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I totally agree. What a waste of time. I can't believe that that a hacked iPhone/iPod is such a "holy grail" to spend such resources on keeping it hacked. It's all ego.

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The title of this MDN article is inaccurate. Access has been made to the root level, but this is still a ways from having third-party apps running again. As of now, 1.1.1 is still not completely cracked.

You know y'all spend months sqawking away at how the iphone is a "real" Mac. Now someone wants to use it as such and y'all ridicule them. The only thing "real" here is too much damn Kool Aid.

Well is it a "real" Mac or not? If it isn't then SJ wasted everyone's time by pushing back te release of Leopard for this wanna be Mac, and monopolizing MacWorld for this non-Mac product.

Just my $0.02

These people really need a day job. Why don't they try and find Osama Bin Laden?

Ray,

You sound like you could use a laxative. I can relate.

Ray, I take that back. I like being constipated.

Nice take. These people could spend their days doing something productive and making millions, or helping solve world hunger, but no, gotta crack the iPhone!!!

Weird nerds for sure.

In time Apple will have 3rd party apps, that cover 95% of what most people want/need, and that's 90% better than what the other "smart phones" in the market offer.

I don't think anyone has ever even suggested that iPhone is a real Mac. In fact, whenever anyone here casually (and mistakenly) said that iPhone is running Mac OS X, there was a rush of others correcting the statement that the OS is in fact OS X (not Mac OS X). There were even extensive debates over what constitutes Mac OSX and why iPhone is not running Mac OS X but just OS X, etc.

IPhone was designed to function like any other cellphone. It was NOT meant to compete with smart phones. It was NOT meant to be sold to businesses (actually, you can't even sign up for a business plan with an iPhone). People are desperately trying to shoehorn it into a purpose for which it's not meant to be used. While that's perfectly legal and legitimate, it is also irrelevant.

I'm always intrigued by tinkerers, experimenters and hackers. They possess ingenuity and creativity and resourcefulness, which is generally very positive. It reminds me of a story with an old Apple II computer. A guy shows his Apple II to a friend: "Check this out! Look at it!" The guy says: "So what?" "What do you mean, so what?? It's not supposed to do that!". After weeks of tinkering and writing code, the hacker was able to produce a colour image on a computer that supported no colour. It had no value to anyone else, but the hacker was immensely proud of his achievement.

In a similar way, most of hacker efforts with the iPhone have very little practical value to a mainstream iPhone user. Yet, hackers are very proud of their accomplishments. Generally, they definitely have a place in this industry and serve a certain purpose. They are definitely on Apple's radar somewhere and keep the company's focus on the right things.

SDK will be coming. Perhaps not for iPod Touch, but definitely for the iPhone (or maybe even for both using the same tool). Apple wants to keep the user experience pristine. They have plenty of time. Everything here is about pacing. First US market; then UK, Ger/Fra (if possible); then slowly figure out how to get into Japan, far East, eventually world. Nothing can (or should) happen overnight. You can't grow a 8-pound baby into a 100-pound teenager in 20 weeks. Just be patient, folks.

The iPhone is an iPod Touch with a Cell Phone nothing more. Is it kewl sure is and it's revolutionary too. It's not a smart phone so much as it's a fully Web enabled cell phone. The iPhone Dev team needs to be sued for bricking iPhones. Apple didn't brick a single iPhone with Firmware update 1.1.1 the iPhone Dev team and the other hackers bricked the iPhones because they are the ones that damaged the firmware on the hacked iPhones.

It's all "cat and mouse" from here on out, until Apple releases a proper SDK for the iPhone.

I am not interested in a hack of iPhone or iTouch.

I love the way it is from Apple.

Please let the unoffical iPhone Dev team RIP.
Or better yet - spend their time producing Apps or Games for this wonderful hardware. As it seems their are more who just want the thing to work as is and are happy opposed to those who want it their special way.

And to Apple - Please protect your device. The competitiors are very hungry and obvious BELIEVE that iPhone is the BEST thing out.

it seems to me that apple is using all the "hacks" as part of its development of the iphone to find exploits then plug them.

"It's all ego."
And testosterone... wait, Erica... that's not a guy's name is it? Hmmmmm.

I can't believe that the hackers are spending their time and energy to hack the iPhone and/or iPod touch -- too much free time!

"releases a proper SDK for the iPhone."
BWAHAHAHAHA! AAA HA HA HA HA! Hee hee hee hee! Hooooo. Ahem!

I actually thought for a moment that you believed that a proper SDK would stop the iPhone hacking Hackers don't hack because there isn't a proper SDK, they hack because they WANT to. Sometimes other user benefit from their work, but Apple will NEVER create an SDK that will make all of them happy and the hacks will continue!

Actually, if you go read TUAW, where Erica Sadun posts, you'll see that they actually do have apps running on the iPhone 1.1.1. How's about you check your facts before calling anything misleading?

it can't be. What market share the iPhone does have? There cannot be any hacker interested into breaking into the iPhone yet: it has a much smaller market share presence than the Mac on the market.

Hackers do not hack the Mac because it is *just* ~6% or so. They cannot spend their precious time in hacking something that has less than 1% market. Cannot be. Can it?

ANYTHING, IF CAN BE HACKED IT WILL BE, JUST BECAUSE AND JUST TO PROVE IT IS BREAKABLE.
MARKET SHARE IS IRRELEVANT.

Let's the trolls now explaining us that Mac OS X is not hacked because nobody cares about such a small target.

I think all the people who waste time posting their opinions about how others choose to spend their time should be more productive and put that time towards more worthy causes. Oh wait...

Seriously. Those of you criticizing the iPhone dev team need to realize that there is a demand for what they are doing, and maybe, just maybe, they do what they do because they enjoy it, and find it challenging and educational at the same time. There are probably hundreds of thousands of iPhone owners who want to run third party apps on their iPhone and/or to unlock their iPhone so they can use it on other carriers, which is a legal right in both the US and Europe.

I'm really curious how Apple and European carriers are going to get around the law that requires carriers to unlock customer's GSM phones upon request. I'm guessing that come November, unlocked iPhones will be readily available in North America via European importers.

@anonymous

Actually, if you go read TUAW, where Erica Sadun posts, you'll see that they actually do have apps running on the iPhone 1.1.1.

One person has installed the apps, probably using ftp or ssh. She/he apparently hasn't used AppTapp to do so. Until this is done, it's not useful to the majority of iPhone users.

How's about you check your facts before calling anything misleading?

Look up the definitions of "inaccurate" (what I said) and "misleading" (what you said) and get back to us.

Its really a case of self importance, IMHO.

When I was young you did hacking , if you got caught you accepted the penalty.

Now a days, its you get caught and you cry like a baby that the mean man ruined your fun.

How childish.

Look you modified the firmware, you knew before you purchaased the iPhone what it could and could not do, you proceeded to think you knew better and you were going to re-write the rules.
You were warned repeatedly that if you changed the firmware in violation of the end-user agreement that you agreed to that you RISKED damaging your iPhone because Apple can't take responsibility for what someone else programmed.

OK, you decide to modify (mod) your iPhone - that's your choice. You were warned and then it happens - your iPhone gets bricked.

Instead of being an adult about it, you start to cry and whine and carry-on as a 3-year old.

Be an adult, accept the consequences for what you do!!

@ZT Don't you mean you have to Zune?

Agreed, a complete waste of time and effort...

I agree with Matrix 3.

I have seen many people come into the store bitching, crying and mad as hell, complaining at "what Apple has done to my iPhone."

Others swear ignorance, complaining that they don't know what happened.

I've heard it all before, so save it.

Yeah! Creative MUVO!!!

@Matrix3
A tad off topic, no? This story isn't about people whining or bitching, it's simply about people who have accepted the risk, and choose to continue working on their hobby. I think your comment was meant for the article about the lawsuit.

I think all of the firmware stuff is stupid. If we are paying 500 bucks for a frigin phone, we should be able to do what we want with it.
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You can do what you want with anything you buy, you just need to accept the consequences of your actions if you screw it up.

You guys assume a lot.

"it can't be. What market share the iPhone does have? There cannot be any hacker interested into breaking into the iPhone yet: it has a much smaller market share presence than the Mac on the market."

Here's the point. There's a financial incentive and kudos to hacking an iPhone. There's no incentive to hacking a BSD Unix system, it's been done so many times before.

I wonder what great software these misguided assholes could write using the same resources they spend on their hacking exercises.

What a waste...but then again, worms have their place in the worlds ecosystem so I guess scriptdummies do too.

Must be nice to have that kind of time, I wish I did.

itsashame,

These people are not scriptdummies, script kiddes or any of that $h1t. These are some real hackers. What they did/ are doing takes real skill not just using someone elses work to get what they want. I'm not bagging on you but you are wrong, the hackers/ crackers that did this worked real hard and have knowledge and talent.

"I wonder what great software these misguided assholes could write using the same resources they spend on their hacking exercises."
Unfortunately, none of that great software would be for the iPhone, which is sort of the point, isn't it? The iPhone could be so much better with third party software. A lot of us want third party software, and these guys are willing to give it to us, despite all the roadblocks Apple is putting up. Why so much hate? They are working tirelessly to allow us to get more from our iPhones and aren't charging a penny for any of their work. Most of them have been very understanding about Apple's position.

Exactly: they do have talent and knowledge. Thats my point. But they insist on wasting that knowledge and their time on something as useless as hacking a phone. Maybe they should be looking for jobs at Apple so that their talents can be put to better use for everybodys benefit. I can understand taking on a challenge, but maybe a real challenge is writing a great piece of software from scrach that no one else has written or has been unable to write. And to be honest, I wish I had half their programming skills.

@itsashame

Exactly: they do have talent and knowledge. Thats my point. But they insist on wasting that knowledge and their time on something as useless as hacking a phone.

Useless to you, maybe, but not to thousands (or hundreds of thousands?) of other people. Your comment is simply your opinion, yet you are perfectly willing to inject invectives. How civilized of you.

Maybe they should be looking for jobs at Apple so that their talents can be put to better use for everybodys benefit.

Who'd want to work for Apple these days? These guys are writing independent apps; not some set of anemic web-based apps.

I can understand taking on a challenge, but maybe a real challenge is writing a great piece of software from scrach that no one else has written or has been unable to write.

They've already done that. That's the entire premise of your argument. Surely, you see that?

And to be honest, I wish I had half their programming skills.

Then you might also be less critical of their work. It's their lives, they are free to do what they want with their time. I feel fortunate to benefit from their efforts - and at no cost to me. (How unamerican of them!)