“A Verizon iPhone is coming but may not have the world roaming some users would want, Northeast Securities analyst Ashok Kumar claims today,” Electronista reports.
“After contacting Apple’s suppliers, the researcher believes Qualcomm has landed a deal to produce a CDMA iPhone but that it won’t be a dual-mode phone with both CDMA and GSM and consequently can’t leave North America with cellular service intact,” Electronista reports.
“Kumar asserts that Apple had originally asked for a dual chip but allegedly wasn’t happy with the results, instead opting for a more conventional design. It’s not said what triggered the purported disappointment, though dual-network phones have often had significant if sometimes artificial limitations in their frequency support,” Electronista reports.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: As we said earlier: “iPhone OS devices will be on carriers other than AT&T in the U.S. this year.”
So what if, out of spite, iPhone went to sprint and t-mobile but no verizon.
I need a GSM world phone and concurrent voice & data. No Verizon for me.
There’s a big potential market on Verizon, me included. Steve Jobs is a practical guy who ultimately wants to make the most money and expose his devices to the biggest markets.
I believe in cryptozoology before I start believing that the “iTablet” and a Verizon iPhone appearing anytime soon
Strange, why would Apple point out Verizon’s “no simultaneous voice and data” CDMA shortcoming if they are planning a iPhone/Verizon release this summer?
@ Islandgirl.
No Steve Jobs is not trying to make the most money. It is common knowledge that he is a perfectionist and wants Apple to make the most perfect products possible.
No way. Never. And since I have no hard info upon which to base such a bold statement, that pretty much puts me in the same company as any of these other bozo fortune-tellers.
As others have noted… Too many commercials showing web surfing while talking on the phone for them to ever release a phone without this capability!! I’m guessing an iSlate on Verizon… But not an iPhone.
Does this not sound just like all the predictions of the late 90s that Apple was doomed to failure and would be going out of business any … day … now? Predicting the iPhone will show up on Verizon’s holy network is in vogue, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
Also … we all know how Apple works. Do they really think Apple would make deals with suppliers that would allow random people to call up and ask “say, how many GSM/CDMA capable chips did you sell them for the mythic Verizon iPhone?” Cuz if you believe that, I’ve got a deal on a bridge in NYC that you can’t beat!
My take is Apple will sell unlock phones but the subsidized ones will be available at ATT.
VZ nah no way.
I said before iphe was coming CDMA also because AT&T;adquire centenial that has CDMA. AT&T;wants it’s centennial customers to have iPhones until I can change all of centenial network
What Chu talkin’ bout?
Why wouldn’t this be a good idea? It sells more iPhones…a lot more in fact. Bottom line.
“Why wouldn’t this be a good idea? It sells more iPhones…a lot more in fact. Bottom line.”
I’m glad this wasn’t the attitude in 1984
I’m sure ATnT will be more than happy to allow Apple to break their exclusive 5-year contract so that Verison can have the iPhone on their network in the US.
Riiiiiiiiight.
The contract ends in 2012. Verizon ain’t gettin’ the iPhone any sooner. iCal that, MDN.
“The contract ends in 2012. “
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No one other than Apple and ATnT really know when the exclusive contract ends so how do you?? Got a link??
@montex What exclusive 5-year contract? There has never been an announcement or confirmation of such by Apple or ATT. In fact, the contract was reportedly “renewed” last year for a year… into 2010.
http://www.businessinsider.com/att-trying-to-extend-iphone-exclusive-until-2011-2009-4
I’m still highly skeptical regarding the rumors of a Verizon iPhone. It just doesn’t seem to fit with anything that Apple or Verizon have done in the past year or more. Why would Verizon run a class-leading product (the iPhone) down if they planned on hosting a version of it within the next six to twelve months? Besides, Verizon has never shown any inclination that they truly believe that they screwed up by passing on the iPhone the first time around, or that they are willing to make anything close to the major concessions that AT&T made to get the iPhone. Verizon apparently wants to maintain their stranglehold on handset functionality and the marketing of apps, ringtones, etc.
It is possible, however, that Verizon might host a different Apple product (such as a tablet computer with a 3G data link) that falls outside of any AT&T exclusivity agreement. I am not saying that it is likely, but it is certainly possible. A tablet computer, for instance, would essentially be an enlarged iPod touch with a few things added – 3G data I/O, GPS, magnetometer, possibly a mini displayport. I would actually like to see those things added to the iPod touch, as well.
The iphone might not be on Verizon but the iSlate may be.
If 4% of AT&T;customers are on iPhones, and those 4% use 40% of AT&T;’s data. I can’t wait for this “super system” of verizon’s to bog down with the rush of iPhone users they will get. Who knows, if they both get them it may jam the whole darn system and nobody’s will work. Verizon turned the iPhone down once, and with that AT&T;probably didn’t think they would go over. Verizon knows how popular it is now and nothing but total success will be tolerated anything else will be a failure on their part.
If Apple comes to Verizon it will be a dual mode CDMA/GSM device. The radio is supposed to be invisible to the user. If it’s not, Apple has inventory complexity for no good reason. Apple is not a mobile phone company and the iPhone is not a mobile phone. It happens to be able to make phone calls. Apple is not about to set itself up to get whipped around by the carriers because of desperation to sell more units. It sells units because customers want them.
OBTW, a dual mode CDMA/GSM device will work with all carriers, at least the ones Apple deems worthy. I’m hoping for Sprint. They’ve shown a few glimmers of getting it.
Apple will not make a CDMA phone.
Now the Islate/pad/tablet, I can see these being ‘unlocked for all carriers. That’s where apple will probably have the GSM/CDMA radio. I bet all the major one ATT&T;Verizon, T-mobile sprint, All have will glady sell any of their existing Customers a ‘data plan’ to accommodate the times you are a way from Wifi. You may pay a hefty sum, but it will be an adjunct to your existing contract.
The fact that the Islate thingy will be larger it wi will be easier to design a dual chip around that and more space for internal attenna
AlanAudio
No Steve Jobs is not trying to make the most money. It is common knowledge that he is a perfectionist and wants Apple to make the most perfect products possible.
Why couldn’t he do both? Produce a perfect product that makes lots of money with lots of new customers?
I wish they would just come out with the dang CDMA iPhone so all of these stupid rumors would go away. Over and over……. Geez
The likelihood of 2 iPhones- One crippled by Verizon’s pitiful network that can’t even make use of simultaneous data and voice is nil.
Can you imagine the outrage Apple would be facing? Legions of fifty year old’s whining their Verizon iPhones can’t do the basic things their kids do on AT & T is NOT happening.
The new channel cards being built for verizon, to test, do two things. They allow simultaneous connections (SVDO) and they quadruple the amount of connections. If they like them, all they need to do is swap out the cards at the towers, no other change needed. Also, verizon has less towers to do even though they have nore ‘map’ coverage (CDMA travels further 2x+ and they have been on better frequencies). I see CDMA sticking around for a bare minimum of 5 years and would not be surprised by 10. Think about it, you have a good voice network, you can quadruple throughput for 1000 dollars a card and the LTE voice spec keeps changing (release 8 right now I think). Keep the CDMA for voice and start adding LTE for data. It would be stupid to push for an all LTE phone anytime soon (soon being in the next 3 years).
The one thing I don’t understand is why people with, or without an iphone, get so mad that it might show up on verizon. If the rumors are true, then yes, they were offered the phone first and turned it down. But so what, it’s just business.
Uhhh… Gee, Fat Bastard, maybe I meant this 5-year exclusive contract:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/22/apple-iphone-on-atandt-for-five-years/
>The one thing I don’t understand is why people with, or without an iphone, get so mad that it might show up on verizon. If the rumors are true, then yes, they were offered the phone first and turned it down. But so what, it’s just business.<
That has nothing to do with the mass hysteria that has gripped the world. I could give a damn whether it shows up on Verizon or not, frankly. It’s that Joe Blow on the street is going to look at me, and I’ve been following Apple DAILY since 1998 because that’s what I’m paid to do, and tell me that no matter what I may say there WILL be a Verizon iPhone that gets on my nerves. I should start an Apple Predictions Fail blog.
And montex… just WHERE are their sources? Where? All they say “USA Today says”, yet fail to link to that article or indicate who their sources were. And explain to us why the Apple/ATT deal is widely reported to expire NEXT year and ATT hopes to RENEW it again? Your silence on this is deafening.
http://www.businessinsider.com/att-trying-to-extend-iphone-exclusive-until-2011-2009-4
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123973238611017715.html#mod=testMod
White Castle wants their Kumar back.
As for Verizon, they are the least consumer-friendly company around. I don’t care how widespread their network is, since that advantage will disappear as soon as they go 4G. Apple should continue to punish them, and their customers should stop hoping and praying the iPhone comes to Verizon. Their customers are the financial enablers of Verizon’s consumer unfriendly practices.
disappear how? They will not turn off cdma as they turn on LTE. LTE voice will be way behind data. They will use both for a long while.
Like cell areas are good and bad, so is customer service. I’ve had no problems with verizon customer service (and some may not). But I’m not going to ditch verizon, that works, and wait for ATT to get county approval for a tower and then build it. That’s just not right.
No Phone coming – but maybe a tablet to Verizon..
Uhhh… Gee, Fat Bastard, maybe I meant this 5-year exclusive contract:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/22/apple-iphone-on-atandt-for-five-years/
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@Montex, That engadget link proves nothing other than the fact that no one other than Apple and ATnT know the specifics of their exclusive agreement.. That’s why the USA Today headline ends in a “?”
Yes, It’s been said by some its a 2 year agreement, that’s already been extended. Other’s have said its a year by year agreement, others have said it’s a five year agreement.. The fact is, no one knows for sure because the details have never been released.
@Fat Bastard
We’ll see. I’ve read plenty in the past 2 1/2 years about the 5-year contract. And I’m not inclined to spend more than 30 seconds on a google search to prove the contract exists. Listening to you, the whole idea was completely fabricated by myself. But if I’m wrong, you are more than welcome to re-post my statements the day Verizon carries the iPhone. I don’t believe it’s going to happen.
And given Verizon’s current slapstick attacks on the iPhone, I don’t believe Apple is going to kiss up to them any time soon. You may have heard that Steve Jobs does not like to be jerked around. Seen Michael Eisner lately? Yeah, thought so. I wouldn’t get on Steve’s bad side and by calling his most prized product a “misfit toy”. That isn’t going to endear yourself to him.
Verizon ain’t gettin’ the iPhone.
Myopic thinking runs amok once again.
It’s always the same people too. There are a four of camps;
The haters who believe Apple should never do business with those who would disrespect Apple.
The myopic who can’t imagine Apple building something other than a GSM phone, at any cost and overlook the niggling facts that get in the way of their position.
Those who take a wait and see approach but continue to ask, why not?
Those who have a long historical and contextual relationship with Apple and practice Forward Thinking* in order to imagine what alludes the other camps.
* Forward thinking consists of using:
A — all 6 sensory experiences (vision, hearing, touch, taste, smell, the mechanical internet with pre stored data plus the life internet with life input data combined), +
B —fuzzy logic and/or abductive reasoning +
C —backward chaining, +
D —inductive reasoning, +
E —deductive reasoning, to predict future events. Artificial intelligence researchers refer to it as forward chaining.
A + B + C + D + E = Forward Thinking
Something eludes me…can’t quite figure out to what you are alluding.
Yup, guilty of using the wrong word.
@montex
“Verizon ain’t gettin’ the iPhone.”
iCal’d.
It would seem the contract is your hang-up. Would the exclusive contract for iPhone include one made specifically for Verizon’s networks?
If AT&T is failing to honor their end of the bargain, might that give Apple leverage or wiggle room.
I don’t doubt AT&T’s contract is iron clad but so is Apples and it may have been agreed to provide phones for five-years, but the exclusivity deal could have easily contained a clause contingent on AT&T’s ability to deliver everything Apple required.
Failing to deliver tethering was critical and embarrassing for Apple.
Contract notwithstanding you talk like Apple should withhold the iPhone from Verizon as some form of punishment.
Apple doesn’t think like that. Have you ever heard one derogatory word from Apple or Jobs since Jobs raised the notion that Dell was a target?
In light of the dramatic change of fortunes between these two, you don’t see Jobs taking cheap shots at Dell.
Say what you want but Apple is above this whole notion of revenge and reciprocity.
When Moto couldn’t deliver the kind of phone experience he envisioned for iTunes or other ideas he may have had about a phone, he didn’t stop doing business with Moto, he made his own phone!
That’s how Jobs punishes an industry stagnating with tired memes. It’s not personal, it’s business.
Typing on MDNs mobile interface Sucks!