“Shampoo, iPods and Starbucks lattes have suddenly become security threats. Terrorists could easily slip a few apparently innocuous items past airport security and assemble them into a lethal explosive once aloft, security experts said,” Matt Crenson reports for The Associated Press.
Crenson reports, “Some envision a group of two or three terrorists mixing up explosives in an airplane bathroom, perhaps even using commonplace materials such as hydrogen peroxide and detonating their bomb with the battery from a cellphone or some other small electronic device.”
“‘In mid-flight you could go into the toilet, attach the mobile phone to the explosives and, as the plane makes a final approach over a densely populated urban area, you detonate it,’ said Irish security analyst Tom Clonan. To puncture an aircraft’s fuselage would require an explosive charge ‘half the size of a cigarette packet,’ he said,” Crenson reports.
Full article here.
Related iPodDailyNews article:
Terrorist plot said to have involved Apple iPod as detonator – August 10, 2006
It’s gonna be no fun flying anymore and a real drag on long distant flights… no briefcases, no laptops, no iPods, CD players, no book or magazines, no carrying on, period. I’m just not going anywhere anymore!
The airlines will provide stuff. For a fee, obviously. Maybe this is their chance to lift out of perpetual bankruptcy.
I’m confused? If homeland security knew about these simple materials becoming a big threat after 9/11, why wasn’t this banned before? Sensationalism news is killing America.
Assholes should be security threats too because a terrorist could “easily slip a few apparently innocuous items past airport security and assemble them into a lethal explosive devise once aloft . . . “
Profiling anyone?
I really hate to say it, honestly I do, but we know what the enemy looks like – with this type of threat
It’s fine so long as the airline is ready and willing to supply me a free water or 2 once I’m on the plane. I usually sleep on flights, but use my iPod to fall asleep. That would kind of suck to have to give up. I can’t see all of those business travelers giving up their laptops and cell phones!
Is that Tom Clonan or Tom Clancy?
Besides, Harrison Ford taught me that I can download millions of dollars from a well protected bank server too!
Why don’t we just have a ban on all molecules and atoms?
if it doesn’t have blond hair, don’t let it go anywhere!
If only we were kinder and gentler to the
terrorists(man I’m sick of that word), then
they wouldn’t hate us so much and we could take
our iPods anywhere. Damn that George W. Bush
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AG Pennypacker: Please tell us exactly what the enemy looks like. Is it the crackers that blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building? What about the shoe bomber, who could easily have shaved his beard to look like one of your own? What about others that are not Islamic, but are just as unhappy with our country, like the Columbine boys (both white) that wanted to cause some damage? How about the militants in Idaho? David Koresh? All of these guys are just as white as you, and are pissed off at our country. What if they decide that blowing up a plane is just as easy as blowing up a car or shooting a people?
Damn boy, think before you type.
I’m going to get a big bus like John Madden. No more trips outside of the continental USA.
Actually, this may be a good way to force people TO READ and expand their intellectual capacity.
I really hate to say it, honestly I do, but we know what the enemy looks like – with this type of threat
What an ignorant asshole. Maybe we should just round up all the brown people in an internment camp or something, huh?
Next time you want to make a point just light yourself on fire.
Now Jimbo, surely you know water is a dangerous substance. Terrorists can use the electrical ports in business class (used for laptops) to separate the hydrogen from the water, and then use that create an explosive. They can bring catalysts onboard disguised as prescription medication to hasten the electrolysis. No, I’m afraid water will just have to be banned.
Enjoy your flight!
jimbo-
Dude get real! You are talking about “Has Beens” and exceptions. I’m talking about the reason for the recent suspicion. iPods will not be banned because of douche bag white boys ok (which no doubt their are a lot of – but be reasonable here) We know who has the vendetta here quit fooling yourself and everyone else)
I bet you get fooled twice frequently!
And if you don’t think the government already profiles, you are in denial! Percausion is not always politically correct
Jimbo,
When you sat militants in Idaho, I hope you’re not talking about Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge), that would be a real cheap shot. Those people chose a life style different than ours. That didn’t make them militants. An FBI agent shot his unarmed wife in the face while she was holding her baby. Who exactly was at fault there? Not trying to start any sh!t, just think that’s a bad example.
I think the Greek house system at universities is the root of all problems. All those frat boys know how to read is the proof on the bottle label. And I’m sure there’s a terrorist tie-in, somewhere…
http://www.zefrank.com/theshow
See today’s show for a logical analysis of why we shouldn’t be panicking every time there is a threat.
Why don’t drivers panic every time they get in a car? The “threat” of harm and death is imminent. To paraphrase the quote above “it only takes crossing inches into your lane to cause an accident”.
People don’t panic because they have a reasonable gauge of the risk, they “need” to drive, and believe they have some control, even though the “other guy” could be a moron, drunk, or just talking on his cell phone (oh, sorry, redundant – that would be a moron again) and just act unpredictably.
Same reason people don’t panic when they turn on their PC with Windows. You would think they would be panic-stricken at the next outbreak of viruses and worms hitting them. But they accept the risk, ignoring it blithely, because they “need” to use Windows, and they figure it won’t happen to them.
So why do people panic about air travel? You know what? You’re as vulnerable in the air as anywhere else. The human existance is fairly fragile, and any crazy person, anywhere, at any time, could end yours. You can’t live in fear of that.
You would be better off relieving your life of the real risks – eat less fat, stop smoking, stop doing Windows, and, of course, HANG UP AND DRIVE!
Live in fear, the terrorists have achieved their goal.
I’m traveling to England shortly, and I’ll be damned if any Neanderthal-level pitiful excuse for a human being who understands only one concept of persuasion is going to control my actions. I’m going, and I’m going to have fun.
End rant.
It’s my understanding that iPods are only band on flights originating from England. They are still allowed on U.S. flights.
Big boost for iChat AV- why fly to give that presentation when you can do it with iChat?
Um . . . I don’t know about any serious airline threats (terrorism) that has been linked to any other group of people than fundimentalist muslims of middle eastern decent.
Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but those are always exceptions, which, when exagerated, undermine the rule.
Seems pretty clear-cut to me.
Lufthansa confiscated my Phillips screwdriver, then gave me a metal knife, fork and spoon with my dinner!
Maybe SHOES should be confiscated! What’s to prevent a terrorist from whipping off his Gucci loafers and clobbering someone?
What about BELTS and TIES? These can easily be used to strangle innocent victims!
For now on, if you love freedom, fly naked!!!
(I feel ill now just picturing it)
blucaso,
That was absolutely beautiful, I couldn’t have said it any better. You are spot on, I live it, I love it.
blucaso.
Well said. Stop living in fear and the terrorists and the government lose their hold on you.
While you’re at, read Barry Glasner’s book Culture of Fear.
http://tinyurl.com/s2f2k
On the same note, is anyone else sick and tired of seeing the CONSTANT Breaking News banner on tv. That and these ridiculous TV news graphics like “Sky Terror:, and “Terror In The Air” scrawled in jagged red letters, backed up by ominous sounding music.
Incredibly stupid. I could go into the restroom on any plane, rip one of the plastic panels from the walls, snap it into pieces and have a lethal sharp weapon.
What next? TSA-inserted catheters at the seat?
The terrorists have already won – because the TSA surrendered to them. Nice job!
Religious fanatics may cause brief moments of local terrorism, but it takes the US media to amplify an event to the level of national or global terrorism for… wait for it… yes, their own GREED through advertising dollars!
There is no more of a “war” with terrorists as there is a war on drugs or a war on alcoholism or a war on [insert any emotional topic here]. It’s a very lame but emotional way for politicians to pretend to be actively doing something and a screamingly lame reason for them to spend tax dollars on their neighbor’s business… with some that money undoubtedly finding its way back over the fence.
Any 9 year old child can see that you will never eradicate all of the terrorists. The very best thing to do is to get the hell out of THEIR country and leave them to blow each other up in civil wars and riots. That same 9 year old knows that if you stop poking the bee hive, you probably won’t get stung. The terrorists aren’t going after Norway or Madagascar, can you guess why?
The religious-backed Republicans just can’t stop telling everyone else what they should do. Whether it’s Gays in marriage or radical Muslim fundamentalists. Liberty – something that was very real two hundred years ago, but today seems to have lost all meaning, along with its value to our society. Republicans hate the word, in fact they use it as a curse word to describe someone else that doesn’t see THEIR point of view. If you’re not in favor of supporting a liberal society, then you prefer everyone to be in a locked goose-step march to YOUR ways even though the things you want to regulate have absolutely no adverse effects upon anyone else. Stop making the rest of the world think, move and act just like you! THAT is what causes wars, it’s NOT the terrorists. It’s the inflexibility of two groups, and the Republicans are no less fanatical or zealous than any other group in the Middle East. The only fear is that they are willing to die for what they believe and the Republicans are cowards, they send their neighbor’s kids in to fight.
I’m a very proud Liberal and a very proud American, because America is all about LIBERTY, and not the Nazi-like bigotry and fanaticism of Republicans hiding behind “national patriotism” because they know their own real causes are as weak as a politician’s word.
…oh, by the way, iPods had NOTHING to do with the attack. It never did. That was media HYPE!! They were planning on using the high voltage from a disposable camera’s flash circuitry to ignite the explosive. That makes sense because the voltage from just a few batteries alone is not enough to generate the spark needed for a detonation.
When are they going to ban the REAL threat … SNAKES?!
“Those who know what’s best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.”
Or what Macromancer and Buonarroti said. Fear is a great means of control, aided and abetted by the media. It’s not (just) about making money. Remind me, when are those U.S. elections again?
M di L Buonarroti . . . .
There is a great little widget that has a dictionary combo/thesaurus; you should use one before making us read long posts like that. “Liberty” and “liberal” are not the same word, they are not synonymous.
You are obviously a liberal who hates republicans and love to poison minds and paint hate on your opposer.
The problem is . . . . it’s just not honest – despite your mouth full of spin.
You are just as bad as the people you point the finger at.
Isn’t it interesting how this “terror” plot was uncovered a few days after a couple of Bush’s buddies got bounced in the primaries??? And that the media was projecting a backlash against incumbents, i.e. Bush backers?
I expect the same thing to happen in the days leading up to the mid-term elections in November, thereby reinforcing the fact that we need to “stay the course” or some such bullshit.
Seems pretty clear-cut to me.
Yep, it is. You’re obviously a pussy who would shit his pants at the first hint of danger and is willing to use any piece of info to justify your cowardice.
When you have the Bush family and the Bin Laden family in bed together for years, things are bound to be allowed to spiral out of control. This isn’t the start of it, nor the end.
No conspiracy theories here–the US government had ZERO to do with planning any attacks of any kind, ever. That’s absurd. But they have been willfully lax and looked the other way–like point-blank refusing to chase Bin Laden after 9/11, when they actually knew where he was. And like ignoring intelligence reports unless they agree with the Republican agenda (WMDs in Iraq, anyone?).
Throw in a helping of arrogant, ignorant Republican foreign policy (how about a war that benefits Halliburton, oil companies, and Bush’s other corporate allies?) and you have a lovely one-two punch:
1. Rising tensions and anti-American sentiment that need never have gotten THIS bad.
2. Complete failure to respond appropriately and manage the situation with a good long-term plan.
The results of this will take decades to untangle, and will cost a lot more than flight delays and cavity searches. Look how many brave American soldiers’ lives it has cost already. The body count will pile up for decades. Some of the dead will be Americans, others will be civilians from other countries (like Iraq). And nothing generates anti-American sentiment better than killing off innocent families. Conclusion: the Republican yes-men are the best thing that ever happened for Al-Qaeda recruiting.
Hey- this dude “whoa”- I think it’s GW himself!
Just look at the speech style….
“…and love to poison minds and paint hate on your opposer”.
See, it’s him! (Picture Will Farrell doing his impression of GW, speaking those words.
Yup. It’s him alright).
So, GW is a secret poster here. Wow! He’d probably go on….
“….and love to poison minds and paint hate on your opposer. I’m a Uniter, not a Divider.
A Masterbater, not a Fornicater……”.
BTW, while we have you here, George, can you pull some weight there, and get the G’ubment to switch from Winblows to Mac>
Soon it’ll get to the point where we just show up at the airport with the clothes on our backs and then have to buy all what we need for vacation when we get to our destination. Then donate what we buy at the end of the trip.
Or, ship all of our things to our destination and then ship it home when we’re done.
Yes, I know it sounds crazy but it almost seems easier to do it that way.
We may even learn how to just be quiet and think. What a novel thought!
All I hear from young people these days is, “I’m bored”. I swear I have never used those words in my life. I’m over 70.
Reminds me of Operation Greif of Otto Skorzeny, where only about 28 English-speaking Germans crossed deep into Allied territory mostly to hold some bridges and sow confusion. Skorzeny entertained the rumor that his group of commandos were about to snatch Eisenhower from Cafe de la Paix in Paris in order to maintain the secrecy of his objectives.
Paranoia swept the Allies. No matter what rank or uniform you used, you couldn’t go anywhere without being stopped and quizzed about trivial American or British facts to prove your nationality. Even Eisenhower reluctantly submitted to being confined to headquarters. Since the threat spoke English and wore American or British uniforms, no one could be trusted, and a number of accented-speakers were jailed briefly.
That so few people could sow such fear….
to ban ipods without banning cell phones, doesn’t provide fully effective security.
They call this a war… The last big war ended pretty soon after a couple of big bombs… End of war!
Ron,
I always appreciate a good, crotchety rant, but what the hell are you talking about?
“In my day, we had to sit at the DMV for 8 hours and we weren’t bored. We were thankful” LOL
I have the solution! We all must fly naked, with your passport bar code tatooed onto your neck. That way there is no issue of explosives.
Unless, of course, you hide them prison-style. With an iPod shuffle. Ouch.
I can hardly move my ass in a airplane bathroom.
Don’t you think it looks very suspicious with three of my buddies there.
With only one pair of earbuds!
Thorin,
I’ll tell you what Ron is talking about. He’s talking about a society that is so addicted to entertainment that it is incapable of discerning the difference between fact and fiction. A society which mistakes blantant government propaganda for the truth. People so ignorant of anything outside of their circle of friends that it causes any slight non-conformity in an individual to seem like a freak. A voting public that is so enthralled by divisive issues like abortion and gay marriage that the very things that will run this country into the ground can be completely ignored by corporate bought elected television personalities posing as politicians.
And you will continue to debate the opposite of anything that is important while you argue about a War On Terrorism that doesn’t even exist. That’s right. There’s a war but it has 0% to do with war and 100% about making money. Which is what this country was founded for, mercantilism. That’s your purpose and mine. To make money and buy things. At least I know this. Some of you don’t.
To all of you people that claim not to know what the enemy potentially looks like, Google airline terrorism, high jacking and explosions since the 80’s and see who did 98% of them.
Just so you know; it wasn’t the Danes…
Also, you have to be kidding. When a restaurant, hotel or night club blows up (almost weekly these days) your true first thought is that it may be a Boy Scout troop somewhere doing this? Disgruntled Buddhist maybe, how about some catholic monks?
No…me either. I usually have a good idea what “type” of group and “type” of people did it. Though admittedly I was stumped on the Oklahoma bombing.
So out of 50 bombings and suicide attacks and plane crashes in the last 10 years we would have been wrong once. Seems like good enough odds to profile to me.
But, Now here come all the political correct crowd, to let you have it.
QUOTATION: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
ATTRIBUTION: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN (1706–90), Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963). This quotation, slightly altered, is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
To allow our authorities to limit our liberties at the “expense of security” or to allow the media to induce fear as to force us to rethink our choices, GIVES THE TERRORISTS THEIR SUCCESS!
Fear is fear. Terrorists do not need to actually blow up a plane if the media and government are willing to amplify the threat so the same level of fear results.
Just visited TSA.gov. Don’t believe the hype, you can still take your iPod and laptop on your flight. More alarmist media BS and MDN always buys into it.
Funny, the top of my browser window says MacDailyNews, not Half-Informed, Useless Commentary from Reactionary Dimwits Who Think They Have All the Answers.
Anyone want to go back to talking about Macs? We can leave all the political commentary to … oh, I don’t know … sites that deal with …
— wait for it —
… politics.
Yeah, it’s a radical thought, I know.
tHE dUDE,
Fair enough, I acknowledge your opinion.
Have a good weekend.
Thought this was a Mac site-
Ok.
Let’s petition GW to have the “Gub’ment” switch to Mac.
How’s that?
Back on track?
maclover – “to ban ipods without banning cell phones, doesn’t provide fully effective security.”
Of course cell phones are banned. Anything with a battery is banned, even a key fob with a remote control, it has to travel in your checked luggage.
Virtually nothing is currently allowed to be carried onto a plane leaving the UK and such limited things that you are permitted to carry have to be in a transparent plastic bag. Your pockets must be completely empty. Purses and handbags are not allowed.
The UK authorities are taking security very seriously indeed. Obviously it’s extremely inconvenient, but that’s nothing compared to the inconvenience of being in a plane that gets blown up.
If you want to find out more about the restrictions, try looking at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778771.stm
The final solution:
AIR GUANTANAMO
Every passenger in handcuffs and chains, no baggage, no service at all – that will do it.
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OK, so you say that we are right 98% of the time if we choose to scan only arab looking muslims. We miss 2% of the time. So in your opinion, you think we should let the whiteys walk on through, and strip search every person that is of Arab descent? If that’s the case, we are letting through (by your count) 2% of the terrorists. But that is OK, right? That’s bad logic, my friend. If you are so set on giving up “our” freedoms for your safety, it had better include your freedoms, not just those of the arabs. You either think that the added security measures at the airports are good, or you don’t. You don’t pick and choose them like a salad bar because they are slowing you down. (BTW, I am all for the added security, so that’s not my argument).
Thorin, I was choosing a wide variety of people that dislike America for one reason or another. Whether it’s because they are Al Qaida, redneck, insane, dumb, mad, or any combination of the above, when they hit a boiling point, there is nothing to say that they are not going to find a way to attack us. That next hijacker could be white, black, arab, native america, asian – no one knows for sure. So profiling just doesn’t work to save lives; it only works to save you time. Oh, and to make you feel self rightous about being white.
Jimbo-
You’re wrong. Like it or not history and the facts don’t support that the next highjacker or suicide bomber is just as likely to be a redneck, black or Native American.
Cite me the info that says there have been just as many non Muslim blacks involved in suicide bombings…
I’ll go farther…cite me the statistics that show there have been as many non Muslim black, Native American, redneck and Asian suicide attacks combined to equal Islamic fundamentalist suicide attacks in the last 50 years.
So if most (if not all) suicide bombers are Muslim, and of course not all Muslims are suicide bombers, does it make you non racist to ignore that group…no, it makes you stupid.
Don’t you think its about time we as people start standing up for ourselves and stop letting the gov bend us over all the time without saying a word. Why is it that what ever the Gov says we have to do it with out question.
Jimbo-
And all the other we’re not sure who does the most suicide attacks folk.
If as you say, that it is just as likely for a redneck or any other non Arab non Muslim to perform the next suicide attack or airline hijack…why do each and every one of you cite the same single event from 10 years ago? I’d think that if whites, blacks and Asians are running around blowing stuff up all the time, as you pose, you could give another example or two.
I can cite about 8 suicide attacks or near attacks in the last two weeks performed by Muslims.
Do others do it…yes. A religious cult in Japan killed several people in an attack on the Tokyo subway. Of course we all know about Oklahoma City, that’s the ONE you all mention as proof that non Muslims bomb just as much as the Muslim groups. But that’s one or two in the last 10 years. And I don’t include high school students going nuts and shooting up their school. Those are isolated and unrelated incidents. We are discussing a concerted effort by a group here.
Jerry T, it doesn’t matter if they are a tight knit organized group, or if they are lone bombers. If they are going to blow up a plane or a building or anything else, we need to be wary of them. What that means to me is set up guidelines and follow those guidelines across the board. If we are going to prohibit liquids on planes to prevent this, prohibit them for all – not just Arabs. If we have 10% of the people go through an extra check at the airport, that is 10% of ALL people, not just Arabs.
You may remember that over the last 5 years, we’ve seen Al Qaida members from many different countries. We’ve seen white people from USA that joined forces to fight with them. Remember that kid from USA that was caught fighting for the other side? We didn’t know whether to treat him as an enemy combatant or a US citizen. You get a handful of them on your side and send them through security because they are not dark skinned, and they blow up a plane or 2 or 10.
I said before, I have no problem with strict airport screenings. I think we should have it for everyone. You seem to think it should only be for Arabs. So, whose idea of security is more secure? Mine would catch anyone that has explosives. Yours would only catch Arabs with explosives. Mine would catch a Terry Nichols. Yours would not.
Jimbo-
We both agree that these measures should be enacted across the board. I never said don’t screen white people. Where did you get that idea? When I get on a plane I want every single passenger AND crew screened not just a random 10%.
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My point mostly concerned the people who feel the need to be PC and say we don’t know who most of the terrorist are that bring down planes or night clubs or hotels. They could be any one of us. And it simply isn’t true, we do know most of the time. After the fact unfortunately. That’s why people that try to be PC only cite the same one or two cases over the last decade. Because it’s that rare for a non radical Muslim to do something like that. We have had 8 suicide successes or near successes in the last two weeks alone. 24 people have been arrested in the UK over this latest failed attempt. Guess what? None of them were Native American, poor disgruntled blacks or rednecks. To ignore that fact is negligence.
Your very own assertion that the next suicide attack is just as likely to be Native Americans as it is to be Radical Muslims is just wrong and sounds foolish. No one seems, including you, to be able to cite any of these events. I know that the media are biased, but I just can’t see how they could cover up all of these Native American suicide attacks you mention. Some how somewhere the story would get out.
So in the end we agree on the measures, screen everyone. Especially when I’m traveling. But you know stating facts don’t make you racist. We all might get along better if we just call a spade a spade occasionally.
Jimbo-
Scary…I just went to Aljazeera.net minutes after my last post. There has been another suicide bombing near Najaf. 35 people are dead with more than 40 wounded.
The identity of the bomber is not yet known. But Native Americans are not suspected. We will hopefully know later today if it was the rednecks.
Come on Jerry, you are talking about Iraq here, not attacks in other parts of the world. You’re also talking about people strapping on bombs and walking into a cafe, or filling their cars full of TNT and driving into a crowded place. How many Native Americans are over in Iraq that are not part of our military? I’m guessing less than 10. It’s obvious that if you have suicide bombings in a war zone, it’s most likely the suicide bombers are going to be from that area. To count the suicide bombings in Iraq in your tallies of attacks in recent years is to bend the facts something fierce.
I am glad to see that your original statement has been further defined. I thought that initially you were saying that we know that there’s a good chance the attackers will be Arabs, so we should only screen them. We both disagree with that approach. My thought is that we don’t need to put a special screening on Arabs if we do a thorough screening on all.
I do agree that in these days and times, it’s more likely that an Arab will be the next attacker. I’m trying to point out that there are many different reasons that people have for hating America. Whatever the reason may be, I’d prefer that we prepare for an attack in general, not an attack from just an Arab.
Sounds like we found common ground on this topic, so I’m not going to follow it in this thread anymore. Thanks for the discussion.
Jerry T –
Jimbo has the right idea. So as you say, let’s call a spade a spade, shall we?
You do know that the most populous Muslim country is Indonesia, right? Now, they don’t exactly look like Arabs, do they? Like most religions, Islam has followers from all ethnic groups. When it comes to security policy you can’t ever narrow your focus. The minute you single out one group of people to give extra scrutiny, a smart terrorist organization will shift their efforts to a group you’re *not* focusing on. So if you focus on Middle Eastern Muslim men today, I guarantee you’ll have attacks from women, or Asian Muslims, or white Muslims (remember Bosnia?) or African Muslims tomorrow. Or Christians for that matter. Or someone else who has a political statement to make. You want to take the easy route and focus on the attacker of the moment, and that’s bad security policy.
This isn’t being PC. That term is meaningless anyway, and it only gets used by lazy people who want to put the ideas of others into an easily dismissable box without the effort of actual thought. Like “liberal” and “conservative” it’s a polemic and nothing more.
Nice of you to cite the suicide bombing in Najaf, but that’s a symptom of the Iraq civil war. When you have a Muslim country at war with itself it’s going to skew the statistics a bit, don’t you think?
Now, let’s get back to discussing Macs.
We need to screen Arabs first and foremost, then move down the line. That’s the sad, real, truth. Old ladies aren’t blowing up things. Yes Indonesians are Muslims too and they start bombing Western areas we’ll have to hone in on them too, then your average home grown terrorists. That’s the world fanatical muslims have created. What a great bunch???? F them!