will open Office files, but not my old Appleworks files ... Is that an insane oversight or what? I now have hundreds of documents I can't open on my Intel Mac - Thanks for looking after me Steve.

This Ribbon stinks. I am a Office Expert (officially, MOS-Master), and it took me at least 5 minutes to find how to do a "Save As" on the Beta in Windows. I have never used Office for Windows, the first thing I did when I got my Mac, was drag the Office trial to the trash can. Maybe if I used a Mac as a work computer, I would install Office, but my little projects at home work great in Pages or NeoOffice or even AppleWorks.
I do admit I like VBA, it is at least something about Office that makes sense, and I really like Access (if it was available for Mac, then I would consider getting Office), they are logical, they do what I want to do, instead of M$ thinking for itself, and deciding what it thinks I want to do (or should do). this "ribbon from hell" will bring that to a new level, since the whole point of it is that it changes with whatever you are doing. That might work for a normal user, but not for power users who really delve deep to make it do what we want to do. That and AFAIK there is no more "tools/options." I am really thankful, that my company is always 2 years behind in upgrades, since I want nothing to do with Office 2007.

I know it's terribly basic, but I've come to love Pages. I have little problem sharing documents with all the Word/Windows folks I word with.

M$ Word has a gazillion features that 95% of people never use (or even know exist). I swear if Apple would beef-up Pages and come up with a simple spreadsheet program most people wouldn't be worrying about when the next Office for Mac suite comes out...

I hope they make a translucent Clippy for the Mac version. Let's see what he's made of.

Why is it people from Microsoft alsways speak about Mac users like we are lepers on an island?

For perspective on the MS MacBU take a look at this blog entry from an employee (filled with tons of pics). Yes, I know that blog was posted here on Macdailynews, but it was in April.
[url="http://davidweiss.blogspot.com/2006/04/tour-of-microsofts-mac-lab.html
"]Tour of MS MacBU[/url]

""What does it mean to say an interface is "discoverable"?"

It means that if you look hard enough, it's possible to discover the command you're looking for. Word has always been like that. You have to read the manual to find out where to find even the simplest things.