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Oct 21, 09 - 06:39 pm Comment from: Jubei

"'That's why they've got 75,000 applications -- they're all trying to make the Internet look decent on the iPhone.'"

Wow all 75K apps are just for the internet to look decent on the iPhone alone? Thats a lot of Apps.

"May he remain Microsoft's CEO for as long as it takes! And, it's officially over 85,000, you bald ape."

Amen to that MDN!

Oct 21, 09 - 06:39 pm Comment from: Msavwah

Lol ballmer is like Manson at a parole hearing

Oct 21, 09 - 06:45 pm Comment from: silverhawk

"Mintz reports" doesn't read properly. Was the article an opinion piece? It certainly is not reporting. How much do you think the AP got from M$?

Oct 21, 09 - 06:48 pm Comment from: Follower

That's got to be one of the most delusional quotes from Ballmer yet. And that's saying a lot.

LOL!

I *almost* feel sad for him. What else can he say... !! :D

Btw:

This is how is sounds when a company (if you even can call it that), like M$ is eaten alive!

Oct 21, 09 - 07:00 pm Comment from: jjjj

91k apps and growing!!!

Windows anything is bullshit and a waste of money.
Always has been and always will be.

So say we all.

Oct 21, 09 - 07:02 pm Comment from: DreamTheEndless

Wow Ballmer, wow... It's statements like this that show just how out of touch with reality he really is... If I were a shareholder I would certainly be questioning his leadership right now. I mean, he can't even grasp the most basic principals of the device that has changed the landscape for consumer electronics more than any other since the iPod. (Of course, he couldn't grasp the most basic principals of the iPod either, so I guess I'm not surprised...)

How much mis-management are his shareholders going to allow?

Oct 21, 09 - 07:03 pm Comment from: Greg L

Say… now there’s some spin. Take Apple’s 75,000 apps vs. Microshaft’s 20 and declare that it is evidence that the world is busy trying to shoehorn the Internet onto the iPhone to make it “look decent.”

Gawd! I love Ballmer. Please, no one replace the guy. It’s like Apple has American Apache helicopters and all Microsoft has is Taliban in sandals.

I want Kylie to fall into a pool of piranhas...

Ballmer is great. He's my new best friend. I wonder what he's gonna say when AAPL destroys his beloved netbooks.

Tim Cook is right about that because through all these years, Windows have always been a Mac no matter how you look at it. And I don't know why Windows users that suffers on the PC doesn't know that it's time to switch to a better computing experience that doesn't have problems.

Simplify your life, only on a Mac

"...the timing was intended to steal some of Microsoft's thunder," she said. The only thunder coming out of microsoft sounds like a fart in church to these ears.

"...By better aligning those components, Microsoft and computer makers could get some of the same benefits, and cooler PCs could squash Apple's gains. ..."

"...cooler PCs..." ?!
Yeah, that'll be the secret to Windows-only computer success over Apple; paint the Win-boxes in new, mod colours, and add neat-o logos!

Heehee! That Ballmer… I wonder if Apple uses any clever negotiation tactics to help keep him in power over at Microsoft.

Oct 21, 09 - 07:50 pm Comment from: ken1w

MSFT would sky-rocket to $50 from the current $25-26, if the Microsoft board fired Steve Ballmer (or he stepped down) and replaced him with just about anyone else (except maybe Pink "mastermind" Roz Ho). "Ballmer T. Clown," indeed...

Even as Windows 7 was gearing up for release, Windows users decided to "Get a Mac" in record numbers last quarter. That means it will be business as usual for Apple, whether Windows is Vista or 7. If anything WIndows 7 will remind Windows users they need to upgrade their creaky old XP machines, and even more of them will decide to "Get a Mac."

Don't get me wrong here; the majority will buy another Windows PC. But if Apple can get even one in five of those shoppers to buy a Mac instead, that will be a huge win for Apple. And I think Apple can get (at least) one in five customers upgrading from Windows XP to go Mac.

Oct 21, 09 - 07:56 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

I'd like to see a list of all the 'MDN Take' insults directed at Ballmer. They've come up with some real doozies!

My favorite MDN take of all time! "Ballmer T. Clown strikes again. May he remain Microsoft's CEO for as long as it takes! And, it's officially over 85,000 (apps), you bald ape."

As far as his statement that the internet wasn't designed for the iPhone. What the moron fails to understand is that the iPhone was designed for the internet.

Geez that guy is such an imbecile.

Oct 21, 09 - 08:24 pm Comment from: Ting

'Let's face it, the Internet was designed for the PC. The Internet is not designed for the iPhone,' Ballmer said. 'That's why they've got 75,000 applications -- they're all trying to make the Internet look decent on the iPhone.'

There are a number of fundamental errors in Ballmer’s position in making this statement:

What design?
The internet was not ‘designed’ as it was a case of principles and standards being worked out in an incremental and innovative manner by the likes of DARPA, Sir T B-L at CERN et al. And then a whole bunch of developers across the World applying their creativity to render an cyber world that even Gates himself had totally missed and subsequently tried to gain control of!

No innovation
He seems to have a strong belief in not permitting innovation in the World and it seems to correlate well with the ‘copying’ approach they use in his company. The principles that enabled the growth of the Internet may have been set at a time when computers were indeed big boxes. But I doubt very much that those involved in setting these principles would have ever assumed that the boxes would NOT ever decrease in size to the point where MacOSX runs on an iPhone with Safari as it’s method for surfing.

Internet Explorer 6 under threat
Yes, Internet Explorer is under threat as the ‘inflicted’ de facto standard a web designer must comply with to gain traffic and Ballmer doesn’t like it a bit. The notion that Safari (whether on an iPhone or a Mac) might displace IE6 has got him rattled.

The ‘PC’ as in ‘Personal Computer’
The iPhone (and the tablet that Apple WILL deliver) is going to turn his world upside down as true personal computing will finally be done right and delivered. I’m sure it gets him worked up because this is going to come from a company outside the Microshaft “sphere of sheep and lemmings”. He will denigrate the tablet just as he did the iPhone (remember his “$500 for a phone!” gaff?)

Lastly, he cannot be serious in suggesting all 75,000 apps are for using the internet...

It is fascinating that Ballmer downplays the number of applications available for the iPhone.

I thought that his rationale for using PC's was that there are so many applications available for them - unlike the Mac (not taking into account of course that Macs can run Windows...)

"Now, PC makers are starting to experiment with size, shape and color at all price levels."

Bzzt.

PC Makers are starting to experiment with size, shape, and color at the premium level. The problem is, they're also competing in cheap, cheap, cheap. So, assuming I'm buying a Windows PC, I have a choice between an attractive $1200 laptop running Windows 7 and an ugly $600 laptop running Windows 7. I'd probably buy the $600 laptop.

Mac users get attractive design by default. Because Apple has no legitimate competition, you don't really have a choice but to pay $1200 for the attractive laptop (and Mac OS X and iLife and all those other great things that Apple provides).

I've often theorized that if Apple sold a Mac in an ugly PC case and passed that savings on, it would be the most popular Mac ever sold. We all like attractive computers, but given the choice between spending on an attractive computer or saving money on an ugly one, the vast majority of people would rather have the money.

"Unit sales are meaningless without healthy margins, Jessica."

Which is why it took Apple so long to add a "Top Grossing" column to the iTunes App Store. Because it's all about the number of units shipped. 99¢ apps don't have healthy margins, but if you sell a lot of them you can make good money. Of course, you have to sell a lot of them.

Apple sold something like 3,050,000 Macintoshes last quarter. In 2Q 2009--not a great quarter--38,000,000 Netbooks shipped. That's more than 12x the number of Macintoshes shipped in Apple's "Best Quarter Ever." So, yeah, if you can make $1 off of shipments of 38,000,000, that's pretty good money. Of course, in the Windows PC world, there is more than one company selling hardware, so that $38,000,000 gets shared among more than one company so each company doesn't end up doing so hot, even if collectively the money is good.

"'Let's face it, the Internet was designed for the PC. The Internet is not designed for the iPhone,' Ballmer said. 'That's why they've got 75,000 applications -- they're all trying to make the Internet look decent on the iPhone.'"

I gotta admit--he has a point with this one.

I've seen lots of Apps on the App Store that are glorified web pages. Applications like Yelp, eBay Mobile, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, AllRecipes, Chipotle, NYTimes, MLB, etc are all basically glorified web pages. They don't do anything you couldn't do with a dedicated iPhone web page.

Visit sigalert.com for an example of an iPhone web page. You can use pinch to zoom in and out. It can get your location and show you the traffic where you are. The navigation works just like an App. About the only thing you don't get is access to the motion sensor.

Oct 21, 09 - 08:30 pm Comment from: MacRaven

Ballmer. What a dork.

I think it's too insulting to the intelligence of Monkeys to call him Monkey Boy Ballmer anymore.

Dx and Connor Macbook you are both wrong.
The quote is "allowing Apple to attack with ads that pit a dorky office stiff (PC) against a casual creative type (Mac) and paint Vista PCs as unjustifiably complex," the key to this is she is saying Apple is painting PCs as unjustifiably complex, but Apple is justified in this as MS makes them more complex then they have to be, she is criticizing Apple for pointing out MS flaws, this is not a pro Apple "report".

Oct 21, 09 - 08:42 pm Comment from: HMCIV

"...leading such PC makers as Dell Inc. and Hewlett-Packard Co. to add 'multitouch' screens that respond to finger gestures."

Hey cool. Now my Dell Inspiron will actually do something when I flip it off!

Oct 21, 09 - 08:52 pm Comment from: anypats

Does anyone actually believe that Kylie figured out how to do the things she did on her own? Of course she was coached on what to do and in what sequence. Also, it seems like they are wanting to cater to the home user. Is the businessman enticed to buy a PC with Win7 over cutsey commercials with kittens, rainbows, and unicorns?

75,000 apps to make the Internet look better?! Are you kidding me? Okay, there are some apps made to make Internet pages more user friendly on a small screen. But what percentage of apps fall into that category? Take out all the games, productivity apps, and a plethora of other categories and that leaves a very small percentage of apps remaining.

It seems that Apple has the right idea only selling 3M computers over the 38M netbooks sold. While you have PC makers continually see losses and profits plummeting, Apple continues to make money and post record earnings. Any smart businessman will tell you that the quantity sold doesn't matter if profits aren't made. A lot of people may think that selling 100 items for $1 each is the same or better as selling 2 items for $50 each. However, if 95% of the 100 items are crap or crap disguised as something else, those that paid $50 are going to be much happier.

Oct 21, 09 - 09:00 pm Comment from: Olmecmystic

If there is a god, Steve Ballmer will still be CEO of M$ in the year 2020. Let's enjoy another 10 years of good belly laughs at his expense!

Let's also enjoy watching Microsoft (aka The Titanic) hit the iceberg and sink. The very thing nobody ever thought would happen except, of course, the entire Apple community and Steve Jobs and his band of merry men.

Peace.
Olmecmystic

Oct 21, 09 - 09:02 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

Actually, it's true, those 85k apps DO make the internet look better. Now, what can we do about that piece of **** that is Internet Explorer? How can you dress up that piece of **** so that the internet looks better?

Oct 21, 09 - 09:09 pm Comment from: iQuack

"Ballmer T. Clown strikes again. May he remain Microsoft's CEO for as long as it takes! And, it's officially over 85,000, you bald ape."

~ So Say We All!

What other than clueless babble do u expect from the Ass Press...

If I read this article correctly, the bottom line is : Windows and PC makers are trying desperately to catch up with macs.

Oct 21, 09 - 09:48 pm Comment from: John

Has Ballmer (T. Clown) even looked over the apps in the app store?? Very few are to make the internet browsing experience better. Many are to do things no one thought possible even 5 years ago. Take AR for one category.

He has, a) no idea what's in the app store (and is thus an uninformed idiot), or, b) he knows what he's up against but thinks by ignoring it in the media he'll fool people into continuing buying his crap (and thus is the queen of denial). Either way, may he stay in charge as long as it takes!

Oct 21, 09 - 09:50 pm Comment from: John

@Mark S. You don't live in Clemson, do you?? If so, helooooo!

Oct 21, 09 - 10:02 pm Comment from: raginghard

Comment from Peter Oct 21, 09 - 09:25 pm:

"I've often theorized that if Apple sold a Mac in an ugly PC case and passed that savings on, it would be the most popular Mac ever sold."

Then you don't know Apple very well, do you?

Oct 22, 09 - 12:06 am Comment from: Jubei

Hey Ballmer, the Fart Apps made my internets look better! Ahahahaha

I had to go back and read the quote again: The Internet is designed for the PC, not the iPhone… The Internet grew from the world of UNIX workstations. What OS do Balmer's PCs run? What OS do iPhones run? that big fat rounding error got it completely backwards (again)!

Balmer reminds me of former Iraq minister of information, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (Baghdad Bob).

On April 7, 2003, al-Sahhaf claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. At that time, American tanks were patrolling the streets only a few hundred meters from the location where the press conference was held.

Oct 22, 09 - 01:26 am Comment from: critic

"I mean, he can't even grasp the most basic principals of the device that has changed the landscape for consumer electronics more than any other since the iPod."

How could he grasp anything about the iPhone or any Apple products, as he has banned all of them from the MS campus and his home?

He has probably never seen one in person. He just has his yes-men telling him that the iPhone is just a rounding error.

I'm an Apple fanboy, but because of the lack of matte screens on Macs, it means that Windows 7 is a reason why I would now consider a PC again.

In this period when Apple has refused to provide matte screens, I've gone through a process where now all my data lives in the cloud, e.g. critical data is in Dropbox or stored on Amazon's Jungle Disk, all email data is in IMAP. All files are OS-independent.

That means I can switch back to Windows without any trouble.

Look, I'm the first to tell you that going back to Windows is a kick in the guts for me. It's that bad. But I will not use a glossy screen because of the eystrain it causes, and I'm not the only one who feels that way. See the over 600 petition comments at http://macmatte.wordpress.com -- if you feel the same, please add your petition too.

News flash: The Internet was designed for the iPhone.

Well, even if all the apps were to try and make the internet look decent on the iPhone, at least there are people who are trying. The internet looks absolutely shit on Microsoft devices, but where are the apps trying to make it look better. Nothing Balmer says stands up whichever way you look at it.

Jesus Christ.

First of all, if the lack of a matte screen makes you consider switching to Windows, then either A., you don't really care what OS you're using, B. you're lying about being a Mac user, or C. you're an idiot.

Second, you can take a nice matte PC display and just fucking plug it in to a Mac, or use a matte overlay, or replace it with a matte screen. You keep whining about how Apple doesn't give you an option as you sit there refusing to excersize your own options to solve the problem on your own. This lends credence to B and C.

Third, your petition has collected a staggering 632 replies... Can you sense the sarcasm? Apple just sold 3 million Macs, up 17% from the same quarter last year. If they introduced a matte screen option and as a result every single person on your petition bought a new Mac, then sales would be up by an extra... 0.02%. What motivation could Apple have to cater to a potential 0.02% of the market at their own expense, a portion of the market which, I might add, is too lazy and/or stupid to just obtain a matte display?

Fourth, go ahead. Switch to Windows 7. Do it. You'll be able to use a wide range of matte displays. Of course, you can also use the very same wide range of matte displays with a Mac, but you've apparently forbidden yourself from doing that for some reason. This, too, lends credence to B and C.

So which is it then? Are you lying or are you an idiot?

Oct 22, 09 - 05:22 am Comment from: MizuInOz

MacMatte...
You have not looked at the Apple Store lately have you?

And if you really feel that matte is where it's at - you can purchase a matte screen "film" for any size Apple computer monitor screen or there is a place that will actually convert your shinny screen for a dull one...

BUT I do have a question for you... How does your phuquen comment relate to the topic of Monkey Boy and his ludicrous ridiculous comments?

Oops, I answered my own question! You were in a copy cat mode.

As for M$ and Wind-blows 7. Saw it on a confuser today and I was not impressed. At all. And I have to have a couple (forcing gag reflex to stop as I type) of M$ powered PCs to operate a CNC mill and a Microscope camera, so I wanted to see if there was any real sweetness to the Newness...

I will quote Phil - "Windows 7 is still Windows"

First. Be practical. My table top is about 1.5 meters. If I put a 27" whopping big glossy screen on it, what's my table top going to look like if I place an equally whopping big matte screen PARTICULARLY if I only want to use the matte screen. So, you think that is practical, to have a whopping big 27" gloss screen, so that I can attach a matte screen. And is it practical to have a whopping big glossy screen on my desk, when I spend all the time looking at the ancillary matte screen? Be real.

Second, reports indicate that matte overlays on the glossy screen are very difficult to apply without bubbles and entrapped dirt. You want to spend several thousand dollars on a beautiful Mac, and then put some film on it with bubbles and dirt spots, and stare at that ugly sight for years. You want to pay money for that?

Third, if you actually read the http://macmatte.wordpress.com - you'll see that there is a link that summarises online poll results. If fact, rather than looking at that poll summary, YOU do a google search for Mac Glossy Matte Poll, and you'll see a trend that around 40% prefer matte. In a MacRumors poll, it showed that around 40% prefer matte, although about half of those are willing to suck it in and buy glossy - but half of those refuse.

Fourth, the only Macs I can use matte with are the lowest grade Mac Mini, or the most expensive Mac Pro. Even someone like you can appreciate that, if you were given only those two options, you'd be aggravated too.

Fifth, your use of "Jesus Christ" as a swear word indicates you don't believe that He is God. Of course, you don't agree, but you've got a 50/50 chance of being right on that one. But, if you're wrong -- and there's plenty of evidence that He is -- then you're backing a loser. Here's a tip. The central evidence of Jesus Christ is the resurrection. If the resurrection happened, then He is God. Sure, lots of people deny that, but examine the evidence for yourself.

Oct 22, 09 - 05:50 am Comment from: Hm...

Wow. I'm now officially "old enough" to remember when the AP was a credible news source. These days, AP is just an expensive shill for its overlords. Such a shame---its getting incredibly hard to find a reliable news source (on any topic).

Oct 22, 09 - 06:16 am Comment from: MizuInOz

MacMatte... did you miss your Wednesday Night prayer meeting? There is ZERO historical evidence of the existence of some guy from Israel dying and resurrecting. (or any other country for that matter)... BUT if you as a fully grown adult need to talk to the voices in your head so that you can be judgemental and sanctimonious about every-phuquen-thing in your life. Go for it! But leave your religion at home or in church - this is a technology blog (in case you didn't notice). There are many people here who just may not believe in your particular brand of spiritual blackmail and delusion. And, Heaven forbid, there may be some who do not accept any form of spiritual mind games.

So knock that s.hi.t. off....

As for your desires to have a 27 incher on a 1.5 meter table top... 1.5 meters is over 4.5 feet... how much space do you need? and you can get the matte finish sheet attached for you, if you are such a ditz that you can't do it yourself.

As for your lack of response to the facts of the market forces you and your "matte screen" ilk are generating - it is indicative to me of your willingness to ignore facts and the real world because you are so caught up in hope of a better "somewhere" else.

Get real. Quit lying to yourself. You are a closet Windows user. So, just switch back and don't bother us here again.

Whew!

@MizuInOz

Ouch. A closet Mac user. What an insult Actually, I use PC for running business software that won't run on Mac, and have VMWare polluting my iMac and MBP.

I've used Macs since the 512Mac - try beating that! I've had Macs throughout my life. Right now, I have two iMacs and two Mac notebooks. All matte. And I can't upgrade because of lack of matte in the new models.

If you want to continue the discourse on the resurrection topic, email me at the macmatte website.

'That's why they've got 75,000 applications -- they're all trying to make the Internet look decent on the iPhone.'"

According to Ballmer's logic, the PC has hundreds of thousands of apps because they are trying to figure out how to make the internet look decent on the PC.

Oct 22, 09 - 07:44 am Comment from: CYxodus

Windows wasn't designed for the internet, hence all the viruses and exploits.

"It's the software, stupid."

That's why a Psystar is as good as a Mac.