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but wall street doesn't care. in all my 10 years as an apple stockholder i have never experienced something like this. all good news are ignored by the street and all bad news hammer the stock down even further. like yesterday as apple lost more than 3 % AFTER the presentation. makes you think something is wrong with you. aapl is so cheap now it is ridicilous and no one seems to see it. i don't get it.

magic word science as in "this is not rocket-science"

Mar 07, 08 - 12:03 pm Comment from: IEEE1394®

You could say Apple has given the best RIM job in history. Well, you could...

Now, the ONLY advantage RIM has is that they are not locked into one carrier for another 4 1/4 years, and their camera has a few more megapixels. That is it. Their only option is to copy the iPhone or really come up with something super duper that no one has ever thought of.
The chances of the latter are minimal.
They have to double the size of their screen, create a multi-touch environment with a great interface, and still have no OS or true SDK. I hope they don't die, but it does not look good for anything other than evolutionary rather than revolutionary for their future. They could do pink color for teenage girls and rust color for IT die hards. Lets not forget Apple had its Quicktake digital camera(I own one) in stores 10-12 years ago, so the iPhone camera thingy is only going to improve.
H-264 will integrate with their next camera offering.

Mar 07, 08 - 12:16 pm Comment from: ElderNorm

@RALPH,
Hey, I know it sucks that Apple stock is down at the moment. I cannot understand why (unless its a planned thing by wall street big wigs ?? ) but I am not complaining.

The stock finally got low enough for me to get a few shares. And if it goes under 120 again, I will try to get a few more. As the other companies fall under their own weight, Apple will be the only one standing tall. The stock will go up again. It may take a while but that is OK. I just want a chance to get my small share.

(wish I had 50K to spare. LOL That would make a nice savings egg when Apple doubles.

en

Ralph from Berlin: Right there with you man...I have added to my position over and over as AAPL has gone down...I am now 95% invested in AAPL for all my stock portfolio...I have moved mutual funds to AAPL, sold other securities....I just can't believe it continues to fall or stagnate.

The reality is that once earning post and people "get" that the iPod is no longer the story and that iPhone is the future, the market will pop...until then, invest any leftovers in antiacid!

"makes you think something is wrong with you. "

It takes that for an Apple fanboy to figure out there's something wrong with them?

The reason Apple stock is down is that the U.S. economy is headed for a mammoth recession. Today it was announced that the U.S. economy lost more jobs in February than it has in over 5 years. High-end consumer-product companies like Apple will suffer the most in this recession. You'll just have to wait it out until the next administration can fix some of damage.

Mar 07, 08 - 12:25 pm Comment from: Spark

Hold onto your AAPL. The entire market is taking a beating, and with elections this year you can bet on the continued drumbeat of the economy is in trouble rhetoric, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The key is that the market share movement is changing Apples position significantly. After the equities market consolidates, and starts making gains in general, you'll see Apple skyrocket.

My 2¢

Mar 07, 08 - 12:37 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Title should have read
"Jobs Blows RIM Goodbye Kiss of Death"

Mar 07, 08 - 12:39 pm Comment from: TowerTone

..or you could turn that around and use it for etiquette advice.

Okay, let's start a bet to see when Apple surpasses RIM in units sold.

I say by January 2009, and that's probably pretty conservative.

Aren't they already very close market share wise even before the 2.0 update is released? I could have swore I heard that RIM currently has a 41% market share to iPhone's 28%. If Apple is already that close before all of these enhancements, they'll defintely be blowing past RIM in market share by sometime in 2009.

RIMM has push technology for consumers as well as corporat - However apple only will have for corporates. is this corret or am i missing something?
tks

Mar 07, 08 - 12:50 pm Comment from: LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

@ralph,

The Apple iPhone SDK and enterprise event was a grand slam home run for Apple, but that is only about business fundamentals, not technical analysis -- TA, as it is referred to. As long as there are significant numbers of retail day traders playing with margins and options, the hedge funds will continue to stick a sucking money hose in their pockets and clean them out by driving the stock price down. That is what they do. They game the ones with shallow pockets and clean them out. I can't predict when we will hit bottom or if we are already there. I bet long term on the fundamentals and just ride out the manufactured volatility storm.

BTW, many of the posters on this board probably noticed my lack of posting for some time. I am battling pancreatic cancer, and I got the nasty kind, but it has not spread yet, so there is real hope that I can beat it. I was hospitalized for dehydration due to the adverse effects of chemotherapy and radiation, so my posting will remain very light.

can someone answer this pls,

Yahoo! Mail supports “push” email and can automatically deliver new email messages to your iPhone.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/questionsandanswers.html

Mar 07, 08 - 12:54 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

Best wishes for your health, my friend.

Mar 07, 08 - 12:56 pm Comment from: Magilla Gorilla

Good luck, LinuxGuy. Stay positive......

LinuxGuy:

Hope you get better! That's a horrible think to experience, I'm sure. We're glad you're here.

Mar 07, 08 - 01:04 pm Comment from: Uncle Al

@ LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

Praying for you.

I've already contacted our IT Department and requested that they start working on this... I can't wait.

All good to you LinuxGuy ...

Mar 07, 08 - 01:17 pm Comment from: Ampar

To LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon:
Hang in there, buddy.

Mar 07, 08 - 01:23 pm Comment from: makemineamac

LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon:

Have missed reading your observations on all things Mac.

Glad to hear it hasn't spread, and wish you nothing but the best for a speedy defeat, and a fast recovery.

LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon:

I Wish you all the best ! Here´s for you winning this battle !

= )

Sorrry for doubleposting, but this is probably the most stupid take I ´ve read on the SDK release :

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23510399/

(Yea I knows it´s MSNBC, but even though...)

Mar 07, 08 - 01:45 pm Comment from: Randian

@Heroin

So Bush is responsible for the housing collapse and the massitve subprime mortgage failures, eh? Hmmm. Seems to me that a whole bunch of people who pretended they were able to purchase houses beyond their means might be at least partially to blame here. Not to mention a huge number of liberals who refused to believe that the "American Dream" is actually--and truly--not something everyone can afford.

But then again, I TOO can't wait for the paradise that is returning to these hallowed shores with completely Democrat executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the US government. HALLELUJAH! Peace, prosperity, and a chicken in every pot are returning to my homeland! Thank God! (And just in time for me and about a gazillion other "seniors" to retire and bankrupt the coming heavenly administration!)

Mar 07, 08 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Woody

LinuxGuy, keep thinking positive, and we're all praying for the best possible outcome. All the best to you!

Mar 07, 08 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Denny

I added some AAPL at $160 and I added some todat. This stock is going to explode.

Mar 07, 08 - 02:04 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

Best wishes to you LinuxGuy.

LinuxGuy:

We've missed your presence here but try to keep the site hoppin' during your absences. Maybe if you're around today C1, Dave, Ampar, TT and the others will get to crush a troll.

Get well.

Just to be clear, Apple didn't really announce push corporate e-mail. They announced push e-mail for Microsoft Exchange. If you're not a Microsoft shop, you're screwed. Thanks Steve.

Mar 07, 08 - 02:17 pm Comment from: Ampar

Is today Troll Crushing Friday? Well, TGITCF.

Forgot to add RIM supports virtually every e-mail package around. My firm wants to switch from RIM to Apple, but because we don't use Exchange (or any other MS product), we're stuck.

Mar 07, 08 - 02:33 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

#1) best wishes, LinuxGuy, that's tough news.
#2) "'Apple answered the majority of objections that most IT professionals had to the iPhone as an enterprise device,' Baker said,"
Not even CLOSE to true! OK, that IS the objection most heard from IT, but it isn't the one nearest most of their hearts. The iPhone is an Apple product, something likely to get Apple's toes in the door. This is like suggesting to the Pope that the Vatican should rent rooms out to a lesser demon. The M$ clowns are as vile as the Mac clowns, maybe more so. Hard as that may be.
Dave
Do I get to spank a troll today? Whee!

Mar 07, 08 - 02:38 pm Comment from: Cubert

I said it back in June. By January 2009, more executives will be using an iPhone than a CrackBerry.

Mar 07, 08 - 02:41 pm Comment from: Cubert

@LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon,

That's terrible. I feel for you. I've taken care of several patients with pancreatic cancer.

If you need any free medical advice/second opinion (realizing that I am not an Oncologist - I'm double boarded in Internal Medicine and Pediatrics, so primary care basically) let me know via a post and I will post or send you (somehow) my email address.

Best of luck!

Cubert

Apple stock is down because, once the market has your money, you making a profit, is an illogical game. I would Invest in tangible goods, like real estate, so you always physically own something, or research my other financial investment options at bankrate.com , but seriously, Apple doing well, yet losing value is BS, WTF?

Mar 07, 08 - 02:47 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon - praying for you man. Like others have said, keep a positive outlook and don't be afraid to get second, third, and even fourth opinions. I'm really hoping and praying you pull through.

Mar 07, 08 - 03:26 pm Comment from: Timbo

LinuxGuy: Best wishes and prayers from our family.

Mar 07, 08 - 03:34 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Yes, Linux Guy, good luck.

It is clear that you have the support of all the MDN posters, left and right (and maybe even a few trolls).

Get well friend, and stay in touch.

Mar 07, 08 - 04:29 pm Comment from: Norrin Radd

@Randian

I think you're right on the money!!! Keep preaching brother.



Of course, a $3 trillion war expenditure couldn't possibly have an impact on our domestic economy....

@LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon - Best wishes to you - that is very tough to hear. Get well - right now.


Mac stock - my guess on the poor Apple showing. Most big investors and stock companies are heavily vested into Microsoft (i.e. mutual funds etc). Billions. If Apple starts doing well - Microsoft (shares) will start losing value faster and faster. So, Apple needs to stay down to protect their Microsoft investment.
Just a guess.

RIM does not have any advantages. They had few but not anymore.
They are toast. RIP.

RIM still has some advantages. Get a grip. One advantage is that there are millions of Blackberries out there that aren't just going to be dumped. BES has awesome services.

I'm really happy to see iPhone starting to catch up, but you people really do not understand business.

Mar 08, 08 - 11:43 am Comment from: marko

@Randalan

Actually, yes... the Bush administration and its Republican no-oversight congress allowed for a fiscal climate that supported dangerous and debilitating loan practices. In order to fund the war, Bush did not veto a single spending bill... creating the largest deficit in the history of the US... I am not saying the democrats will do better, but at least B. Clinton left the country with a considerable budget largess.

Regarding AAPL stock... No company will manage to soar in the stock market with this present climate. The structural problems are so huge, fundamentals do not really make a difference in the short term. It will require a long time for this market to turn around... and it will not be comfortable for most of us.

Mar 08, 08 - 11:45 am Comment from: marko

@LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon - be well, friend... hope you are comfortable and strong... this is one tough road...

To LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon.

You are a great contributor to MDN, and while I'm not sure how you have done this in the past - I certainly look forward to many more from you in the future.

-

"Never measure the height of a mountain, until you have reached the top. Then you will see how low it was."
Dag Hammarskjold

Mar 09, 08 - 10:03 am Comment from: MacSheikh

@ LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

May you always have the strength to fight on. Don't know you at all, but as a fellow human being, you'll be in my prayers.