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Analyst: Apple’s new Mac mini ‘a good first step into the living room’
Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 07:08 PM EST

"Apple Computer on Tuesday introduced... a revamped Mac mini aimed at making the pint-sized computer an easy addition to living room entertainment centers," Jefferson Graham reports for USA Today. "The updated Mac mini units sell for $599 (up from $499) and $799 (formerly $599.) They now have Intel processing chips, which make the computers from 2 to 4 times much faster, Jobs said. The mini was introduced with great fanfare in January 2005 as a low-cost way for Windows PC users to switch to the Apple platform. Apple, which has a whopping 78% share of the digital music device market, has just a 4% to 5% share of the total PC market."

"Apple won't say how many Mac minis it has sold. Shawn Wu, an analyst with American Technology Research, estimates sales at 1 to 2 million units — 'just okay,' he says. He says the new Intel chips add power, a problem for the first Mac minis. The revamped machines will have greater appeal to consumers, he says, especially with the remote control feature. 'Apple wants to run the living room,' he adds. 'Apple is better positioned there than any of its competitors, but the new mini is missing one important element—there's no PVR (TiVo like personal video recorder) or TV tuner. It's not the complete solution,'" Graham reports.

"Microsoft works with Hewlett-Packard, Dell and other computer manufacturers on "entertainment PCs," which do everything the mini promises, plus record TV shows on some models. However, they sell for over $1,000," Graham reports. "Van Baker, an analyst with researcher Gartner, says the Microsoft units haven't caught on with the public because the computers are too large for the living room. The majority of the entertainment PCs, he says, were sold without PVRs. 'The mini is small enough that people will consider adding it to their living room consoles,' Baker says. 'The transition of bringing the computer into the living room won't happen overnight, but this is a good first step.'"

"Apple vice president Phil Schiller says the company chose not to add PVR functionality to the mini because it would have made the unit too complicated. 'We're not trying to replace the TiVo,' he says. 'This is about taking the media from your computer and accessing it via the TV.' To run media from other computers using the Mac mini, other PCs have to store music, videos and TV shows in Apple's iTunes software. If users listen to music in, say, Musicmatch or Real Player, the Mac mini won't be able to find the songs," Graham reports.

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Feb 28, 06 - 07:18 pm Comment from: andy

cause if they had a dvr then the TV producers would pull their stuff from itunes i bet, anyway its only 70 quid / dollar add-on, my alchemy tv works a treat on my G5 dual with front row!

Feb 28, 06 - 07:20 pm Comment from: andy

am i the only one thats noticed the restriction in using front row and ipod with tv show genre - restricted for itunes payed for shows! - sorry just thought id add that

Feb 28, 06 - 07:21 pm Comment from: Loooong wait for ShortHorn

Way to go, Apple.



Somehow I wish the mini is also powerful to play games.

Feb 28, 06 - 07:21 pm Comment from: andy

as columbo would say "just one more thing" TV downloads in UK pplleeeaasseeeee

Feb 28, 06 - 07:30 pm Comment from: botox

I was hoping Apple would be able to keep the price the same or even lower by using Intel chips. I guess not.

Feb 28, 06 - 07:34 pm Comment from: Jaakko

I bet that it takes only about two weeks for someone to come up with a TV tuner/PVR which matches the size and look of the Mac mini like it did with the external HDs...

Feb 28, 06 - 07:45 pm Comment from: MacDude

The new Mac Mini is not really designed as a "Home TV" content delivery system.

The entire US market is switching from analog to digital with HDCP as we speak.

For that it needs a HDCP controlled HDMI or DVI (Y-Pb-Pr) and a really really fast internet connection to stream full resolution HD.

I think the cable companies would b*tch a fit since they make mega-bucks delivering content.

Also some sort of DRM is required to the monitor so the HDCP cleaned video is not swiped on the video cards ports.

These Mini's are like before, just outputing to a DVI computer monitor.

Read on for more info

http://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_4.asp

Feb 28, 06 - 07:50 pm Comment from: dub

Integrated Graphics cards make me cringe, no matter who's making it.

Feb 28, 06 - 07:50 pm Comment from: Mac4lfe

Botox

Considering that you are getting Front Row with remote control etc, It's not so bad for the extra $100. I never thought I would but I'm going to get one. I already have a iBook which I use mostly. Front Row on a portable dont really make sense to me but on the Mini it's perfect.

Just tonight I recommended this new Mini to a PC friend who was looking for a new video, pictures, music and general computing use computer and the Mini with iLife fit perfectly for this. I was proud to recommend it to him.

Feb 28, 06 - 07:55 pm Comment from: $$$$

botox, they did keep the price on the bottom Mini the same feature for feature. The Mini G4 was $499 but WiFi & Bluetooth cost and extra $99. The new Mini is $599 with Wifi & Bluetooth plus faster ethernet (1000Mb).

Feb 28, 06 - 08:02 pm Comment from: nineboy

anyway its only 70 quid / dollar add-on, my alchemy tv works a treat on my G5 dual with front row!


we all know how good tivo stuff works on a tower
but how do you propose to get it inside the mini?

Feb 28, 06 - 08:03 pm Comment from: the other steve jobs

not even he high end unit is useful for a set-top box if you've got an HD screen.

For 1280x720 (720p) video at 24-30 frames per second:
QuickTime 7 for Mac OS X:

* 1.8 GHz PowerMac G5 or faster Macintosh computer; 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo or faster
* At least 256MB of RAM
* 64 MB or greater video card

QuickTime 7 for Windows:

* 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 or faster processor
* At least 512MB of RAM
* 64MB or greater video card
* Windows 2000 or XP


For 1920x1080 (1080p) video at 24 frames per second:
QuickTime 7 for Mac OS X:

* Dual 2.0 GHz PowerMac G5 or faster Macintosh computer; 2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo or faster
* At least 512MB of RAM
* 128MB or greater video card

QuickTime 7 for Windows:

* 3.0 Ghz Intel Pentium D (dual-core) or faster processor
* At least 1GB of RAM
* 64MB or greater video card
* Windows 2000 or XP

nuts to it, then.

Feb 28, 06 - 08:04 pm Comment from: MacDude

Almost right, seems the chip used has certain capabilities, wonder if it's enabled on the DVI port?

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/

Feb 28, 06 - 08:09 pm Comment from: MacDude

Yea really, to record HDTV at a good frame rate you need a PowerMac DP and a decent video card.

Feb 28, 06 - 08:11 pm Comment from: Mac ed

"Sharing photos requires iPhoto (i.e. a Mac). Sharing music and videos requires iTunes 6.0.4 or later"..... '6.0.4' ummmm.... UPDATE SOON?

Feb 28, 06 - 08:16 pm Comment from: Mike

"Apple vice president Phil Schiller says the company chose not to add PVR functionality to the mini because it would have made the unit too complicated."

What he really meant was... We chose not to add PVR functionality to the mini because it would have pissed off all of our content partners who agreed to sell their tv shows through our iTMS...

Feb 28, 06 - 08:44 pm Comment from: _

Analysts,Analysts,Analysts,Analysts

Feb 28, 06 - 09:00 pm Comment from: The Offical Apple Product Development Team

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

Feb 28, 06 - 09:02 pm Comment from: Ralph

As far as connecting to an HD monitor, the Intel graphics will support it.

If we're talking about H.264 decoding, that's much more processor intensive and the new Mini may not support more than 480p.

My eMac has a 32MB graphics card yet plays 480p movie trailers no problem.

Apparently the Intel graphics supports decoding MPEG-2 Hi-Def (which Sony says it prefers to use for Blu-Ray), which is less processor intensive as far as decoding is concerned.

Is Sony dropping support for Apple's H.264?

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/about/index.html

That's my take, I could be wrong.

Feb 28, 06 - 09:46 pm Comment from: Jooop

To run media from other computers using the Mac mini, other PCs have to store music, videos and TV shows in Apple's iTunes software. If users listen to music in, say, Musicmatch or Real Player, the Mac mini won't be able to find the songs," Graham reports.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If the files are in a shared folder on the network, it doesn't matter if that server is running Windows, Mac or Linux and it most certainly doesn't matter what program you use to open them, whether it's QuickTime, MPlayer, VLC, iTunes, Windows Media Player, or whatever the fuck you want. What a fucking moron.

Feb 28, 06 - 09:55 pm Comment from: Less is More

If my kids can't play CoD or record a late night soccer match on this then I'll pass. It's too simple for me -- I'm willing to pay for more in a living room form factor box and spec' it up.

MW: "make" it.

Feb 28, 06 - 10:10 pm Comment from: Apple's not taking over the living room

It's just a really nice extra and I'm glad the Mini has it. No need to make conspiracies out of everything.

MS Media Center is a flop. Why would Apple want to go there? Not until it's time to really do a great job of the whole thing, start to finish. Which might be never.

"f we're talking about H.264 decoding, that's much more processor intensive and the new Mini may not support more than 480p."

"my not?" Let's get REAL facts before judging.

Feb 28, 06 - 10:13 pm Comment from: zupchuck

MacDude,

You are most incorrect about graphics card capability in recording HD (1080p) content from a STB. A 900MHz G4 iBook can do it just fine.

Playback? That's a different issue entirely.

Feb 28, 06 - 10:14 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

I am a massive Apple fan. Love the products and quality but today seemed over-hyped in the media and was somehwat underwhelming. The HiFi, well, you can get the Bose for cheaper - mind you no dock but it looks better.

As for the Mac Mini, well, I realize why they aren't developing a PVR device at this point....but that really doesn't help the Mac Mini, especially with raising the price ($200 US on the high-end version). IMHO, I think this is going to be a possible error in Apple's pricing. The DVR would have made it a no-brainer however.

So here is the problem:

Mac Mini $800
Monitor $250
Keyboard/Mighty Mouse $78
Upgrade HD 120GB 5200rpm $125
Total $1253 (not including $150 for iSight)

iMac 17" $1299
Has faster processor, 160GB 3.5" 7200rpm drive, faster (and not integrated) graphics card, Built-in iSight cam

This seems to be an easy decision. So you get a downgraded computer for the same price (or more if you add a cam) and are primarily paying for the form factor. Too bad considering that before at $599 it made perfect sense.

While I love all things Apple, am I the only one disappointed today?

Feb 28, 06 - 10:18 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

Sorry for the typos! And I meant the Bose doesn't have the remote.

As well, Apple hired the head of EyeTV last year so the PVR seemed a no brainer. However, for their 30th birthday I am wondering if they are working on an external box that will add PVR functionality to any Mac.

If not, I would expect EyeTV to come up with a harddrive/pvr/tv tuner in a mac mini form factor. This would be huge if the price was under $300 but I am not holding my breath!

Feb 28, 06 - 10:21 pm Comment from: H.264 CPU Requirement Facts

H.264 system requirements:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/recommendations.html

Feb 28, 06 - 10:23 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

Elgato EyeTV 500 $349
http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv500

Feb 28, 06 - 10:40 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

OK Apple Team, this was freakin' hilarious!!!!
http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

Feb 28, 06 - 11:21 pm Comment from: R

Yeah, but can it beat my flux capacitor?

Feb 28, 06 - 11:56 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

Sorry for the numerous posts. After doing a bunch of research, it seems that Apple would have to have deals with all cable companies in north america for their system to work. Worse than the record labels.

I did find out that some free apps along with a Cable company's box that has firewire would give any Mac recording capabilities in MPEG2 format. I am surprised if it is that simple, why Apple has not created their own app to make this work better....or why someone else hasn't created something with a much simpler gui. I suspect its because you need to record by channel and not by the cable menu...for example - you would have to schedule via some apple scripts in ical the time and channel to record. No dual tuner. And not an intuitive, easy way to use a PVR. I have hear talk of a CableCard or something like that for the PC world but not sure if Apple would ever entertain that.

It would be nice if iTunes could stream TV over the net like it does Internet Radio.

Mar 01, 06 - 12:10 am Comment from: Jeff

Am I the only one who thinks that Front Row is complete crap. Leave it to Apple to cripple some software that could absolutely rock. But instead, Apple makes it only work with videos that you purchase from iTunes. Sorry Apple. I got suckered into your DRM music. I won't get fooled a second time. Say no to DRM videos.

Guess we'll have to wait for a good open source app that lets me watch my DVD's that I've ripped, or my home movies. I worry that Apple is getting way to tight with the media companies at our expense.

Mar 01, 06 - 12:20 am Comment from: mark

Jeff, did you try it and find that that's that really true?

I could swear that you can bring home or non-DRMed videos (let's say from iMovie) into iTunes (the application). In the same way that you can bring any MP3 or AAC file into iTunes. And once in iTunes, Front Row can use Bonjour to get it on a TV.

Mar 01, 06 - 12:22 am Comment from: Jeff

Mark, Yeah I spoke to soon. I just imported a video I shot and it works from within iTunes. Now it means I would have to import all my videos and have them stored who knows where inside of iTunes.

Mar 01, 06 - 12:56 am Comment from: spoke to soon

yes, definitely, you spoke too soon: frontrow looks onto your sequence folder to find movies... Simply put aliases of any movies folder you might own located on any disk on your computer. Thay's it, it just works.

It even works on my lowly dual G4 867 too.

Mar 01, 06 - 01:39 am Comment from: Neil

Fact is that the mini is still evolving. I thought it was interesting that Jobs mentioned that you could hook up the mini to a TV and also demonstrated streaming video from another computer. A few more steps and the mini will stream video from the net.

As for the DVR function, one has to realize that a large HD is required for recording video even at regular TV resolution. Recording HDTV uses a lot of disc space. For Apple to provide that functionality, it would need at least a 250 GB drive. When component cost is at a premium in low cost units that would be a problem.

Mar 01, 06 - 02:09 am Comment from: drz

Maybe Apple is planning a home "server" that will do all the heavy duty work for video recording, etc. which can then be streamed it to each desktop or Mini on the home network, with Front Row as the interface.

Just a thought.

Mar 01, 06 - 07:02 am Comment from: M.X.N.T.4.1

Daniel-san, I agree about the cost but personally I would only recommend a mini to people who have the other components already. I bought one for my family and used my old Dell 19" monitor, wired apple keyboard which I had spare and old MS intellimouse. Far cheaper and less wasteful than paying for an iMac - especially as they use it for email, web etc.

Mar 01, 06 - 08:30 am Comment from: Mike Buonarroti

While I, too, am very underwhelmed by this announcement, I can't help but feel that this is merely the pre-show preparation for a major announcement on April 1st, Apple's 30th anniversary.

Mar 01, 06 - 08:55 am Comment from: jay

Daniel-san:
The only thing left out of the "product cycle" was the part where some idiot breathlessly announces he's gotten Windoze XP to run on it.

Mar 01, 06 - 09:05 am Comment from: bjh

This is clearly a trial run to prepare for the iTunes Video store. Not much point in selling movies if you can only watch them on your iPod or computer - the market will be *much* bigger if you can watch them on your TV. So, Apple introduces the Mac Mini with updated FrontRow and iTunes so that you can stream TV shows to your TV.

Once they're happy with the streaming technology, the video store will come. Watch this space.

Mar 01, 06 - 09:08 am Comment from: PC Apologist

I might be missing something.. how exactly does this qualify as a "step into the living room," but the previous mini didn't? They have almost identical capabilities, except for the price bump.

Adding another remote to the coffee table, no matter how small, is not a goal. If it were to replace another one, that would be another story.

Mar 01, 06 - 09:29 am Comment from: Jeff

drz, I've been saying that Apple needs an Xserve RAID for the home for a while. But I don't think they'll do it. I think down the road, we'll be purchasing HD content but never actually keeping it ourselves. I think Apple use some sort of technology like on demand, but where you actually own the movie and can view it anytime you wish. A 2 hour HD movie would take a VERY, VERY long time to download so I think Apple will find a way to allow you to order the movie and be able to start watching it within say about 30 seconds after ordering it. I believe they've been working on caching technology. And now that they've bought a large Data Center in NJ, I think they are going to be putting a lot of servers in there.

Mar 01, 06 - 09:31 am Comment from: bjh

PC Apologist : digital audio out...

Mar 01, 06 - 11:15 am Comment from: Daniel-san

I agree with all of you. I think I was just excited to buy a Mac Mini PVR for $600. I hate waiting. I do agree completely that something is up for the 30th anniversary next month....well...then again, nothing might be up.

I think that a number of things are around the corner:

1) true Video iPod with touch screen. Seeing as MS is trying to hype the Origami (or was that boar anchor?) it will be interesting to see if Apple upstages them with the touch screen iPod. I wonder as well, if instead, Apple is planning an ultrasmall iLife notebook....something with a 7" touch screen that has a mini-version of Mac OS X. Or maybe a full version. Remember that the move to Intel was for more than its main stream processors. I believe it is mostly for their mobile processors (and I'm not talking about the laptop ones). This would allow more functionality on the iPod, and a sub-ultra notebook with wifi, bluetooth, etc.. Now that little puppy would be an announcement worthy of their 30th anniversary.

Upon further reflection, I am firmly convinced that Apple can add a DVR at anytime but is choosing not to add it at this time because it would canabalize efforts to get TV/Movie enterprises to offer content on iTunes.

Remember that ever since firewire was available on both Macs and Cable boxes (due to an FCC ruling) Macs have been able to record TV. Why hasn't this been pushed/advertised/developed? Simple, as long as iTunes remains hot and Macs don't threatern studios by allowing overt PVR, Apple has an easier time getting content. What happens when all major studios are in place? Apple adds PVR and Mac Mini sales go through the roof.

The other problem is converting HD TV to the new codec as the cable box/mac combo record on MPEG2 which means 11GB per minute MINIMUM drive space per minute of HD. Obvious some encoding is needed to make this more palatable. As well, to play HD requires fast processors and takes up almost all CPU resources.

I would expect iTunes full length movies/streamed from Apple, the touch screen iPod, PVR, widescreen MacBook, and other media-related stuff but Jobs has a pretty good grasp of timing so I am not holding my breath anymore. Coming out with the Mac Mini without PVR means that at the earliest, PVR wouldn't be available until the next Mac Mini revision which would place it around September/October. Maybe Apple should come out with a stand-alone PVR box that records and can send/receive iTunes/Front Row media to/from any Mac or act as a wireless attachment to the TV that allows a user to use any Mac in the house on the TV screen - wirelessly. Just think, you wouldn't have to leave your chair to use your iMac that is located in your upstairs rec room...or you could access and watch media content from it. I had originally thought the Mac Mini was going to become this piece of tech.

Maybe my bitterness comes from buying an iPod mini 45 days before the Nano came out! Haha!

Mar 01, 06 - 11:56 am Comment from: bradychase

Daniel-San I bought a high end minimac about a month ago. I investigated upgrading my old Replay TV 20 gig DVR. I investigated purchasing a new or even slightly used unit on ebay because I had upgraded my TV the an HDTV capable unit 32". Suffice it to say I the minimac with wireless and super drive. A Belkin blue tooth wireless key board and mouse a Newer technology 325 gig hard drive and a refurbushed elgato eye TV 500 .
1. I can have up to 2 HD windows open at once and there is no frame skipping in either window.
2.I have more than enough headroom in the hard drive department even without the external drive because an hour of HD programming consumes a maximum of 8 gigs on the local hard drive.
3. Eye TV uses a free listing service and they cover cable and sattelite as well I believe.
4. The Eye TV software allows you to archive stored programs on DVD RAM.
Cost to put this together?
Samsung 32" LCD 3000:1 dynamic contrast ratio used as monitor for minimac $1500 including tax.
MiniMac $750 as outfitted.
Refurbished Eye TV 500 $315 including shipping.
NT Hard drive 325 gig matching minimac form factor...$289 including shipping.
HDTV ASTC outdoor antenna and support hardware $120.
This entire system cost me less than $3000.
I have no monthly programming fees or extra fees from the like of TIVO.

Price any medium to high end flat screen based system and I dare you to come even close to what I paid. My system is more than state of the are and should be good for another 5 years. Now I have to go unload a bunch of my old stuff on ebay.

Mar 01, 06 - 01:02 pm Comment from: Daniel-san

Nice! Now that's encouraging! Still, if Apple comes out with the mini that includes PVR....wow. Tell me, that would kill the market and increase sales immensely!!!

Mar 01, 06 - 02:27 pm Comment from: bradychase

Technically they already have...the latest version of the eve tv software allows formatting and transfer of recorded programs to video capable ipods thru itunes. Why put all you R& D into that effort if all you need to do is produce a few hooks to use someone's better mouse trap? I currently have the entire Battle Star Galactica 4 hour mini-series and 2 whole seasons at 55 mins an episode 13 episodes a season on my 60 gig 5G ipod. With all my music about 600 songs worth and a few music videos and film shorts I have consumed about 5.1 gigs on my ipod.

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