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The Apple Legal Team will be all over this!

It's the aura of suckiness that surrounds Duke that is interfering with their wireless.

It figures that the problem lies with the IT morons after all and not with the iPhone. If it was an iPhone problem, this issue wouldn't only be happening at Duke, it would be occurring all over the place. Idiots.

Does look like Kevin Miller real knows "Cisco" all that well...

He would have better off and a whole lot safer had he blamed M$'s for his troubles...

I bet those Apple servers that he did't buy - are sure looking good about now...

It is odd that they would publicly declare that the iPhone is the problem without more information, but I understand where they're coming from. Suddenly, out of nowhere, they're having very odd wireless network behavior. Right around that same time, the iPhone gets released. One goes with the information one has, and it's certainly doesn't make them stupid for thinking the iPhone might be the source of the problem. What makes them stupid is releasing the information to the public without more information.

I've had all kinds of problems with Cisco routers in the past. Funny, how the cheaper routers from Asante and other companies work so much better.

Curious, What do you get for Ciscos premium prices?

Of course the iPhone is causing Duke's Wi-Fi issues. Expect to see a lot more of this type of thing in the future if you MAC lemmings keep buying Apple's typically shoddy phones. You can chalk it up to first generation problems from a first generation product from a second-rate manufacturer. You all should have seen it coming. I did.

I'll tell you this, Microsoft would never release a product with so many problems. Apple's rush to put these crappy phones on the street will be their downfall with the multitudes of disgruntled customers coming out of the woodwork. The return rates are for these things. There's a reason Vista took 5 years. It's a little something called attention to detail and a commitment to quality. You Apple cultists might want to look into it.

Stick to your guns, Kevin Miller. Don't let the Apple FUD machine take you down. You can count on support from me and the IT guys where I work. Stupid Apple.

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Definately IT morons, I had a pleasure of working with some.

I am a programmer and fixed more issues with network and Cisco crap than the entire "CCNA" IT team.

C'mon, Zune Tang... You're getting a bit over the top, aren't you? I enjoyed you much more when you were just mildly delusional. It almost got the point where we could actually believe you were serious. But this... You can do better!

A mistake easliy done, once they have determined what the cause is, no doubt they will tell us what it was in order to avoid it and also publish an apology on behalf of wotsisname's statement.

On a different note; Does anyone know of a successful Troll catcher?

Needs Crisco to grease the lines.

MDN has an oxymoron on it's site in the form of a Troll!

Yes, why would they talk to anyone publicly, until they had a clear bead on the problem. Makes them look very amateurish at best, (an IT staff who is in over their heads) and devious at worst. (They have an axe to grind with Apple.) I mean, every time they have a network issue, are they calling up the local newspaper to discuss the potential problems and solutions?

Slow news day for North Carolina.

I think next time our business servers go down, I'll call up the local news and have a press conference. "Yea, our crappy Dell servers went down again, hard drives keep failing and keep getting infected with internet viruses."

(Except that would be telling the truth and is quite boring, besides the windows people in the office who lost all their data.)

They seem to be expert at jumping to baseless conclusions down their at Duke. If not the iPhone, I'm sure it's the lacrosse team causing their network problems.

Zune Tang ... no longer funny ... no longer interesting .... just the same old same old .... boring beyond boring ...

Obviously, if this had been an iPhone issue, other places would have reported problems as well.

There are over 1 million iPhones in use out there.

Well, what you get with Cisco is mostly that you are in the same boat as everyone else. So when you have a problem with some esoteric feature like IP multicast, it's more likely that the issue has already been experienced and understood by someone else. Using uncommon and complex features on less common equipment means that you can be a little alone if you find yourself with some kind of subtle problem.

Of course, as you see in this particular case, this safety in numbers doesn't always help.

jake gets it. Great post, jake! Thought provoking and mildly entertaining at the same time. I like how you mixed it up with your ellipses. Sometimes it's 3 dots, sometimes 4 dots. You always keep us guessing.

Thanks again. Keep posting!

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Talk about lame sysadmins...

This was just updated to say it was a Cisco Access Point that did it all.

Here's the latest on this story - Duke says it's not iPhone and is Cisco's fault:

http://dukenews.duke.edu/2007/07/cisco_apple.html

I really don't know what's wrong with some of you. Zune Tang ... how can I say this clearly ... is the funniest poster on this site.

No - strike that - he's the funniest poster on this site who actually tries to be funny. Some of you other guys actually do make me laugh as hard ... you just have no idea why. Sad really.

ZT RULES/HATERS DRULE!

I'm with Odyssey67 on ZuneTang - he's (she's?) funny, in a twisted sort of way.

Too bad most of you use browsers that fail to render the <sarcasm> ... </sarcasm> HTML tags properly.

As for the news, what did you expect from Cisco? Their whole certified, professional guru cult is is second only to Microsoft's.

All those certified IT goons - no way the problem could be with their stuff.

Issues, problems? Which is it anyway?

I'm sorry, Zune Tang is neither funny, nor entertaining. His tired bit is boring as hell and I make sure to skip over it's lame posts.

Back on topic, it's not shock that it's a Cisco/IT dipsh*t problem. That's generally the cause when technical problems arise at a business or university.

Tell Kevin Miller what you really think....

"It would appear at this point that Miller made his statements without a full report or any basis to blame the iPhone or Apple for the problems."

Mr. Miller may have had no basis for his blaming Apple and the iPhone, but I'm sure he had plenty of bias! All these IT types are threatened by Apple and the fewer resources it takes to maintain Macs. They're all just scared little girls, terrified they won't be invited to the prom.

Duke update:

Cisco access point at fault for Duke's wireless issues

http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20070720/tc_macworld/dukecisco20070720_2;_ylt=AplF7smmo_D2neMwKaulEmEE1vAI

Kevin Miller is clearly just an Apple hater that thought he'd take what he thought was an opportunity to take a shot at Apple.

It was *idiotic*, even if you absolutely believed it was an iPhone, to make the public statement that it was related to the iPhone and *then* in state, categorically, that it was "in no way, shape, or form" a Cisco problem.

Just completely stupid.

Duke Lacrosse, or Apple iPhone. Duke is just screwed up when it comes to laying blame -- the ivy is definitely becoming brown...