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this is news? i thought everyone knew that! just look at iTMS!!

MDN getting a bit immature huh?

I find it too bad that for such a good news site, that often has interesting commentary, there are all too often commentaries like the one above.

"Microsoft sucks. What else is new?"

A common sentiment to be sure, but is there not a more constructive, informative, professional, or AT LEAST witty way of expressing that opinion?

My magic word is "speak" - how befitting this comment, wouldn't you agree?

MS stands for Mediocre Software folks. WMP stinks. Period.
Ultimately they will throw in some features to try to stay on par with iTunes but certainly the implementation will be less than usable and ugly

nuff said mdn

I am beginning to really really like this Wendland guy, he's usually right on target, even when its not flattering to Apple.

"...the implementation will be less than usable and ugly."

special emphasis on UGLY.

Magic Word: father
as in "Luke... I am your...."

Of course the question must be raised again and again and again: "What else IS new?"

Die MS, die!!!!

This is the new era!!!

Thats all opinion, but WMP sure leaves iTunes in the dust in the rip, burn and sync area's.

Tested on the same cd.

Rip 3 minutes on WMP
Rip 6 Minutes on iTunes
Burn 4 Minutes on WMP
Burn 6 minutes on iTunes
Sync 20 Seconds on WMP
Sync 50 Seconds on iTunes

Specs
Athlon 64 w/ XP x64
Dual 2.5 G5 / Tiger



iTunes leaves alot to be desired, IMO

Now, if they would integrate QT with iTunes and make it a real Media Player instead of a "jukebox" that may help them out.

My Take: MDN Admins, YOU GUYS WOULDNT BE IN BUSINESS IF IT WERENT FOR MICROSOFT. So Id say, MicrosoftDailyNews Sucks, So whats new?

Yet another reason iPod seperates it's self from the tired thirsty pack.
No response from Sputnik yet ??? LOL

wait until MS releases their "new" invention of podcasts along with rss for windows users...

My experiences with Podcasts has sucked, Unless it's professional..Which is what? 1% of the directory..? The rest are absolute garbage. Perfect example: The Daily Download w/ Chris Rockwall...(comedy)

Trash people, absolute trash.

What has just occurred to me is that itunes isn't a media player. It's an application for managing and accessing media (predominantly audio) with apples quicktime integrated to play the content. Windows Media Player strikes me as being a player like quicktime but with itunes aspiring features bolted on. The result is a mish mash of stuff that doesn't create a productive or enjoyable experience.

Apple have cleverly set the groundwork with itunes so they can wow us with major updates (itunes 5) but also add more minor but still significant features as point releases.

"Apple has cleverly -- some say malevolently -- taken great pains to hide the direct link so non-iPod users can see them but not get them."

--Actually, Apple makes it easy to download the links (Most of which are MP3's) which you can easily transfer to an media player/MP3 player. But you have to go to iTunes every time you want to get the next subscription! Die WMP!

shut up sputnik.

PlayforSure your tests do not prove anything. The package of iTunes and iPod is the reason why so many people prefer it to the alternatives, not the speed of a rip.

Here Here!

If you are one of the poor sods that have a DELL or IRIVER WHATSIT then whoever bought you it must hate you like hell!

As usual APPLE comes up with the good for the loyal users and if you aint on board with an ipod now you are dead in the dust.

NO OTHER PLAYER IS WORTH IT!

PlayforSure....

malware and viruses...

'nuff said.

cant rip if it doesnt work.

re: Playsforsure!

YOU GUYS WOULDNT BE IN BUSINESS IF IT WERENT FOR MICROSOFT. So Id say, MicrosoftDailyNews Sucks, So whats new?


My reply:

ALL I CAN SAY IS - 'BOLLOCKS'.

WITHOUT APPLE - MICROSOFT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS YEARS AGO.

Microsoft has never invented anything - and this is proved now as they cant even write an update to theyre crap XP OS.

The cards are on the table - the time is here - companies have to prove that can cut it in the IT business and Microsoft just aint got the skills, talent, inventievness or creativity to survive the modern computer age.

They are gonna go the way of the dinosaurs -and when they do I will be dancing on Bill Gate's grave!!

PlaysNOTforsure

re: Now, if they would integrate QT with iTunes and make it a real Media Player instead of a "jukebox" that may help them out.


TWAT!

Quickime IS embedded in Itunes!!

DO YOUR RESEARCH IDIOT.

Why the fsck do u think that itunes needs quicktime BEFORE installing!

Christ sake - these windblows idiots are unbelievable.

me.....
shut the fsck up loser

mw lack.

you lack the amount of brains needed to come up with a clever name for the forums.

Hey Peter, or should i call you DICK.
Im not talking about trailers you f'ing moron.

Im talking about playing and organizing video just like you do with audio...

Petey, You are a bitch.

Tell me how I can organize my 1000+ mpeg3/4's with iTunes.

Oh that right..YOU CANT..

You know what you can eat

It (mw) seems we have a zealot among us, lets all give him a round of <APPLAUSE>


</APPLAUSE>

D*** A$$

"Microsoft has never invented anything - and this is proved now as they cant even write an update to theyre crap XP OS."

Yeah, Exchange Server 03 isnt "innovative" neither is the .Net framework, or the VS 05 API's...No Petey, they make nothing useful you're right...We'll just back out of our 85 million dollar contract with them and swith to Mac...LOL, Yeah thats a funny thought.

Microsoft Axapta Sucks (Yeah right)
MS CRM sucks to (thats why everyone uses it)
Enterprise reporting sucks too (refer to comment above)
Navision Sucks to (refer to comment above)
Retail management sucks too (yeah, knowone buys that) LOL

Office 2003 Sucks too...Not

Visual Fox Pro sucks...I could go on and On but...


you are (mw) merely a spec of shit in the scratch mark of Jobs underware, Get a clue..NumbNuts.

Playforsure;

KISS MY ASS.

Itunes plays quickime content in the app.

BTW - Why on earth would Apple turn Itunes into a video content manager too when there is NO legal movie download store yet??

When Apple launches the iFlicks Store later this year THEN I can understand it.

What you don't realise is that APPLE keeps things simple.

They give people exactly what they need and want - and don't throw in the kithcen sink because 'its just another feature' (Unlike MS!)

BTW - I have been using windows and Macs for over 18 years - so don't talk to me about Microsoft! I was using their crap before you were out of nappies! (and by the way - Office on the Mac leaves the windows version in the dustbin because the mac OS is way Better!)

When it comes down to it - Unless you are using a mac - you aint doing yourself any favors. I leave my mac on 24/7 - hasnt needed to be restarted or has never crashed in 3 years.

NOW - YOU SHOW ME A WINDOWS PC THAT CAN DO THAT! (And if you can then youre one hell of a lier)

Windows Media Player has been the best all around media player since the 9 series, nothing else (which doesn't cost a premium) comes close. Plays movies better than even some native DVD decoders with default players. iTunes shouldn't even really be placed in the same category as WMP.

Quicktime is godawful, one of the worst in terms of user intuitiveness and usability. Thank god there's a plugin to allow WMP to play quicktime files. If any format should drop, it should be MOV instead of WMV.

Hey PlayforShit

if you are going compare two products, you have to quantify the tests

what bit-rates did you rip?
What audio-formats did you use? aac, lossless aac, aiff, mp3, wav ????

i'm an audio engineer and i'd much rather have audio that sounds great, than something that sounds like shit in two seconds

it's like the difference between a great steak and a big mac ( no pun intended )

"When it comes down to it - Unless you are using a mac - you aint doing yourself any favors. I leave my mac on 24/7 - hasnt needed to be restarted or has never crashed in 3 years.

NOW - YOU SHOW ME A WINDOWS PC THAT CAN DO THAT! (And if you can then youre one hell of a lier)"

So you haven't restarted your Mac in 3 years? You're quite a big liar yourself if that's what you're trying to insinuate.

Exactly what favor are you doing yourself by using a Mac exclusively? I'm sure that favor would be in stark contrast to a PC user who's productivity cannot be realized on a Mac. Why, just a few short days ago Nvidia released their next gen flagship, the 7800GTX to great fanfare. What exactly has been going on in the Mac world lately? Absolutely nothing, until the switch to Intel is complete.

re: Sammy.

If you use OS X - you don't need to shut down or restart your mac.

OS X does all the maintenance late at night.

The only time I have ever shut it down was to turn it off when I went on holiday.

Just works - simpe as that - Ive had no crashes, OS freezes.

ROCK SOLID.

>Yet another reason iPod seperates it's self from the tired thirsty pack.
No response from Sputnik yet ??? LOL>

Is it so difficult to understand that the word is SEPARATES! 2 'A's & 2 'E's.

it's self could do with a check also.

Same as my machine, I leave it on days at a time during the week, since it processes my work overnight, with no freezes and crashes. I generally turn it off during the weekend for when I have no use for it.

Axapta, Navision, FoxPro - surely all products that MS purchased from its ill-gotten warchest fuelled by illegal leverage of a monopoly rather than products of the fountainhead of innovation that finds it difficult to ship an operating system as promised.

On another point, I can rip a nearly full CD-A disc at around 20x to AAC and around 27x to Apple Lossless on a dual 1.8GHz G5 (in other words, a 70 minute disc rips to AAC192 in 3 minutes 30 seconds): it all depends on the settings you're using as well as not relying on the Mac's Superdrive which is woeful at ripping (I use a cheap [£39] CD-RW drive). So, if it's taking you six minutes, you're doing it wrong.

As for a 50 second sync for a single disc, this is barely credible unless you're throwing Apple Lossless around, and if you're throwing Apple Lossless around, there's no way it's taking you six minutes to rip.

Also, take a video file (at the moment, seemingly .mov and .mpg only) and drag it to your iTunes library - and look what happens.

This conversation is similar to a "debate" that I had with NoMacForYou several weeks ago, in as much as he/she is a Windows apologist claiming to be a Mac user who patently had no idea of how get a Macintosh to do what he/she wanted and had taken to trolling in order to trawl for free consultancy.

Sammy, I suspect Petey's statement would have been more accurate had he said he hadn't been forced to restart BECAUSE of an OS crash for the last three years. If he hasn't upgraded a single piece of software since then on this machine, it's possible his statement is accurate, but I doubt it - there have been an awful lot of software updates that require at least a restart of the OS, not a full shutdown. However, I'll let him correct me if I'm wrong...

Damn. Seems I didn't even need to say that. I shouldn't wait so long to reply (or at least refresh the screen more often.)

DABR....Same Bitrates...same test...

For Sammy, My PC has been running as long as my Mac without a single reboot. 3 months now.. (although I had to reboot when tiger came out:)

"Tested on the same cd.
Rip 3 minutes on WMP
Rip 6 Minutes on iTunes
Burn 4 Minutes on WMP
Burn 6 minutes on iTunes
Sync 20 Seconds on WMP
Sync 50 Seconds on iTunes

Specs
Athlon 64 w/ XP x64
Dual 2.5 G5 / Tiger"

If you are comparing SOFTWARE you would use the different programs on the SAME platform. iTunes for Windoze vs WiMP (Windows Media Player) on the 'doze.

Thats all opinion, but WMP sure leaves iTunes in the dust in the rip, burn and sync area's.

The question is; how fast is your CD-ROM drives for each system? I noticed a WAY faster rip time when I went from 36x drive to a 52x drive in my Linux box using Sound Juicer. Of course iTunes at 48x still rips faster than Sound Juicer at 52x!

The biggest problem I see with WMP is its almost endless buffering tangents when streaming video from the web. Of course I never use WMP unless I absolutely have to, which is on a rare occasion.

Specs
Athlon 64 w/ XP x64
Dual 2.5 G5 / Tiger

Of course, the other problem I see is the lack of info on how much RAM is in each system? This also affects how fast a system can rip a CD.

Athlon 64 w/ XP x64: 2 gigs of RAM
Dual 2.5 G5 / Tiger: 512 megs of RAM

re: Playfor sure

SO WHAT ITUNES TAKES LONGER TO BURN A CD!!

WOW - THAT IS REALLY GONNA BLOW APPLES LEAD!! - NOT!

At least Apples AAC format dont sound like shit - Unlike Windows WMA.

God is that format crap - anyone with any serious interest in music wont touch that format.

From Playsfersure:
"Im not talking about trailers you f'ing moron.

Im talking about playing and organizing video just like you do with audio...

Petey, You are a bitch.

Tell me how I can organize my 1000+ mpeg3/4's with iTunes.

Oh that right..YOU CANT.."

Actually, you can. Try it, drop a video into the iTunes window and watch it organize similarly as to what you can do with music. Guess what, it also handles many other forms of files. Try a .pdf file for instance, works immediately. I have ten bucks on iTunes 5.0 having even better video handling and support for multiple libraries of movies, music, pdf's, etc that can be handled separately but come together in your main iTunes library (possibly different catergories of course) but in any case, if speed of rip and burn is all you can find then I think you need to be looking harder.

BTW

So podcasts suck now. I remember the WWW when it was nothing more than a few universities and some Star Trek fansites. Look what that turned into.

Give it six months my friend. Then you'll get it.

The creeping rot within Micorosft is more than stench, it's overwhelimgly depressing for all those employees who now realize the huge career error they made.

Look at the school kids shouting in the playground!

John

MW: "cause" as in cause and effect

FUCK YA ALL!!! FRENCH KISS MY ASS MUTHAFUCKAZ!!!

YER MOM-

F-----------------------------AZ!!!

A voice from the gutter.