MacDailyNews - Where Mac news comes first

Don't get TOO bummed out over this ... my wife's new (Aluminum) iMac has a memory leak that requires watching. I have to reboot after a session of WoW.

DLMeyer - the Voice of G.L.Horton's Stage Page Pod Cast - now featuring The Playwright's Dilemma

"Don't get TOO bummed out over this ... my wife's new (Aluminum) iMac has a memory leak that requires watching. I have to reboot after a session of WoW"

Isn't it poorly written software that causes memory leaks, not hardware?

FOF,

Actually his memory leaked out all over the table, definitely hardware. =)

"Isn't it poorly written software that causes memory leaks, not hardware?"

Hahahahahahahahaha! Good catch. I read the statement and just kind of glossed over it, but you're absolutely right.

Isn't it poorly written software that causes memory leaks, not hardware?

DLMeyer isn't about to let a little thing like details get in the way of bashing Apple products.

I bet the guys from 'Flight of the Conchords' are bummed...

Come on Apple, let's not let it slip through the cracks.

I'm not going to get a new iMac because my old one suddenly stopped working. I can't stand a product that just drops dead in the middle of using it.

For some reason, when it died it took with it my TV, the ceiling light, a stereo, and clock radio. In fact the entire room it was in went dark the same time as the iMac. I think it must be a memory leak.

My friends tell me I should check this thing called a "circuit breaker" in the basement, but I don't see how that would fix a memory leak.

I usually don't get a memory leak until the day I'm supposed to testify.

Can you take a memory leak?

You've been using my new iMac to play Wow? Jesus, Dan, why don't you go out and get a job, or at least clean up the place. I know it's not your fault the restaurant closed, but you have to put an end to this new slacker lifestyle of yours.

While product supply is obviously not a good thing, and I don't know the actual market share figures here, I'm guessing that it's indicative of the the progress that Macs are starting to make in NZ. Apple finally addressed the price issue about 6 months ago, and the new iMacs are now reasonably priced for what you're getting. I can now kill the "Macs are too expensive" objection at the tearoom table, and work on the other misconceptions.

Something's changing. Two colleagues are thinking of upgrading to a Mac when Leopard comes out. And there are rumours that Macs are starting to regain lost ground in Kiwi schools, thanks largely to some unfriendly pricing practices by Microsoft.

I read about this thing called a memory leak, so now I'm going to explain everything on it, since I'm stupid.

I read about this thing called a memory leak, so now I'm going to blame everything on it, since I'm stupid.

" . . . thanks largely to some unfriendly pricing practices by Microsoft."

What MS refers to as "the fall schedule".

Given that the new iMacs have only just been released, I don't see how this could have impacted on their last quarter profits.

I would have thought it would have been more due to the fact that they have been buying up other companies including the biggest Apple Reseller chain in NZ , MagnumMac and a local private Art & Design School.

Safari is showing 334 MB Real and 1.25 GB Virtual Memory. I''ve seen it go over 2 GB VM. That's when everything slows and I have to work through my multiple news tabs and close the app. Can't blame *that* on the hardware (dual G4 mirror). A new iMac will not fix that, but it would be nice anyway.

I bet Mike Vick wishes his his dogfighting partners had memory leaks.

Maybe they should look at the Zune.

I am sure they will not have a problem keeping them in stock

"I bet Mike Vick wishes his his dogfighting partners had memory leaks."

I'll bet he wishes he hadn't screwed the pooch. He'll still get work. In wrestling or arena football.

Depends®

Apple shoud make their products more available to New Zealanders - all three of 'em, in fact.

Wow, DL Meyer. Have you just graduated from the Advanced Stupidity class at your local college?

Can't buy Zunes in NZ hotinplaya. No Squirts for Us (NSFU).

@TMFreak

So that's what's wrong with the Federal government!! I thought a failure to testify was malicious in nature but it turns out to be a mental disability! Maybe Gonzalez et al can claim a disability pension.

They should not worry about not enough to sell
there service dept is Kra...py ..needs to get people who know what they are doing

Memory leaks are bad news for you MAC fanbois, Microsoft cured that with Vista already, the OS takes up all the memory so there is none left to spill. You can't edit memory leaks like you can the registry and buffer overflows can mostly be stopped by disabling DirectX, Windows Exploder, Java, Javascript, OutLook and almost anything else written by the fabulous Microsoft, even Vista - which magically gets rid of all of the problems you MACbois suffer.

Be social, get a life, get passion

DL Meyer
The voice of stupidity.

"Maybe Gonzalez et al can claim a disability pension."

Alberto has tried to make that claim but the clerk at the convenience store makes the confused man in his pajamas buy something or leave.

I never said the memory leak was caused by the hardware, I said it was present on the hardware. It is not present on my Dual G5. How can I tell? Apple was nice enough to provide us with an app called "Activity Monitor". You can monitor all sorts of things with this beauty, including Wired, Active, Inactive and Free Memory. I usually use it to monitor the CPU(s), but then her iMac locked up. So I checked - after the re-boot, of course. Interesting behavior ... the Inactive memory grew as I was using WoW (as in World of Warcraft, two capital Ws) and that memory was not returned to the "Free" pile when the program was killed. Nor did it return when I logged out. It did return when I did a Restart.
My Dual G5 does not see this creep and the memory is returned to the Free pile when the game is killed. So ... would the one of you who isn't the son of a rabid worm suggest how two otherwise similar "systems" - same OS, same apps - would behave so differently - except due to a memory leak. Which might, or might not, be caused by the OS?
And would someone else point out where I'm guilty of "bashing Apple"?
Thanks
Dave

The memory leak is in Safari and Safari only. If the OS were causing a memory leak it wouldn't show up in the activity monitor for Safari. I don't know why you say Safari doesn't cause a memory leak on your dual G5 when it does on mine. Always has.

Oops. I don't know about Safari 3. I de-installed it because Pith Helmet didn't support it.

The iMac has NOTHING to do with the memory leak.

It's a good idea to quit Safari every once in a while, and empty out its cache as well. Crud builds up, both memory allocation and bad cache entries.

It's difficult to get rid of all memory leaks in sloppy languages like Objective-C, C, or C++. It's even hard to get rid of all memory leaks in rigorous languages like Ada. So why not go with the flow, lower stress that's completely unnecesary (hence living longer), and do the simple maintenance?

MDN's headline is inaccurate - astronomical demand is never a factor in profits downgrades!

@DLmeyer

Your original statement clearly implied that it was the fault of the hardware. My point was merely that it couldn't be.

Also, WoW for PPC and WoW for Intel are NOT exactly the same code, so there may be issues with one that do not exist with the other. Unless you're having the same problem with other apps, it's probably the fault of WoW or how it's interacting with some of the hardware, not of Apple or its OS, and certainly not of the hardware itself as your post implied.

I would suggest the WoW Mac Tech support forum, as I find the people there, both Blizzard and otherwise, to be very helpful.

hahah NZ


cool. Thats where I'm from and I am awesome!

@Fighter of Freedom

The problem could indeed be with the hardware, provided you count firmware (the code embedded by Apple in the hardware) as hardware, which most people do. Early Mac ][ processors had similar problems which, since updatable firmware was not yet part of the state of the art, were corrected by special routines in the OS.

If the same code has a memory leak on the new iMacAl, but not on an Intel Mac mini, chances are we're looking at a firmware glitch.

Well at least Dan 'DL Meyer the Voice of..' has today stopped spamming this forum.

Perhaps he'll keep his big head below the parapet for a while.

The article is about Apple stock problems in Enzed not about some friggin' memory leak. What, you all don't give a damn about a shortage of Apple stock in another country. Talk about elitism. Jeez!

What has been missed in all the contributions is that living across the strait (in dear ol' Oz) there haven't been any stock shortages that I've heard of. Perhaps it's an Apple problem in NZ. Alternatively, perhaps Apple resellers underestimated demand for the new iMacs. However the problem seems to be limited to New Zealand and New Zealand alone.

Now back to your comments on one contributor because I don't want you to ignore that one person…just ignore the story. I mean that's just fine right?

Fighter of Freedom, your original comment was hardly the worst of those attacking mine, and thank you for answering. I think, though, you'll agree that my comment implied a system problem, not a hardware problem. Yes, it could be the difference between PPC and Intel, or the firmware, or the second stick of memory!
Yes, I ought to contact Blizzard about this ... except there's 848MB of Inactive memory right now (down from 1.1GB last night) and I have not run WoW since last reboot.
Bob C, hadn't thought of Safari. I'm running Safari 3 on my G5, Safari 2 here. I'd have thought, though, that a Beta would be more likely to have such a problem than software that's two years and ten updates on.
Walter Chillum, I did not intend to redirect this thread. My apologies that some here took the opportunity to bash me rather than to address the article.
As has been noted by one who restrained, a product less than a month old isn't likely to have caused a significant change in the past quarter's earnings. The iMacAl was not even available this past quarter, not arriving until half-way into this quarter, so it would seem strange that Renaissance would make such a claim.
Dave

@Walter Chillum

I appreciate your points. It's regrettable that the first post was from DL Meyer, whose persistent use of this forum for on-line advertising has evidently pissed off a lot of users. Couple that with an, at best, technically misleading, off-topic comment, and the scene was set for a major diversion. Many posters obviously couldn't wait to jump down his throat.

Hijacked threads are a fact of life on many forums, including MDN. Just try making a comment for or against George Bush and watch it run.

But you're correct. Apart from a pertinent comment from GimliNZ, the opportunity was lost for some discussion on NZ supply problems. These problems extend to Mac parts also. A year ago, I had to wait over a month for a power supply for a G5 iMac. At least we can blame you guys for that one. Apple Oz, who supply Mac parts to Godzone, was out of stock!

And DL Meyer, your Ad-free penance is noted and applauded.

Apologies accepted.

Walter

Kinda like Vista proclamations...