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Oct 01, 08 - 11:25 am Comment from: Jay-Z

About time - this will be a great step for Apple and developers.

Oct 01, 08 - 11:26 am Comment from: tmsruge

About damned time! Geeez!
Now how about working on a uniform set of rules on what those said developers can or cannot waste their time and money on...

http://projectdiaspora.org

Oct 01, 08 - 11:34 am Comment from: Anonymous©

Something the critics don't seem to have is patience. They keep forgetting this is new territory for Apple. Just give it time, Apple is reasonable, they'll figure it out. Don't need to rip them a new one.

Oct 01, 08 - 11:35 am Comment from: Jamie

Well done Apple. And I agree with Anonymous©, Apple are a reasonable company and it is in their interests to protect their stuff.

Oct 01, 08 - 11:39 am Comment from: Cubert

A compromise on Apple's part with a reasonable explanation - a small win.

They indirectly attributed the NDA change to developer feedback. Perhaps "ripping them a new one" was indeed required to bring this about in the first place.

Oct 01, 08 - 11:41 am Comment from: Robnick

Buy a couple shares of AAPL while its low. Then you will realize that Apple is protecting your, an AAPL owner, money. All of a sudden it will make much more sense!

Oct 01, 08 - 11:42 am Comment from: thethirdshoe

Those books waiting in the wings should be well tweaked.

Oct 01, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: Jubei

Then why are all these knock offs are sprouting like wildfire looking more and more like the iPhone UI?

Maybe now those frigtards will finally shaddup. Knowing how much they whine about everything, it probably won't.

@Jubei

i believe they made a rule about UI not being able to be copyrighted... i think thats how windows one on that specific lawsuit.. or were arguing that fact, and settled out of court or something like that.

Big woop. Give us background apps you pussies.

Oct 01, 08 - 12:11 pm Comment from: Jubei

@Peruchito

Thats crazy. So Apple will just continue to create these amazing stuff, and anyone can copy it? That doesn't sound right.

It's about time! Way to go Apple!

To all the "about time" commenters... grow up please.

In a situation where the entire platform is just over a year old and the app store is only a few months old, saying that anything is "taking forever" or "way overdue" or "about time" any of a wide selection of similar remarks is just ridiculous hyperbole.

You might want to stick to reasonable, factual arguments instead of just hyping up over-emotional statements about your "feelings."

(I'm assuming here that the commenters are over the age of twelve, apologies to all the kiddies that posted the same thing)

I don't know who's happier right now: the developers or Microsoft.

Does this mean that I can finally download iFart!

Yeah!!! People in elevators better watch out!
If only I could use it remotely. Much better than the old days of putting a whoopie cushion under out living room couch when my sister and her boyfriend sat.

"Just give it time, Apple is reasonable, they'll figure it out. Don't need to rip them a new one."

Don't be silly. Apple is only easing up because developers are ripping them a new one and threatening to go elsewhere.

Lets face it, it was silly. For how many other platforms could you not write a "how to" book or discuss programming techniques on the Internet?

So let me offer you an alternative. Apple is a stupid unreasonable company who is secretive and used to selling to sycophants. They're struggling to deal with moving past that and attract the wider community to their platforms.

Do you think if people hadn't "Whined" as Ed Anger puts it, anything would have changed?

Yet another reason why Apple is so far above the rest.

If you are an example of the wider community, Apple has just made a big mistake.

Oct 01, 08 - 12:57 pm Comment from: alansky

Hooray for Apple! Hooray for the iPhone!

Oct 01, 08 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Predrag

It is rather amusing how there are people who seriously believe that the complaining about the NDA had anything to do with Apple's decision to partially remove the restriction. Apple is a $100B company. They have many quite intelligent people working for them, who know a lot of things individually, and even much more when put together.

It is very clear to me that this was a reasonable strategy, much like the SDK in the first place. If you look at the time line of the iPhone, things were arriving to it slowly. The iTunes mobile store, the SDK, 3G, GPS, App Store... There is no reason for Apple to make everything available right away, and every reason against it. This makes perfect sense for very many reasons, and to even think for a moment that some group noise from a buch of self-important developers could have made any relevance is seriously delusional.

Oct 01, 08 - 01:32 pm Comment from: John Crawford

@Please

Thank you.

Developer = Gonad

Oct 01, 08 - 01:58 pm Comment from: Gunboat Smith

So we can now freely talk about development of an app that could still, in the end, be rejected by Apple?

Oct 01, 08 - 02:09 pm Comment from: G4Dualie

Not a single developer has posted to this thread, including Please, who is experiencing his menstrual cycle and just wants to bitch about something, anything. It doesn't matter what, their lives are so miserable and just like John Crawford, is having a Kumbaya feel-good moment commiserating with themselves.

Liberal pussies!

Smart move Apple! Now developers can talk to each other about coding for the iPhone when the have had a program released. This I'm very sure will be the start of some really nice apps!

If the US economy wasn't soo bad I'd go back in AAPL!

Oct 01, 08 - 03:11 pm Comment from: NCIceman

This was very much needed in order for the iPhone developer community to share knowledge. As a new iPhone and relatively new Cocoa developer, I have been very dependent on what resources I could scrounge on the net. This will help grow that community greatly.

Now Apple needs to step up and post development guidelines for what will or won't make the App Store. Right now the situation is just too anti-competitive and anti-free speech.

But wait! It's only for released software! So, the NDA will still apply to those that Apple screws over in not accepting their software and not providing any decent reasons.

This is like the Emancipation Proclamation applying only to areas the Union did not control! It's sneaky, that's for sure!

Oct 01, 08 - 03:40 pm Comment from: jwdav

"It has happened before"

Did you ever compare the original Mac OS toolbox with the toolbox from Windows 3 & 95? If you didn't know whose toolbox you were looking at, you sure couldn't easily tell from the code - many of the system calls had the same names and were virtually identical. "Inside Macintosh" got you halfway towards Windows programming in the early days.

Microsoft, as an Apple developer, was certainly able to borrow heavily from the early Mac SDK.

The iPhone SDK NDA didn't prevent anyone from learning about SDK contents - all a competitor had to do was join the developer group. It was another barrier to preventing competitors from using that information without getting their pants sued off. In other words, a barrier to competitors who joined the dev program.

I never thought that Apple was concerned about small developers talking to each other, but rather that it was part an "anti-Scully" give-away prevention program.

......someone's not read that GQ article thats getting fanbois to put their heads thru a NOOSE in readyness in droves for the loss of the sole MASS brainwasher of dumb gullibles himself?


The IRONY of you stating other peoples lives are miserable, when within a year the meaning of your pathetic existence - Jobs + Jobs' Apple will cease to exist, to leave with nothing but an unbearable pointless vacuum which you will never be able to fill by yourself :D

I've got a different take on this whole NDA thing. Let's take a walk down memory lane for perspective. Remember when the initial iPhone came out and it was too expensive? They lowered the price. This was purposeful and they planned this. The high initial price got the situation LOTS of press. Press is press--there is no negative press when it gets people talking about the iPhone. Remember? It got a lot of buzz, both up front and then especially when they lowered the price. Good Apple. Doing what Microsoft never does....LISTENING.

This instance uses the same tactic in manipulating the media. Talking about the NDA situation got free press--visibility. Mean old Apple. Then when they "cave" they look like this "responsive, caring company that LISTENS" (just like for lowering the iPhone price).

Neither of these were accidents. It is the PR machine of Apple at work. They are shrewd and purposeful. They wait until the outcry reaches a near tipping point, then they give in with masterful timing. Steve loves to be the puppetmaster.

You heard it here first!
-mmmmark

"Please, who is experiencing his menstrual cycle"

If you don't think developers being able to buy good books on development for a platform or share problems, coding techniques and and tips on the Internet is essential for a successful platform, then you've clearly never done any kind of software development, so really aren't qualified to make any sort of comment.

"They have many quite intelligent people working for them,"

An NDA that prevented developers discussion how to use the platform was a very dumb idea. At least on the business side, Apple seems to mostly learn by doing dumb things then fixing them rather than spotting obvious stupid mistakes from day one.

Oct 02, 08 - 12:25 pm Comment from: G4Dualie

In the jail break community there weren't any books or guidlines and that place was thriving long before Apple opened up these devices to developers. There weren't any fart apps either!

I stand by my words about the 'miserable' among you. More like malcontents who have discovered a world outside of the Microsoft bubble.

Apple bashing is a new sport for some of you but I've been listening to it for twenty-nine years and the longest running line has been the one about "Apple is Doomed!" Mr. GQ thinks he's being original, heh, heh.

The newest line being posited is that Apple's death will follow Jobs' but I don't believe that for a minute. That the Market will be brutal on Apple shares when hearing the news of Jobs' retirement, I have no doubt but, many of us will see this as a strategic buying opportunity and Jon Ive is more than ready to fill the vacuum.

Many of you came to Apple by way of the iPod or iPhone, and that's fine. You're learning that tethered to that device is a company with a long turbulent history of shaking up the status quo. (How many of you are bitter veterans of the MegaHertz War, hmm?) But hear me now and pay me later, Apple will still be here for the rest of our lives.

Tech company's a lot bigger and brighter than Apple have already gone down in flames and who's still standing? Apple was burned by Gates because of an ill-defined NDA and it won't happen again, ever.

Bitch all you want, but Apple just gave birth to the next computing platform and Knife the Baby is not in this kids future.