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Dec 10, 07 - 06:49 pm Comment from: ken1w

So that means iPhone with 3G will be significantly faster than any existing 3G phone for web browsing. Cool.

eat it!!!!!!!!

Dec 10, 07 - 07:00 pm Comment from: ChrisM

Just wait for the skeptics......

Dec 10, 07 - 07:00 pm Comment from: ron

The sites seem to be more useable on the iPhone, one would have to scroll around on the Nokia to ind an article or item.

Dec 10, 07 - 07:01 pm Comment from: ron

'find" that is.

Dec 10, 07 - 07:03 pm Comment from: G4Dualie

For my money, I like the look of the downloaded pages on the iPhone, rather than the small segment that shows up in the Nokia phone.

Also, the iPhone is probably having to load much more complicated formatting/etc. that is not supported by basic mobile web browsers.

Dec 10, 07 - 07:15 pm Comment from: occams razor

sheesh the layout on the Nokia looks crap, who builds the software?

Dec 10, 07 - 07:17 pm Comment from: ElderNorm

Hmmmm, notice how the iPhone looks like a web page and the Nokia looks like..........er........like......shit.

Just a thought.

Yeah, either way, that's waaaaaay too slow to be usable. I see why el Jobso thinks the issue of 2.5G vs. 3G is close to moot. Either way, you're not going to be doing much of this without using Wifi. Assuming you're sane.

I don't think having the two phones next to each other is a good idea for testing purposes. I have seen how much interference Razr phones and iPhones give out (I don't know about the new Nokia). I had my iPhone set on a table doing comparisons with some other PIM device (I think it was a Treo (??) or maybe a Blackberry) a few months back, and my iPhone was acting all wierd doing things "all by itself" before it struck me to separate them by a few feet. After that, the iPhone worked normally again.

Every time my old Razr used to ring, my 5G iPod, if placed near to the phone, would start changing its own volume, skipping around songs, backlight on/off, etc.

And of course, we've probably all heard nearby speakers buzzing when cell phones are checking for messages or about to ring.

I don't know if that would have any effect on this test from this article, but it was mainly me thinking out loud. Anyone with real knowledge out there about EMI and shielding or lack thereof?

I do plenty of surfing over edge, and I think it's just fine. Obviousely, wifi is way better, but for the most part, edge is just fine for me

Dec 10, 07 - 07:52 pm Comment from: MacMarc

The author also makes the point that it's faster to pull up and select a URL on the iPhone than it is on the Nokia.

Why compare with Nokia E61i and not like Nokia N95? E61i can only do 384 kbps but N95 can do 3,6 Mbps.

Dec 10, 07 - 07:54 pm Comment from: MacMarc

It's funny how the Nokia keeps turning the screen off. You would think that could be adjusted in a menu -- but also the Nokia should know that you're trying to pull up something on-screen.

Dec 10, 07 - 07:57 pm Comment from: Mac4lfe

@ Huck

Not so fast.
I work on the road and I regularly do online banking, purchases and such using Edge. The trick is that you dont have to wait until the site is fully loaded before you start reading or any other activity. I even manage to post to this site (MDN) over Edge. Granted it is slower to load than Many other.
Edge is also perfect for Google Maps.

the iPhone always wins.

GO HOME NOKIA... this is APPLES first try!

And you have been in the biz for how long!


Dougless

About the Fading out of the Nokia phone... this is video stroking... the refresh rate of the Nokia most likely is slower then the rate at which the video was taken... hence we get a fade out on ocassion.

If I am wrong then... perhaps it's the Nokia having a battery drain - a burp from a cel phone... if not then perhaps the iPhon is causing some interference.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. It Makes the iPhone LOOK even better.

W8Ago Apple!

Dec 10, 07 - 08:30 pm Comment from: KingMel

Did you notice the pulsing display of the Nokia, and the way that the screen kept dimming to save power. Highly annoying to say the least. Factor in the additional time required to scroll around to find what you want and the comparison (and Nokia) are done.

Game, set and match to iPhone. Next would-be contender, please...

Dec 10, 07 - 08:45 pm Comment from: DRM sucks

"Yeah, either way, that's waaaaaay too slow to be usable."

This is context dependent. If you are stuck somewhere without WiFi you not only have no other options, but probably have time to kill. If you are stuck somewhere without WiFi and just need an address, it certainly is not only usable, but useful.

Dec 10, 07 - 09:03 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

Hey... totally off topic, but the "Give Up On Vista" Mac/Pc add is on John Dvorak's listing page of articles for PCMag.com

Absolutely hilarious.

http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1738,3574,00.asp

Dec 10, 07 - 09:07 pm Comment from: Brau

Als übliches werden die Vorteile von 3G grob in einem vergeblichen
attemp übertrieben, um das iPhone zu erklären ist minderwertig.

Dec 10, 07 - 09:18 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Good thing they weren't loading MDN....

I think Youtube has a 20 minute time limit on videos. Probably why they didn't do the test on MDN

Dec 10, 07 - 09:46 pm Comment from: shen

while this is nice, i don't care as much about the speed...

look at the pages side by side that are displayed. if that nokia was capable of shame it wouldn't have displayed anything at all after the first page..... pathetic.

Dec 10, 07 - 09:51 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

I thought Nokias used the rendering engine that Safari's developers released back to the open-source community? KHTML or something? No?

Dec 10, 07 - 10:52 pm Comment from: MacSheikh

@ TowerTone

"I think Youtube has a 20 minute time limit on videos. Probably why they didn't do the test on MDN"

Ha! Ha! Ha! That's a gd one. :-D

"I think YouTube has a 20 minute time limit on videos. Probably why they didn't do the test on MDN."

LMFAO!

Dec 10, 07 - 11:05 pm Comment from: Arnold Ziffel

I use EDGE on my iPhone at work all the time, and I'm pleased. Sure, I'd rather be using Wifi, but the experience is good.

Have had our iPhone since 29 June and couldn't be happier with it.

forget about the speed, give me 32GB of storage!

Good one!!
I was going to make a similar crack, but you beat me to it...

Thats why when you see ads for these phones all you see or more like hear is them yammering. Talk talk talk about how fast it is, it has touch, it has music, it has this and that. Yet they never show it like an iPhone comercial. Why? Because they would be laughed at once people see how clumsy and archaic their phone system operates.

Dec 11, 07 - 02:29 am Comment from: TowerTone

Sorry, MDN. I was just the set up guy....

Dec 11, 07 - 02:34 am Comment from: Reality Check

What a pointless comparison. The Nokia only uses 3G UMTS which has a maximum speed of 384 kb/s, compared with the maximum 14 MB/s for 3G W-CDMA or 3.6 MB/s for 3G HSDPA. By contrast, the GPRS mode that the iPhone used runs at up to 140 kb/s. No wonder there is little difference.

Shame they didn't do the test on a phone that supported more recent 3G standards...

HA!

Glad I didn't get a iPhone, my PowerMac G5 loads web pages in mere seconds instead of minutes.

It's practically worthless.

"...while we debate whether we should be redesigning our Web pages..."

You could start by redesigning them so that load times aren't rubbish even on broadband. Sheesh.

I don't mind the EDGE speeds on the iPhone, except when it comes to checking my email. For some reason, that operation takes an unbelievably long time esp. compared to wifi, although I must admit trying to load an MDN page in iPhone-Safari makes me give up about 90% of the time, esp. as it tries to figure out the hidden ad tracking page or whatever that is.

Come on, MDN - fix it for us would you?

@@TowerTone - that was really funny! good one :O

"sheesh the layout on the Nokia looks crap, who builds the software?"
This is probably why Nokia's new phones use WebKit

Look how the iphone screen brightness outplays the nokio screen!

Ohh how nice, first MDN rants about all relevant things that was (purposely) left out in the "Wired ridiculously picks Microsoft Zune 80 over Apple’s 80GB iPod classic" article..and now they very smoothly "forgets" to mention that had this been a Nokia N95 vs. iPhone test with HSDPA/W-CDMA speeds there would have been no comparison to speak of.

How low, even for MDN..

The http://www.zeit.de site loaded in 30 seconds on my ancient Blackberry 8700g on T-Mobile in NYC. Same happens when I "Go To" MacDailyNews, it's SO much faster on the Blackberry that I've held off getting an iPhone.

Not surprising considering the iPhones processor is clocked at twice the E61s. And as someone else mentioned the difference in network speeds isn't so great.

Also the E61 browser is based on WebKit as well, so the mac fanbois can stop beating the dead horse already.

And if you hadn't noticed the E61i is loading the Flash content on the pages and the iPhone isn't.

During the test he mentions that he did not include the amount of time it would take to type a Web address on each phone, but he believes that it is faster on an iPhone. Also, he finishes by saying, basically, "Everyone can decide for himself which rendering looks better."