“Al Gore is waging a fierce campaign for recognition and an Oscar statuette for his global warning documentary, while reviving talk that he’s pursuing a bigger prize: the presidency,” Beth Fouhy reports for Forbes.
“This Saturday Gore is hosting a network of 1,600 house parties across the country to watch and discuss his documentary, ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ with the Democrat planning to address the gatherings by satellite hookup. The movie is on the short list of feature-length documentaries being considered for Oscar nominations,” Fouhy reports. “The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences announce the Oscar nominations Jan. 23, with the 79th Oscars slated for Feb. 25.”
“‘I am not planning to run for president again,’ Gore said last week, arguing that his focus is raising public awareness about global warming and its dire effects. Then, he added: ‘I haven’t completely ruled it out,'” Fouhy reports. “Those words make Gore the 800-pound non-candidate of the Democratic field.”
Full article here.
Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth,” the highest-grossing documentary of the year, features copious use of Apple’s Keynote presentation software, even while many reviewers of the film incorrectly describe it as a “PowerPoint” presentation.
Apple’s Keynote use in “An Inconvenient Truth” here: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/articles/2006/05/inconvenienttruth/
Related articles:
Apple’s Keynote frees presentations from ‘Death By PowerPoint’ fate – November 15, 2006
Grab the room’s attention by using Apple’s Keynote and dumping Microsoft’s PowerPoint – April 12, 2006
Apple’s Keynote makes better-looking presentations than Microsoft’s PowerPoint – December 06, 2004
Clean elegant Keynote: ‘the anti-PowerPoint’ – March 10, 2003
Keynote cleaner and better organized than PowerPoint – February 18, 2003
Bill Gates on Apple’s ‘Keynote’ app: ‘I doubt what they’ve done is as rich as PowerPoint’ – January 09, 2003
“Those words make Gore the 800-pound non-candidate of the Democratic field.”
That’s right — non-candidate.
Talking about the enviroment
i´m very shocked about the fact that my favorite brand apple
is not as green as it should be.
steve and co go check out the C2C concept and start rocking the Cradle.
Let the fun begin!
Board member Al Gore.
How embarrassing.
Imagine what life would be like now if Gore’s election to the presidency had not been subverted. Large and growing national fiscal surplus, strong economy, PEACE, international support, a million Iraqis still alive, and on and on. Good thing it didn’t happen.
This is a pretty sorry excuse for a Mac Daily News article though. Do we have to read about everybody who uses Keynote? There are MILLIONS of us.
President George the Chimp (TM).
How embarrassing.
what – no gore bashing from mdn? i’m shocked!
You’re forgetting:
a country overrun with illegals
loss of national identity
complete loss of family values
no security from future terrorist attacks
unemployment rate over 10%
Crap documentary based on flawed science plus facts discredited by real experts in most disciplines.
Not a candidate ? A wannabe president who should be at home doing to his wife what he’s doing to academic respectability
Chimp, or Missing Link – who knows??
macca-
No need. (Unless, perhaps YOU are MDN trolling for hits?)
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No, any moment now, we’ll see the right-wing geniuses start with the crap-
“…commies…libs… terrorists… scary…creepy….”
-then, some dipshit will actually refer to Rush LimpBalls (TM), even though he, for the majority of his “career”, has been WASTED!
“…Here is what the record to date shows: Mr. Limbaugh’s housekeeper, Wilma Cline, approached Florida media and Florida authorities to reveal that she had acted as Rush Limbaugh’s drug buyer for years, purchasing “more than 30,000 hydrocodone, Lorcet and OcyContin pills,” and she reports he “took as many as 30 OxyContin pills a day.”**** Florida authorities then began investigating, and Ms. Cline’s allegations have apparently proved solid, certainly solid enough for the State of Florida to take action…”
How can you possibly quote him? HE_IS_HIGH! 30 a day? THIRTY!
Now, if the gerry-mandering bullshit and criminal activities of the republican party (disallowing ex-con voters in FL) and rigged diebold machines hadn’t been a factor, we’d have a statesman-like, concientious (sorry ’bout the big words, right-wing goobers) President, and WOU;DN’T BE IN THE FUCKING MESS WE ARE IN (our invasion of Iraq).
(now some dipshit’s going to post “we’re fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here”.
Really? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!
WHO’S coming here to fight? The Shiite and Sunni?
$8 billion a month. WHAT THE FUCK.
Has anyone actaully scene the movie, does it show keynote being used??
Gore everywhere-and more gore.
Newt for Prez.
Green Apples, a.k.a “Granny Smith”.
BTW, stop with the Green Peace propaganda. Apples are green and always have been despite what the GPers say, Apple doesn’t make CRT monitors, they were one of the first to drop those super polluters. They embraced Energy Saver™ guidelines loooooooong ago. They come in one box not several like PCs. They last longer and have a higer resale value, and don’t get trashed as often, or ever.
Love the shots of the MacBook Pro (PowerBook?) running Keynote that shows prominently in “an Inconvenient Truth”
Imagine if Gore had become POTUS where would environmental issues be in the agenda, perhaps Kyoto would have been ratified with a US signature?
Sung to the theme from “The Beverly Hillbillies”
Come and listen to my story ’bout a boy name Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about.
But that didn’t matter ‘cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.
Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can’t spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin’ out with student folk.
And that’s when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.
The next thing you know there’s a war in Vietnam.
Kin folks say, “George, stay at home with Mom.”
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We’ll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, “Now the White House is the place I wanna be.”
So he called his daddy’s friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.
Come November 7, the election ran late.
Kin folks said “Jeb, give the boy your state!”
“Don’t let those colored folks get into the polls.”
So they put up barricades so they couldn’t punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.
Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters “Hey, we want George to win.”
“Stop counting votes!” was their solemn invocation.
And that’s how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.
Y’all come vote now. Ya hear?
Al Gore lost his home state!!!
Um, people are dissing Al Gore? The guy who’s election to President was stolen by the corrupt GOP? I don’t understand this at all. At least Gore can hold a meaningful conversation, conjugate his verbs, etc. He would be more than just “the decider” – a lot more.
Al Gore for POTUS-
I agree. GreenPeace really shot themselves in the foot. there.
@ macolyte-
You say:
“…Crap documentary based on flawed science plus facts discredited by real experts in most disciplines…”
Examples, please. That sounds like something stupid you hear on Faux “news” InfoTainment (TM).
Typical horseshit from a RePUBICan.
@Bob
Yes, in fact there are several shots of Gore on an aircraft building his Keynote presentation!
@macolyte
“Crap documentary based on flawed science plus facts discredited by real experts in most disciplines.”
Yeah right! If you had seen the documentary, the information is presented in the clearest most succinct way imaginable! It’s hard to refute historical images of glaciers and the present day images. It’s hard to ignore the breakup of the Antarctic Shelf or the melting of Greenland and deny the implications. Or the drowning of Polar Bears due to lack of ice floes. Or the evaporation of Lake Chad, or the Aral Sea.
But go ahead and try, Ostriches don’t actually stick their head in the sand, but humans have an unparalleled ability to deny the empirical evidence that is right in front of their noses. Go ahead continue to be part of the problem and don’t even try to be part of the solution.
Go ahead and continue to buy your overpriced gas guzzling Hummers and SUVs, take us to the tipping point where its too late to do anything, except move in from the coast as the oceans rise 20 feet. What’s the point – either it isn’t going to happen, or it’s too late to stop it.
The UN is even backing down from the hysteria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/nclimate10.xml
or… “cows worse than cars”
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece
Or in older news, the solar warming cycle (news I didn’t keep the link on).
Or all the other stuff that the media chooses NOT to make a big deal of.
Google it, and get both sides for a change. Don’t be sucked in by the political far left. (and the media that will say anything to sell another ad)
Global Warming and Global Dimming are far more serious than most people know, including too many scientists. I see Climate Change in action and it is happening fast, very fast.
In my view, it is the #1 most serious issue we have.
I will be ignoring disagreements with candidates or parties on other issues and voting only for the candidate who will be seriously and quickly addressing this issue.
Yeah, he’ll be campaigning for an Oscar – but first, he’s helping Lindsey Lohan to find her panties.
Personally I don’t give a crap about politics, partisan or otherwise, this is an issue that transcends all that petty crap. What’s at stake is the future of humanity and life on this planet, all of it!
I imagine that even if we manage destroy ourselves the planet will eventually return to homeostasis … at least I hope so.
MW = river
Would that be “cry me a river” ?
To those who disagree with the concept of global warming, can it not be argued that it still is indefensable to spew waste into the oceans, soil and atmosphere?
Doesn’t that just SEEM right?
“cows worse that cars”
So what’s your point? Obviously we are responsible for the number of cows on the planet aren’t we? And it’s the combined effect of all the cows and all the cars, all the people burning all the hydrocarbons, all the stack spewing all the sulphur, etc. etc. etc.
You ignorius American destroyers, please start at yourselfes, for making a better world for all of your (and mine) children.
Hurl, “Board member Al Gore.
How embarrassing.”
It could be singularly embarrassing if it were not just as embarrassing to face the person “leading” (and by leading I mean dictating) the country from the White House. Even more embarrassing now that we’ve seen what he actually intended to do with his given power.
Lord please help us out of this almost-two-party system that is working our beloved country to ultimate destruction, creating the illusion of black and white issues, either/or choices, righteous versus evil, over-simplified conclusions to justify the gradual demise of the most fundamental tenets this country was originally founded on, and the only reason we’ve come this far and not self destructed – yet.
Regarding Al’s campaign for an Oscar – seems a little over the top. I think he needs to relax and let the work speak for itself.
I know Gore has put on some weight in recent years, but I don’t think he weighs 800 pounds. Although, if he cared so much about the environment he may want to shed some pounds to increase his gas mileage.
I think the next President should be a REAL uniter. The Republican and the Democrat parties have become too polarized. I think America would be much better off if we could reach some compromises, and get some things accomplished. The last two, two term presidents have both been bad for the country overall. This coming election in 2008, we need some REAL change. Hopefully, we can find someone who can accomplish this. If not, I’m really worried.
When discussing politics, please remember that we are a civilized people.
Here is a short (20 min) presentation by Al Gore at TED (Technology Education Design 2006). You can also subscribe to the podcasts by a wide variety of people on a rainbow of subjects.
Here is the Gore video
http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=al_gore
‘Al Gore lost his home state!!!’
Yes, the same state that gave us Bill Frist and just elected Bob Corker. Corker’s bulb is so dim he makes Dubya look like the sun.
Politics on MDN…you people make me want to laugh or cry. I can’t decide.
The only way to win is not to play.
schmluss,
I second that!
What the hell has happened to our country? We can’t even have a political discussion without resoritng to name calling.
We’ve got to stop watching these stupid talking heads on television that are playing us for ratings, and go back to common sense and civil discourse.
“a million Iraqis still alive”
The estimates of Iraqis killed is between 30,000 and 100,000, not a million. Many of those have been killed by insurgents. Saddam Hussein is said to have killed between 300,000 and 600,000. This was NOT in a war, this was him testing weapons and eliminating political enemies. There were also over 1,000,000 killed in the Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988).
Saddam purposely killed more Iraqis than the war has. While many have been killed in this war, at lleast there will be freedom for the Iraqis in the end (hopefully).
If you are going to attack, you should at least use honest numbers and not attempt to lie to people.
“Don’t let those colored folks get into the polls.”
The song was stupid and funny, but this one line is quite insulting, and complete non-sense. The ONLY votes that were oppressed were the votes of military soldiers that were overseas and attempting to do absentee voting. The Gore team attempted to have their votes discounted on a technicality. Furthermore, the Democrat party hired a telemarketing company to cold-call voters and suggest that they may have accidentally voted for the wrong candidate, which lead to the whole “chad” problem.
“People are dissing Al Gore? The guy who’s election to President was stolen by the corrupt GOP? I don’t understand this at all. At least Gore can hold a meaningful conversation, conjugate his verbs, etc. He would be more than just “the decider” – a lot more.”
I’m not dissing Gore, but I am dissing your statement. Al Gore did not have anything stolen from him. Our election process has rules; rules that both Gore and Bush agreed to before running. Based on those rules, he lost. He may have had more popular vote, but he did not win the electoral votes, and it’s not the first time that has happened.
Furthermore, Al Gore himself conceded the election.
http://www.c2c-home.org/
“I think the next President should be a REAL uniter. The Republican and the Democrat parties have become too polarized. I think America would be much better off if we could reach some compromises, and get some things accomplished. The last two, two term presidents have both been bad for the country overall. This coming election in 2008, we need some REAL change. Hopefully, we can find someone who can accomplish this. If not, I’m really worried.”
Actually, here’s a shocking statement. I don’t think either were all that bad for the country. I think the Clinton administration will in the future be largely forgotten. Why? Because there weren’t many earth shattering events or policies.
As for Bush, I think his Presidency will be looked at favorably in the future, as long as we finish Iraq. It may look bad to a lot of people now, but it looked bad during the Revolutionary War and Civil War. It also looked bad during WWII, yet the Presidents of those eras are looked at favorably.
“When discussing politics, please remember that we are a civilized people.”
Are you sure we are? Every time anything remotely political comes up, the insults fly. Usually, they fly from people that are “factually challenged”. It’s much easier to call George Bush a chimp than to look at facts.
Oh, yeah, let the misinformation begin. Maybe some clarification will help. Probably not.
Every Florida recount done after the election showed Bush won. It was a Federal election, the Florida Supreme Court has no jurisdiction. Get over it.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
The Kyoto Accord. Not a magic pill.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-06-12-kyoto.htm
On Gore’s “documentary”
http://www.epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=257909
Am I a conservative? Yes, and that includes the environment. It also includes some common sense.
Thank you Simple Math!
“Go ahead and continue to buy your overpriced gas guzzling Hummers and SUVs, take us to the tipping point where its too late to do anything, except move in from the coast as the oceans rise 20 feet. What’s the point – either it isn’t going to happen, or it’s too late to stop it.”
If it’s not going to happen, or it’s too late to stop it, then why should he worry about his SUV? According to you, it doesn’t matter, we’re doomed.
By the way, when I was a small child, we were doomed because erosion was going to destroy my entire town of Newport, RI….never happened. They told us in school that we were going to be doomed by acid rain….never happened. Then they told us that CFCs were going to destroy the world and needed to be replaced by something new. That new product, it turns out, is worse. They fight drilling in Alaska, which causes us to use giant tankers to haul oil across the world, which leads to the Exxon Valdez crash.
Based on these items, you’ll excuse me if I am skeptical of the doomsday preachers.
MDN Word: Seems, as in, it seems these environmentalists have been wrong alot.
SimpleMind-
Surely you don’t mean to imply that I, Always Right. am factually challenged?
Ok, WAS Rush drug-addled, or no?
You mean to compare The Revolutionay & Civil Wars to our invasion of Iraq, (whereby the NeoCons, who never lost the hard-on to oust Hussien, conciously decided to MAKE UP stories to tie terrorism to Iraq)? What a joke that is. In fact, Iraq IS civil war.
Hey, Mr. Fact-Checker (Simple-Mind), why don’t YOU give a us a dissertation on Iraq? You can read umpteen current books (vast majority condemning) and reports from current and retired military Generals (vast majority condemning). Use that as your basis, including the newly released IRAQ report, and give us some FACTS.
Here. I’ll give you one. (Again).
$8 billion a MONTH in Iraq.
But Osama Bin Laden is not in Iraq.
Explain, please, so that I may see you point of view, and be part of the TWENTY-SEVEN PERCENT who think like you do.
Ok, fact-checker, GET TO WORK.
Gore didn’t lose because of electoral vs. popular. The process was hijacked, and subverted.
“…As for Bush, I think his Presidency will be looked at favorably in the future, as long as we finish Iraq…”
FINISH? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.
“…think the Clinton administration will in the future be largely forgotten. Why? Because there weren’t many earth shattering events or policies…”
YOU MEAN, LIKE A BALANCED BUDGET? Hey Mr. Fact-Checker. What’s THE FED-DEF RIGHT NOW?
YOU THINK IT’S A GOOD IDEA TO BORROW MONEY FROM OTHER NATIONS, TO FOOT THIS $8B A MONTH?
HEY, WHAT’S SO CONSERVATIVE ABOUT THAT?
Disclaimer: I did not write that song, just C & P’d it.
Hey, just what does “SIMLPLE Math” mean, anyway.
I don’t get it, SIMLPLE Math.
Is that a silent L?
Always
“Gore didn’t lose because of electoral vs. popular. The process was hijacked, and subverted.”
Let’s see your facts there.
Al Gore would make a great pesident of the United States. Finally a man with his values straight and a global vision instead of some rednecky, narrow-minded, navel-gazing U-S-A U-S-A we-own-the-planet brouhaha.
Bush – the worst president ever. How has he
made your country safer by spawning more and more of ‘dem turrrshts’, even in Iraq, where there were none before this insane neo-con pipedream war of his and his neocon buddies? (That “no terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11” argument is as pathetic and braindead as it gets – how many were there before 9/11, huh?) How has his torture-endorsing, human rights stomping neobarbaric regime of liars and their corrupt GOP pawns held up family values and fastened the national identity? I though the national identity of America was built on freedom, democracy and human rights. The Bush regime and their policies are the antithesis of these values. And that’s as anti-American as it gets.
Surely you don’t mean to imply that I, Always Right. am factually challenged?
Well. let’s see. You said. “Really? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!
WHO’S coming here to fight? The Shiite and Sunni?” You may have forgotten that on September 11, 2001 the Sunnis did come here and destroyed a few buildings. We thwarted another Sunni attack a dew months ago coming from London. Most recently, we stopped an attack in a mall, and I believe that man was NoI.
“Ok, WAS Rush drug-addled, or no?”
Don’t know, don’t care. My posts had nothing to do with you except that one line in the funny song.
“You mean to compare The Revolutionay & Civil Wars to our invasion of Iraq…”
Yes, I do. And here is why. In all of those cases, we did what was right, regardless of the fact that the majority were against it. In the case of Iraq, we went in there to finish what should have been done a decade earlier. Iraq had repeatedly thumbed it’s nose at the world and ignored the treaty we had with them. After September 11, 2001, it was time to clean house. You can argue that Iraq was not part of the September 11 attack, and that’s fine, they weren’t. However, September 11th proved that these terrorist states have the ability to attack us. That is why e had to put an end to Saddam’s reign of terror. This is the same or worse with Iran.
FINISH? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.
Simple, have the cajones to defeat the insurgents. Quit pussy-footing around and try to WIN instead of trying to appease. The biggest problem with Iraq is that we went in as the Incredible Hulk, and have transformed back to David Banner.
“Gore didn’t lose because of electoral vs. popular. The process was hijacked, and subverted.”
No, that’s untrue. Please prove otherwise.
“YOU THINK IT’S A GOOD IDEA TO BORROW MONEY FROM OTHER NATIONS, TO FOOT THIS $8B A MONTH?
HEY, WHAT’S SO CONSERVATIVE ABOUT THAT?”
No, I don’t.
Stick this up your butts libs:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12112006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_damned_of_darfur_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm
Thanks, Gary for reporting from a reliable, well-respected new source.
What does the National Enquirer say about this?
Or, in the same league, what about Faux “news” InfoTainment (TM)?
So, who is going to answer my questions?
“Bush – the worst president ever. How has he
made your country safer by spawning more and more of ‘dem turrrshts’, even in Iraq, where there were none before this insane neo-con pipedream war of his and his neocon buddies? (That “no terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11″ argument is as pathetic and braindead as it gets – how many were there before 9/11, huh?) How has his torture-endorsing, human rights stomping neobarbaric regime of liars and their corrupt GOP pawns held up family values and fastened the national identity? I though the national identity of America was built on freedom, democracy and human rights. The Bush regime and their policies are the antithesis of these values. And that’s as anti-American as it gets.”
You got it right Brutha! He’s so much werser than Saddam.
Always Right: I’ll answer. I looked up your posts and found the questions below…
“To those who disagree with the concept of global warming, can it not be argued that it still is indefensable to spew waste into the oceans, soil and atmosphere?
Doesn’t that just SEEM right?” I agree, wherever it’s feasible we should try to be clean. Just because people disagree with some of the eco-activists does not mean that people want to throw trash everywhere.
Y’all come vote now. Ya hear?
Actually I read it, but I guess I could have RotRox 2.0 speak it for me.
How can you possibly quote him? HE_IS_HIGH! 30 a day? THIRTY!
Well, I can’t defend drug abuse, but it doesn’t mean a quote is inacurate.
WHO’S coming here to fight? The Shiite and Sunni? As I said earlier…on September 11, 2001 the Sunnis did come here and destroyed a few buildings. We thwarted another Sunni attack a dew months ago coming from London. Most recently, we stopped an attack in a mall, and I believe that man was NoI.
Anything else?
SOUNDS LIKE SOCIALISM BY ANY OTHER DESCRIPTION.
Looks like she needs some reality in her outlook.
Published: October 22, 2006
Nancy Pelosi condemned the new record highs of the stock market as “just
another example of Bush policies helping the rich get richer”.
“First Bush cut taxes for the rich and the economy has rebounded with new
record low unemployment rates, which only means wealthy employers are
getting even wealthier at the expense of the underpaid working class”.
She went on to say “Despite the billions of dollars being spent in Iraq
our economy is still strong and government tax revenues are at all time
highs. “What this really means is” that business is exploiting the war
effort and working Americans, just to put money in their own pockets”.
When questioned about recent stock market highs she responded “Only the
rich benefit from these record highs. Working Americans, welfare recipients,
the unemployed and minorities are not sharing in these obscene record
highs”.
“There is no question these windfall profits and income created by the
Bush administration need to be taxed at 100% rate and those dollars
redistributed to the poor and working class”.
“Profits from the stock market do not reward the hard work of our
working class who, by their hard work, are responsible for generating
these corporate profits that create stock market profits for the rich. We in
congress will need to address this issue to either tax these profits or to
control the stock market to prevent this unearned income to flow to the
rich”.
When asked about the fact that over 80% of all Americans have investments
in mutual funds, retirement funds, 401K’s, and the stock market she replied
“That may be true, but probably only 5% account for 90% of all these
investment dollars. That’s just more “trickle down” economics claiming that
if a corporation is successful that everyone from the CEO to the floor
sweeper benefit from higher wages and job security which is ridiculous”. How
much of this “trickle down” ever get to the unemployed and minorities in our
county? None, and that’s the tragedy of these stock market highs.”
“We democrats are going to address this issue after the election when we
take control of the congress. We will return to the 60% to 80% tax rates on
the rich and we will be able to take at least 30% of all current lower
Federal Income Tax taxpayers off the roles and increase government income
substantially. We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our
country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.”
When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied “We need
to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For
example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who
need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall
profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living
they would like to have as “Americans”
A Bush spokesman responded to this interview by saying “Mrs. Pelosi has
set a new standard for the spin business”.
Feeling smarter yet?
Always Light (on substance):
I clicked on the link and read the article and it’s a great read with a lot of excellent points on Muslims and Darfur and what’s being done there. Where do you get your news, MoveOn.org???
Kim,
That thing about Pelosi is terrifying if it’s actually true. I tend to believe it though. Yeah the US will be better off under Democrat control, what a freaking joke. They’ll turn the US into China or Cuba.
I’m in love with my pet goat!
All right Republicans!!!!
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/12/11/pretexting/index.php
Up yours Dem-Libs!
> …I think the Clinton administration will in the future be largely forgotten. Why? Because there weren’t many earth shattering events or policies…. [Simple Math]
Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 – 2000 – or for the record, from a previous post in MDN:
QUOTE
Longest economic expansion in American history
More than 22 million new jobs
Highest homeownership in American history
Lowest unemployment in 30 years
Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
Lowest crime rate in 26 years
100,000 more police for our streets
Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
Protected millions of acres of American land
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Lowest government spending in three decades
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
More families own stock than ever before
Most diverse cabinet in American history
UNQUOTE
Hell, since Rush was brought up for no reason, this is for all you Wal-Mart haters
http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/07/target-wal-mart-kmart-pf-guru-in_vj_1207soapbox_inl.html?partner=daily_newsletter
The market generally corrects itself.
And where is my answer, Always?
Gore annoyingly claimed to invent the interenet while kissing up to celebrities. Clinton gave N. Korea nuke technology and set the stage for the 9/11 attacks by treating Islamic terrorists as petty criminals all while being blown by a fat, ugly chick. The great economy was set in motion by Bush and Reagan. By the end of Clinton’s presidency things were well on their way down the tubes. TotwerTone: Always Right’s mom caught him online again and took away his internet privileges.
And AR has no educated answers to your wise question TowerTone.
“…However, September 11th proved that these terrorist states have the ability to attack us. That is why e had to put an end to Saddam’s reign of terror. This is the same or worse with Iran…”
That’s the kind of ideology that has not served us well. Iraq was a terrorist state? I thought they were a sovereign nation. Iraq had the ability to attack us?
Look, Put an end to reign of terror?
What about all the REAL threats? NORTH KOREA? (Oh, no, wait, that’s not condusive to the REAL motive- nation bldg. Always was, and is now. Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld- all trying to do this before. (At least G.H.W.B., and I believe thats what got him emotional the other day, his idiot son, and the blood on his family’s hands) had good sense. As I said before, this is a left-over hard-on.
I agree, about Iran. Actually, that’s a bigger problem, but we’re not helping by refusing to talk.
Re: Sunnis and Shiite- I can’t agree there (I think that’s a stretch), but, I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree.
TT-
“…It was a Federal election, the Florida Supreme Court has no jurisdiction…”
They most certainly do. Although the Legislature could’ve written better laws, and probably will because of this, the Court’s function is to interpret the law, especially in circumstances where a situation occurs that the law doesn’t adequately cover, or in situations that create a conflict between two laws.
P.S. SimpleMath- why use superlatives? Who said acid rain would be the end of the world?
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There are, however, appr. 200 lakes that fish can’t live in (Adirondack Mts., near where I live). I see this report says 1200 lakes dead in Omtario.
That’s what scientists say, but, I dunno, what do the Creationists say?
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/194acidraineffects.html
“What’s the point – either it isn’t going to happen, or it’s too late to stop it.”
Well, that was me just giving in to my pessimism, because as I said, we humans have an unparalleled ability to deny the empirical evidence right in front of our noses, we get lost in the complexity of the issue and the seemingly conflicting facts. Why is it hotter here and colder there, why is it wetter here and dryer there? If it’s Global Warming why is it so cold this winter. Mistakenly thinking that minor localized variances is evidence that it is not happening.
As Gore says in the film, small corrections can make a difference, better fuel efficiency, using low wattage light bulbs, installing a solar panel, turning down the thermostat and putting on a sweater, taking public transit, you name it.
WM = began
it’s time we as individuals began to make a difference.
I agree, about Iran. Actually, that’s a bigger problem, but we’re not helping by refusing to talk.
Talk about what? Ahmadinejad and the religious leaders that control Iran want Israel wiped off the map and the “Great Satan” (US) destroyed. He has publicly said that he is trying to bring forth Armageddon, the literal last battle. When a Hurricane is coming, you don’t talk to it, you prepare for the storm. Just look back into history. Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler and everybody cheered. Six days later, Hitler attacked and nobody was prepared. As Winston Churchill said, “You can vote for war, or you can vote for appeasement. You have voted for appeasement, and now you have war.”
Re: Sunnis and Shiite- I can’t agree there (I think that’s a stretch), but, I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree.
What is the stretch? The 911 attackers were Sunni Muslims. Just ask Silvestre Reyes, the incoming intelligence chief who is being blasted for getting that wrong on his intelligence quiz.
As for acid rain, I remember in elementary school when they had speakers come in to teach us about how it was going to be a major disaster, which is the same thing the same people are doing with global warming.
“Less is more”
I guess you must also love the republican congress that worked with Clinton as well?
You must also like George Bush, as the economy has grown even more, and unemployment is lower?
As for my statement that Clinton will be largely forgotten, here is what I meant. Washington got us through the revolution, and was our first President. Lincoln had the civil war and freeing the slaves. FDR had the depression and the war. Reagan brought down the iron curtain. Presidents are remembered for the major events that they steer the country through. Saying that Clinton will be largely forgotten is not necessarily a slam on him. The fact that the country did well while he was in office is not memorable.
All of my answers are intelligent, Wendy (BTW, are you hot? What are you wearing right now?)
But I couldn’t hold a candle to, say, “webyswim”.
LMFAO!
“…Gore annoyingly claimed to invent the interenet while kissing up to celebrities…”
Gore never claimed that he “invented” the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other. In a 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
As a congressman he promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that’s how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of “inventing”.
SEE HOW FULL OF CRAP YOU PEOPLE ARE?
“…Clinton gave N. Korea nuke technology and set the stage for the 9/11 attacks by treating Islamic terrorists as petty criminals…”
Actually, in 1994 Clinton reached the “Agreed Framework” and N. Korea froze nuclear production for the next 8 years.
Bush blew our load settling an old score with Saddam. Otherwise, we might actually be able to do something about North Korea.
Iraq also took the focus off of Afghanistan (Osoma. Remember?)Now we see a Taliban resurgence. It’s fair to give the guy who had the reigns the last 6 years a fair share of the blame.
The great economy was set in motion by Bush and Reagan. By the end of Clinton’s presidency things were well on their way down the tubes…”
What? Surplus= down tubes?
Greenspan largely credited Clinto policies as single most important component of defecit reduction plan. Look it up, dum-dum!
Less is More:
That was beautiful.
“That’s the kind of ideology that has not served us well. Iraq was a terrorist state? I thought they were a sovereign nation.”
State is another word for nation.
Iraq had the ability to attack us?
They had weapon they agrees not to have after the first Gulf War. They had attacked an ally that was also a sovereign nation. They paid money to the families of people that blew up Israelis. They also allowed terrorist camps in the country, including Al Quida.
“What about all the REAL threats? NORTH KOREA?”
North Korea has not attacked a neighbor yet, but if you recall, the President named Iraq, Iran and NK as the Axis of evil. Nobody has ignored NK.
“(Oh, no, wait, that’s not condusive to the REAL motive- nation bldg. Always was, and is now. “
Gee, I thought it was to get the oil? Oh, wait, that was last month. However, if the goal is nation-building, then why not go into NK. That is the perfect place to nation-build. After all, we have trade relations with South Korea.
However, I will say one thing. I don’t argue with you on the nation-building. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the first two nations we went after are on either side of Iran. I truly believe that the ultimate goal is to change Iran. In Iran the people are much more willing and likely to revolt than in the other nations, and having Afghanistan and Iraq living freely will bring about the uprising without us shooting one bullet.
It seems that a lot of people here talk a great deal about a problem that they don’t really know a lot about. Since I actuall have some scientific training, I thought I might try to show how and why climate change can occur through CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.
Firstly, and rather scientifically, CO2, along with water vapour, and yes, methane (from cows etc.) are considered greenhouse gases. The reason they are considered thus is that they have a molecular structure that preferentially absorbs low frequency radiation (infrared, in particular). The practical upshot of this is that when the sun’s rays strike the earth, building, houses and most things, other than snow and clouds, the frequency of the radiation is lowered, on average to infrared and bounces back out through the atmosphere. This lowered frequency radiation is absorbed by the CO2, methane, and water vapour in the atmosphere. Not all of it, of course, but some of it.
Now the more CO2, methane and water vapour in the atmosphere, the more heat can be absorbed and the more heat can be trapped. A simple experiment can be done at home with a sealable fish tank, a CO2 fire extinguisher, a UV light and a thermometer. Shine the light into the fisht tank just with air, and you will see an increase in temperature to a equilibrium point depending on the setup. Introduce some CO2 and wait for the temperatures to settle (it’ll get colder for a bit – CO2 coming from a fire extinguisher – then start to warm up and reach a new equilibrium level). The temperature will be higher.
Now this lab experiment does not completely translate to the real environment, because there is no such thing as a conservation of heat, rather there is a conservation of energy. Only some of this energy goes into higher temperatures, some goes into driving faster winds, and still more goes into a million other things. But the fact remains that the amount of energy inputted into the atmosphere is increased.
None of this is under any dispute, its all basic high school physics, and I don’t care how many Michael Crichton quotes you spew out, I aint backing down.
Now, we have a good measurement of CO2 levels now for about 650,000 years. Some of these I even took myself from ice cores (when I was a postgrad). At this current point, CO2 levels are beyond twice those of any time in that entire history, so we EXPECT more energy to be in the atmosphere, so we would EXPECT that at least some of that would translate to a temperature increase.
Now the above is no longer high school physics, but no serious climate scientist would dispute it. I mean no one who is not on someone’s payroll anyway.
The entire block of increase from the roughly average levels of CO2 to the levels we have today occurs from about the 1950s to now. That is out of 650,000 years all of the record levels have occured in the last 60 years or 0.001% of the total time. Now you really do have to be an osterich if you can’t see that its pretty suspiciouly tied to our activities.
I’m sorry people, but I think it really is time we stop listening to the so-called both sides of the debate, because one is basically the oil industry wanting to make sure they sell every bit of those trillion barrels of oil. My vote goes to the children to who inherit this planet, not Mobil, Unical etc.
Before any of you label me as a “Republican”, please know that I am not from your country. I’m a Canadian, and if you had to label me by political affiliation, I would be a Canadian Conservative, mainly because I’m not a thief, nor a socialist, or a separatist for that matter.
In any case, I’m rapidly becoming of the opinion that all this global warming coverage as of late is simply hyperbole. Many respected scientific minds have, with the aid of substantiated and indisputable evidence, proven that the Earth’s climate depends far more on solar activity from the sun than it does on carbon dioxide (and other “greenhouse gases”) concentration in the atmosphere. As a result, it is fairly easily proven that the temperature of the Earth has actually gone down in the last 50 years, on average. Less solar activity equals a lower temperature on Earth. These fluctuations are obviously not great enough to cause disruptions to life on Earth, but they are measurable.
http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm
Peruse the link above, paying particular interest to the first graph, on the left. Notice how the solar magnetic cycle and temperature patterns on Earth match up very closely? Then look at the second graph, on the right, and notice how the trendline of actual temperature has not risen dramatically over the last 25 years. Pay particular attention to the scale on the left-hand side of the graph. As I recall from a newspaper article I read recently, the total efforts of every nation involved in the Kyoto accord have, cumulatively, achieved a temperature drop of 1/1000ºC, since its inception. Notice how the graph jumps and falls whole half degrees in a couple years? Yeah, solar activity rates again, not “global warming”.
Further still, the temperature of the Earth is well below the established 3000 year average, and the temperature has been much higher than it currently is now, with no ill effects.
In short, many agree that what we are experiencing is natural heating and cooling of the Earth. Fossil fuel use has little to no effect on the climate of the Earth, when considered in comparison to much larger forces such as solar activity or even natural progressions of carbon dioxide between the Earth’s crust and the atmosphere, something we know little about currently.
Hope someone reads this.
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–mAc
Hi mAc-warrior! Hey , I read it! Published 9 years ago!
“…The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as “a small research institute” that studies “biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging.” It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for “parents concerned about socialism in the public schools” and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war….”
“… a petition produced in 1998 by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and “signed by over 18,000 scientists”. Had Bellamy studied the signatories, he would have discovered that the “scientists” include Ginger Spice and the cast of MASH.(10) The Oregon Institute is run by a fundamentalist Christian called Arthur Robinson. Its petition was attached to what purported to be a scientific paper, printed in the font and format of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In fact, the paper had not been peer-reviewed or published in any scientific journal.(11) Anyone could sign the petition, and anyone did: only a handful of the signatories are experts in climatology,(12) and quite a few of them appear to have believed that they were signing a genuine paper.(13) And yet, six years later, this petition is still being wheeled out to suggest that climatologists say global warming isn’t happening…”
“… of several small towns nestled in the Illinois Valley, whose total population is 15,000. Best known as a gateway to the Oregon Caves National Monument, it is described by its chamber of commerce as “the commercial, service, and cultural center for a rural community of small farms, woodlots, crafts people, and families just living apart from the crowds. … It’s a place where going into the market can take time because people talk in the aisles and at the checkstands. Life is slower, so you have to be patient. You’ll be part of that slowness because it is enjoyable to be neighborly.” The main visitors are tourists who come to hike, backpack and fish in the area’s many rivers and streams. Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive “scientists’ petition” on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences…”
See? more horsecrap.
Oh, and the world is flat.
Also, Sunni’s & Shiite are comin’ ta git us, ‘cuz they’re “freedom-haters”. “Evil-Doers”. “Suiciders”.
MW- “manner”, as in ” all manner of desperate horseshit thrown in here by people who think they’re “conservative.
McGherkinstein Jones-
Thanks for your post!
Anyone notice that the weatherman can’t predict the temperature or snowfall accurately, yet we are supposed to believe people that are predicting the climate in 100 years?
It has been said that a volcano eruption gives off more greenhouse gases than all the cars ever produced. We are also told that in Earth’s history there was a time of great volcanic activity. At the same time we are supposed to believe that the greenhouse gases are worse now then ever. We are also supposed to believe that somehow, scientists that have only been keeping temperature records for 120 years know that we are warmer now than ever.
Now, McGherkinstein Jones says that we are currently twice the levels that we were 650,000 years ago. Of course, if these things build up over the years, then doubling in 650,000 doesn’t sound so bad. Of course since nobody was doing these measurements 650,000 years ago, we will have to take these numbers with a grain of salt.
How about these:
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html
“Scientists also point out that nature produces far more greenhouse gases than we do. For example, when the Mount Pinatubo volcano erupted, within just a few hours it had thrown into the atmosphere 30 million tonnes of sulphur dioxide— almost twice as much as all the factories, power plants and cars in the United States do in a whole year. Oceans emit 90 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, every year. Decaying plants throw up another 90 billion tonnes, compared to just six billion tonnes a year from humans.
What’s more, 100 million years ago, there was six times as much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as there is now, yet the temperature then was marginally cooler than it is today. Many scientists have concluded that carbon dioxide doesn’t even affect climate.”
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/prog1.htm#suspend
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/cool.htm
Don’t expect a response. I’ve gone to bed.
–mAc
mAc-warrior-
Don’t you feel just a little silly now?
If so, why not renounce your Canadian citizenship?
There are PLENTY of nutcases down here, WHO BELIEVE IN FAIRY-TALE (Bible) BASED LITERALISMS!
Example:
“…Mitt Romney Appoints Non-Scientist To Stem-Cell Board…”
Good ‘ol Morman Mitt (Hey, I JUST MADE THAT UP!).
He’s a religious whacko too, mAc-warrior!
WHO NEEDS SCIENCE, FACTS, ETC.
In fact, just keep a headin’ south. All the way too MISSISSIPPI! Can’t be bothered with FIGURIN’ down there-
“…The Mississippi state legislature removed fractions and decimal points from the mathematics curriculum of public secondary schools…”
(Hard to believe, isn’t it?)
Also, Sunni’s & Shiite are comin’ ta git us, ‘cuz they’re “freedom-haters”. “Evil-Doers”. “Suiciders”.
No fundamentalist Muslims that have hijacked a religion may be.
Do you think that people that strap bombs to themselves and blow other people up, or fly airplanes into buildings aren’t “evil-doers or” “suiciders”?
You come on here freaking out about how theories of Global Warming are going to destroy us, yet downplay suicide bombers that we KNOW are killing people. Last I checked suicide bombers have killed far more people than global warming.
Why is it you expect everybody to change our lifestyles to stop the potential global warming, yet when we do anything to stop terrorists, you criticize it. If life is so important to you, perhaps you should support efforts that are trying to stop deaths that are happening now.
Example:
“…Mitt Romney Appoints Non-Scientist To Stem-Cell Board…”
Hey why not, we just sent a panel of people to study Iraq. None have experience running a war. Only one actually visited the battlegrounds of Iraq. As for the stem-cell issue, there should be others besides scientists on the board. Why? Because the issue of stem-cell research has social implications as well as scientific.
“Good ‘ol Morman Mitt (Hey, I JUST MADE THAT UP!).
He’s a religious whacko too, mAc-warrior!”
Wow, that’s clever. What does religion have to do with this discussion? Why is he a whacko? because you say so? Based on your “fairy Tale” and “Mormon” comments, I guess your a secularist. I guess that explains why you think it’s OK that terrorist are killing people.
WHO NEEDS SCIENCE, FACTS, ETC.
And in your case, who needs facts at all. It’s much easier to call people a “Chimp” a “religious whacko” isn’t it?
@ mAc-warrior: “… the temperature of the Earth is well below the established 3000 year average, and the temperature has been much higher than it currently is now, with no ill effects.”
Unless you had weather stations set up 3000 years ago, it is physically impossible to know with any certainty what the temperature of the Earth was then. Our measurements come from such measurments that have been taken going back to the 1800s, and they all indicate a warming trend, post-industrial revolution.
McGherkinstein Jones has also done us a service by getting rid of the political BS, by pointing out that it is our activities that have created measurable changes in the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere in that same time frame. 2x as much in the last 60 years, compared to knowable levels over the last 600,000. More gases=more heat. More heat=climate change. Climate change=changes in everything from the way we grow food, to where we can live economically. Changes like that, on a global scale, can’t help but at least cost more lives & money than would otherwise happen, as we struggle to deal with it. And of course, the worse case scenario – which no one can rule out with any certainty – is that the changes will be so bad that we, as a species, wind up trying to eak out a living from a planet that no longer is environmentally capable in accomodating us on a wide scale.
That last point alludes to a very large point that’s missed in this discussion – global warming is not about ‘hurting the Earth’. The Earth couldn’t give a flying f*ck about how hot it gets. The Earth will still be here. The problem is what the effect will do to US – the humans.
Now, is the worse case scenario definitely what is going to happpen? How the hell should I know. Does the evidence thus far indicate we are going down that general road? Yes. Will the Earth care one way or another whether it happens? No. And whatever the Earth/Mother Nature does to adjust, there is no gaurantee that it will be beneficial to us – it could just as well facilitate the Rise of the Cockroaches or the Return of the Dinosaurs or something completely different.
So, given the possible consequences of the path that available evidence indicates we are on, would we be supremely stupid not to take preventative measures (especially when all of these measures will also make us more economically efficient AND politically secure) to preserve some semblance of what we know is an environment conducive to our comfortable existence? Uh … duh. Out of a basic sense of self-preservation, it makes no sense not to! Only an utter and complete idiot wouldn’t take action to preserve the good things they have.
But, as many of the posts on this site show in no uncertain terms, certain vocal elements of the conservative movement in America are just that; utter and complete idiots.
I for one am happy to see that the majority of Americans are finally waking up to that fact.
“Our measurements come from such measurments that have been taken going back to the 1800s, and they all indicate a warming trend, post-industrial revolution.” should read:
“Our best info today comes from such measurments that have been taken going back to the 1800s, and they all indicate a warming trend, post-industrial revolution.”
@ SimpleMath-
“…Do you think that people that strap bombs to themselves and blow other people up, or fly airplanes into buildings aren’t “evil-doers or” “suiciders”?…”
Sure I do! (But, if I were President of the USA, I might try to speak in less of a sophmoric way, wouldn’t you?) As I stated before, to make the stretch from Sunni vs. Shiite in the Iraq CivilWar=terrorists,
I don’t see it. That is an internal struggle- they are using IEDs against our troops because they resent (right or wrong) the “infidel” prescence. Same reason Osamo (remember him, the guy WHO ATTACKED US?) gave. I Report. You Decide.
“…You come on here freaking out about how theories of Global Warming are going to destroy us, yet downplay suicide bombers that we KNOW are killing people. Last I checked suicide bombers have killed far more people than global warming…”
I’m FREAKING OUT? No, sounds like YOU are, a little now. Surprising, because up until this point, I thought you were one of the more intelligent conservative posters.
(I realize I am infammatory. I used to be civil. The “other side”, usually dished it out. After awhile I got tired of it because of A) the amount of BS B) the thin skin of those who dish it out but can’t take it.)
“…Why is it you expect everybody to change our lifestyles to stop the potential global warming, yet when we do anything to stop terrorists, you criticize it. If life is so important to you, perhaps you should support efforts that are trying to stop deaths that are happening now…”
No, I WANT to stop the taerrorists. Al Quada and Taliban are in AFGHANISTAN.
Let’s go get ’em!!!! (I mean it).
Yes, mAc-a warrior-
don’t bother to repond.
Those two are bullshit, too.
ODYSSEY67-
“…McGherkinstein Jones has also done us a service by getting rid of the political BS…”.
Thank you. (I mean that, even though probably seems funny, coming fromn ME!).
Simple Math-
“…Wow, that’s clever. What does religion have to do with this discussion? Why is he a whacko? because you say so? Based on your “fairy Tale” and “Mormon” comments, I guess your a secularist. I guess that explains why you think it’s OK that terrorist are killing people…”
The founder of that “Institute” seems to be theologically challenged. A survivalist nut. Google him.
I am NOT a secularist.
I think it’s OK that terrorist are killing people?
“…WHO NEEDS SCIENCE, FACTS, ETC.
And in your case, who needs facts at all. It’s much easier to call people a “Chimp” a “religious whacko” isn’t it?
I have presented facts, and references. Plus, don’t forget. I am Always Right. (It’s uncanny).
The only person I have called Chimp is G.W. aka, George The Chimp (TM).
Here, another footnote
BushorChimp.com
I’m Australian, so my comment is neutral as an outside observer.
You idiots are quoting bullshit at each other, with no attempt at obtaining facts or quoting from substantiated evidence.
You’re beating your dicks at each other, trying to make that slapping sound bigger than each other, but you end up smacking and pulverising yourselves.
Both sides, Democratic and Republicans… you’re FUCKING STUPID. Stop regurgitating what you think you know, and GO FIND OUT!
…Sung to the theme from “The Beverly Hillbillies”…
Terrific parsing.
…Obviously we are responsible for the number of cows on the planet aren’t we?
A very large amount of biomass is being converted into beefburgers, yes, to feed the very large apetites of a very large population.
…I guess you must also love the republican congress that worked with Clinton as well?…
What the republicans through their cronies and right wing press did to Clinton should go down in history as one of the largest ever character assasination attempts against a U.S. president. Needless to say, despite all the illegal activities by Ken-the-Starr – the nightly leaks of outright lies (beats me why Ken wudn’t thrown in jail) – Clinton’s popularity kept climbing.
…The fact that the country did well while he was in office is not memorable….
That is a rather unperceptive.
…You’re beating your dicks at each other, trying to make that slapping sound bigger than each other…
Take your fetishes elsewhere. May I suggest you toss a couple of prawns on the barbie along with your sausage or wank yourself to sleep. BTW, have you come up with a solution other than “purposely ignore” the poor aussie airforce kids ordered to crawled into the toxic fuel tanks of your F-111s and have been suffering ever since?
As for global warming, I’m bothered by Gore’s failure to consider what percent of all greenhouse gasses is CO2. Whatever…. A global weather crisis might just be what humanity needs to head off extinction, assuming it’s survivable.
Steve, one word of caution for you. Step- AWAY- from the stingrays.
Really, my entries C & P’d from wikipedia are not substantiated?
WSJ? No?
Whaddya’ want, a friggin’ affadavit?
And what is this, some sort of Aussie sport, dick-slapping?
Really, did you read your post?
You must be proud!
All of Australia is proud of you, mate!
MW- length (ew).
Always Light = Psycho
I am a long time lib and I have to say that Always Right is a sexist, woman hating, biggot. Anything coming out of your mouth is ignored.
“Always Right” please change your name to “Always Left.”
Thank you.
“Oh, yeah, let the misinformation begin. Maybe some clarification will help. Probably not.
Every Florida recount done after the election showed Bush won. It was a Federal election, the Florida Supreme Court has no jurisdiction. Get over it.”
1- There has never been a Federal Election. Each state/commonwealth has the right to choose it’s electors by it’s own laws and methods as long as they do not violate the US Constitution. As long as a state does not prohibit someone’s civil rights, etc., the Feds have NOTHING to say about what or how a state chooses it’s electors.
2- The recount of all Florida votes showed that Bush lost. It was buried deep in the bowels of the papers. Accusations go on page 1, corrections on p45.
3- If the State of Florida could not be decided in a timely matter, the issue was supposed to go to the US House of Representatives. It was not.
Bush was appointed President by a Supreme Court illegally by the very people charged with upholding and protecting the Constitution. Most importantly, the interloping in a state issue was supported by the ‘Conservatives’. That’s the way of the Neo-Con. Spout state’s rights until it’s not convenient.
“The founder of that “Institute” seems to be theologically challenged. A survivalist nut. Google him.”
Who are you speaking of? Joseph Smith? He was a farmer from Vermont/New York.. Even if he was a ‘survivalist’, so was John the Baptist, what’s your point?
“I am NOT a secularist.”
Well, you have no problem attacking the Bible as “fairy Tales” and calling the Massachusettes Governor a religious whacko. This leads me to believe you were probably not at the last Billy Graham revival.
The childish behavior that abounds in this thread is an embarrassment to MDN. I simply wanted to present an alternate viewpoint that I have read about in numerous sources. I think it’s worth debating, but I will not continue with the level of immaturity that is present here.
To everyone’s friend “Always Right”: You can just go on thinking that you’re “Always Right”. Maybe you are, and maybe you aren’t. Maybe you should consider that there might not be a “Right”, in all cases. But your immaturity and bigotry shows a level of insecurity rivaled by few here. Childish insults are not the way to garner respect and admiration from others. Someday, perhaps, you’ll learn that those two things are more important than being “Always Right”. Maybe if you reach the tenth grade you’ll realize that.
I will not even address your theological insults. You have no idea what faith I hold. I’m done with this.
–mAc
No problem, mAc.
I am not going to address your bogus science, then.
You are worse than excrement and you are dead wrong about what happened in that election. You are totally full of it. Bush won fair and square and you mentally challenged, poor losers, threaten lawsuits all over the place. Notice how the Republicans are filing lawsuits all over the place. You libs are SICK!
bla bla bla bla
Oregon Institute- Arthur Robinson.
I’m a bigot? What?
Wendy- were my answers educated enough?
MW- “days”, as in G.W.’s days are numbered.
http://www.junkscience.com/
Al Gore is full of shit about CO2 being the main cause of global warming.
CO2 has little impact on the Earth’s temperature. Variation in solar radiance, the Earth’s longterm orbit, the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation, etc. all have more impact on the Earth’s temperature than CO2.
The longterm climate models are completely broken and can’t predict the climate next year much less 100 years from now.
Chicken Little Gore is scaring people for his own political purpose, nothing more.
Thank the merciful God that George W. Bush won the election and saved us from the lunatic Al Gore. Only a fool would want this idiot as President.
“…the Earth’s longterm orbit, the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation…”
Sounds to me as thought the only effect of cosmic rays is on your brain!
Kim,
Great post. Sure is scary. These libs will run themselves right out of office.
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Hilarious, T1! A work of art.
BTW, I stole most of that.
Love it TowerTone! Couldn’t be more true.
Here’s a nice article about the libs favorite nation:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/12/iran.holocaust.conference.reut/index.html
Dirt Balls!
something I’ve come to now, finally, know for sure:
the large majority of MacDailyNews posters are complete and utter fsck-heads.
you may have also noticed this fact. but because of the truthyness outilined above, I have to doubt it.
the great thing is, as a non-american world-citizen, I have to tell you (from personal experience) that the large majority of real americans views and opinions are not posted at MacDailyNews.
now isn’t that a fscking relief!
MacDailyNews Magic Word: lived –as in, it would seem, the large majority of MacDailyNews posters have not lived…
TT-
yup. They’ve gone nuts.
Xmas tree is up in my house.
Where it belongs.
Peace.
just watching my TiVo of John Edwards on Hardball with Chris Mathews.
Thank GOD (speaking as an Independent here) the Dems are back in power.
Now, when Ms. Clinton or Mr. Gore, or Edwards take the reigns, we can FINALLY BECOME A RESPECTED WORLD PLAYER, once again.
One final question, here.
Where. Is. O. Sa. Ma. Bin. La. Den.?
Is he in Iraq? Isn’t he the one who claimed responsibility for 9/11?
Well, why aren’t we finding him?
I could post the clip here, but what do you 27 percenters think about George The Chimp (TM) saying “I don’t really think about him that much”.
Even if that was taken out of context, isn’t that a stupid thing for a Prez to say? (Unless, the Prez is a Chimpanzee. Really, he’s not that far removed.).
But I still think someone should slap Barbara Bush.
Almost 3000 kids (OUR kids) dead. George The Pussy (TM) (unlike John Kerry, who VOLUNTEERED) got a cushy Texas Air Guard Job (see my song). Courtesy of Daddy.
Face up to the facts. Get over it. Admit it.
And don’t forget about chicken-shit Cheney. Another PUSSY.
Don’t like my post?
KISS MY ASS. I am embarresed by more than half of the morons on this board.
-3000 kids DEAD, (where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
-$8 billion a month (where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
-27% “war” approval (where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?
-NO security in ports (where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
(where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
(where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)(where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
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-(where is Osama Bin Laden? The MasterMind of the 9/11 attacks?)
Do I make myself clear?
Who is not clear on this?
WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?
(Think about this. Next time is going to be catastrophic.)
Where is he?
Never mind any bullshit.
This is the real deal.
We’ve lost valueable time.
The entire middle east neads to be wiped out and then start over. These baffoons are not capable of peacefully inhabiting the planet. They will bring their own end on themselves. I back it. Hopefully Always Right will be vacationing there when it happens.
If John Edwards was on with Chris Mathews, it wasn’t hardball, I don’t care what they call the show.
More like T-Ball.
Let’s hear from a REAL Democrat, like Joe Lieberman or maybe Tom Vilsack.
MW:soon, as in “I’m afraid McCain and Rice will be up there soon, but it could be much worse”
Anyone who thinks Osama Bin Ladin is the key to all of this is a real idiot. He’s a small piece of the puzzle. He will be found when Pakistan gets invaded in a nuclear war. They don’t want to get him we don’t want a nuclear war to get him. That’s what will happen and that’s what every moron that keeps whining Osama, Osama, will bring about. I say bring back the draft and lets go after these people everywhere they lurk on the planet and kill them.
Disclaimer: This is my first and last post on this topic. I will also not be reading any comments about my post – so don’t bother.
Always Right – you’re an idiot. You cannot spell (yet you attack Bush for not being able to speak as eloquently as some puppet {Gore}) and you yell (at least that’s what I interpret your liberal use of caps to mean) to make your points. You really do not have to use caps to highlight your idiotic beliefs.
Osama bin Laden is dead. His body is buried in some cave where no one will ever find him. Who cares anyway? Even if he did architect 9/11 he obviously did not fly the planes into the buildings himself. What would capturing bin Laden do at this point anyway? He is (was) nobody. Was he king of anything? Was he the president of anywhere? Did he hold a seat at the UN? Nope.
Capturing Saddam (an actual president of something) and judging him and his extremely evil actions through a democratic process sends a clear, lightning-bolt message to terrorists. Upon capture, they will be prosecuted according to the laws of their nations.
So…the Iraq war had nothing to do with 911, nor WMD, nor bringing OBL to justice? Hmm….
> …What would capturing bin Laden do at this point anyway?
Well, I guess we can cut our police forces now. What, another murder? Well, slap the bookie next door!
MW: “order” as in “law and….”
Right on macman! Well put.
AlwaysRight –> AlwaysWrong
“Swedish researchers provided experimental evidence that cosmic rays may be a major factor in climate change. They calculated that just 5 years of cosmic ray activity can have 85 percent of the effect on the Earth’s climate as 200 years of manmade carbon dioxide emissions. Though the study was published in the prestigious Proceedings of the Royal Society A, the findings went largely unreported by the Al Gore-smitten media.”
P.S. Cosmic rays pass through everyone’s head, including your diseased liberal brain.
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=45266
A good read.
Always Right = Psycho
Fox- appr. 1.35 mil viewers.
Msnbc, about 850,000. Cnn about 500,000.
(Might have those two swapped).
So, as you can see, viewership roughly reflects the popular vote.
Main stream new outlets suck!