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I still have issues with
• Safari "just quitting"
• Slider getting stuck and not unlocking my phone
• Slowdowns

I'm not complaining. Just reporting the facts of what i'm experiencing with miPhone

I don't really notice an benefits to the new update except for the double space click for periods, which I can't seem to ever remember to do when I'm actually typing on the phone.

The wi-fi is cool, but the icon is too garish, I think. What else got added or fixed? I can't even recall.

If any of this is true, I just hope Apple comes out and says it publicly like they did with the recent iMac issue.

same here on my safari.

Agreed with above comment. My iPhone is totally unhacked and has frequent slowdowns switching in and out of SMS as well as with Safari qutting.

As I have written on countless blogs in response to countless lame stories about Apple's "evil" intentions, there is no electronic device in the history of the universe that did not carry a warning stating that unauthorized modifications and/or use of the device will void the warranty.

Furthermore, Apple's iPhone development team would quickly go stark raving mad if they even attempted to factor in all the unauthorized hacks as they update the iPhone over time. People are asking for the moon here and aiming totally unjustified accusations at Apple instead of acknowledging their own stupidity.

The iPhone is far from perfect... and needs many enhancements for not only stability... but also maneuverability.

A universal "Back" button would be extremely helpful, and of course a Copy/Paste function.

But the last update was very helpful... with the double-click to favorites, and data roaming "off" button.

I expect the functionality will just keep improving...

I'm sorry, but it has been far from a "PR disaster" as they say. 98% of iPhone buyers have no intention of ever hacking the device in any way whatsoever. And sales aren't exactly drying up, so it's simply a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill.

"Apple's update wasn't designed to disable hacked devices"

Oh yea, right. That's like when your utility bill overcharges you, and the company says it was a genuine mistake. Oh yea, why aren't the mistakes ever in our favor? Come on ...

@ Umm: totally agree!

People who hacked their iPhones did so knowingly at their own risk (even if some of the hacks did improve the functionality of the phone). Even if they DID deliberately break the unlocks and 3rd party apps, they are within their right to do so. Sorry, Charlie.

I still experience some Safari crashes, but it's definitely improved. Also, the iPod rarely crashes now when I am using Safari and it used to all the time.

This update was great and I look forward to future updates as they improve functionality.

@Umm
More like 90%. Estimates peg the number of iPhones purchased to be unlocked at around 10%. So basically, one in ten iPhone owner has an unlocked iPhone (which is hacked). Now what percentage of the other 90% have hacked their iPhone to install third party apps? I'd guess at least 10-20% of them. So in reality, probably 20-30% of iPhone users are being restricted from doing what they want with their iPhone with the latest update.

I would have to agree with B. Honeydew. I've experienced the same problems. I usually have Safari shut down on me 2 or 3 times a week.

Want to improve my iPhone's functionality? Add Flash!!!!!!! That should be the top priority fix.

No, keep Flash away!! It's awful and insecure.

The last update also improved the predictive functions and built in dictionary. The keyboard is also better focused. I don't like the changed behavior of the caps lock key, but I'll adapt.

The last update was a great improvement from my point of view. I'm sure the Leopard release will bring even more joy.

He says "Everything is certified, everything is encrypted, everything requires a checksum."

But yet he is sure it's a hack. How can he know?

NewYorkRules:

Do you practice at being a jerk or does it come naturally? Even your pseudonym spells, J_E_R_K.

If you hack anything electronic, you void the warranty. Don't you read either?

PR disaster? There are some companies that WISH they could get this kind of coverage. Bad news travels quickly, so with each of these actions, Apple is becoming more and more known to a wider number of people.

"Estimates peg the number of iPhones purchased to be unlocked at around 10%"
Very POOR estimates based on very incomplete information. 10% is possibly the HIGHEST number that could be affected. Depending on the curve, the actual number could be 4% or much much less.

1.1.1 was definitely a big update. And the need to re-activate with AT&T;supports the author's contention that it was a complete rewrite. I DO like being able to get the iPod controls on screen with a double click of the navel button. And it feels.... wait for it.... SNAPPIER!

Oh boo hoo. People are being prevented from doing what they want by bad Apple's evil update! Congratulations, you get the Emmy award for most clueless BS on MDN. Step right up to take your prize. Oh, what's that? There's no prize but a textual smackdown instead? I'm so sorry.

No-one is preventing these people from doing what they want. Apple isn't lurking in their bathrooms declaring that they used too many squares of toilet paper. Perhaps you meant "with their iPhones". Well, did anyone FORCE them to download Apple's iPhone update? What's that? No-one did! So they updated their iPhone, knowing that it would restrict their actions.

So which way is it? People are not responsible for their actions or Apple is punishing people for doing unsupported things? Uhm hello? They already knew what they were doing was unsupported and Apple has already stated that it wasn't punishing anyone. 0 for 2, bottom of the ninth.

It's like a skateboarder whining about getting banged up while skating.

Well, well, well. Even though I was salivating while watching the iPhone tutorial video, chaining my wallet to the table, I'm glad I decided to hold off on buying one.

In the past I was an early adopter. I bought the iMac G5 in its first generation. I still use it today, though I saw just how much the iMac changed since. Mine even had that recall for the nasty power unit situation. That taught me not but the first gen of anything any computer company puts on the market. I may miss out, but I want fewer headaches to go with my favorite tech stuff.

I'll definitely be buying an iPhone, maybe even the first gen, as long as I can be sure the OS is complete, maybe with even more features. By that time, we just might see a second gen product!

I'll leave the hacking to the more daring individuals than I. Cheers!

... taught me not TO BUY the first gen...

Sorry!

"What else got added or fixed?"

The number #1 fix: ability to turn off data roaming.

After getting slammed on data on my August bill for a trip to Canada, this update came just in time for me. I was in the midde of a trip to Europe, and before the update my phone was virtually useless, as I kept it on airplane mode unless I was making an outgoing call.

I think MDN should take a poll regarding Flash on the iPhone. Surprisingly, I've seen several negative posts regarding support for Flash on the iPhone and it would be interesting to see what the consensus is on this.

I think Flash support could certainly fill the gab for robust applications, games, presentations, etc. while we wait for 3rd party app support. Developers who don't like Flash don't need to use it, but those who think it's a good idea could move past the technology roadblock. What's the harm?!

Flash is practically ubiquitous at this point weather some developers like it or not. It's going to continue to evolve and it's not going away. I believe iPhone support should happen.

"It's like a skateboarder whining about getting banged up while skating."
They do, then Litigious Soccer Mom SPRINGS into action!!!

Interesting. I'd love more details on how the latest iPhone software differs from the original software. I wonder if they got rid of the little security "issue" where everything was running as root. And the well-publicized user name and password that was the same on every device.

I can't believe how badly the media is dying to write something bad about Apple. Very, very few people are hacking iPhones. If they're being bought overseas, the likely result is simply unlocking them for use on another network.

I had to restore all of my data from the iTunes backup after installing the 1.1.1 update. While I was annoyed at the time, the data restore went just fine and without much involvement from me (typical Apple). So my update took longer, but worked just fine.

I haven't even visited a website regarding hacking my iPhone, and this happened to me. Am I upset? NO! Sometimes this happens with new software, and no harm was done because all of my data was backed up (not only by iTunes, but also in iCal, Address Book, etc.). Sometimes all those 1s and 0s just don't work flawlessly.

Actually, I realized after telling iTunes to install the update that my iPhone was still syncing to iTunes. I suspect that was the cause of the problem, which makes sense given what seems to be a severe update to the system software. So lesson learned: don't allow an update to be installed when syncing.

Interesting side note to the recent 1.1.1 update for the windows crowd.

Same guy I been helping with his imac, had a 4g and 8g iphones sync'd to his xp machine. He bought the phones, synced them to his xp, loved it so much he went out and got an iMac. (5 weeks ago on the phones, important fact for later)

On both his iPhones, the most recent update didn't complete, stalled, and crashed a number of times. We reset and restored to original but still couldn't get the most recent update to completly install. Seems there are some people having this same issue on the discussion boards.

Made an appointment with the genius bar, took it in and explained what was going on, they replaced both iPhones with new ones, AND upgraded the 4g to an 8g because they are out of 4g iPhones now.

Now THAT'S customer service. What a company.

Ohhhhh, that makes it so much better. I would have preferred Leopard on time. Bunch of cocksuckers.

Woo-hoo! Looks like 1.1.1's filesystem has been accessed. It's now only a matter of days...

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/05/liveblogging-the-big-iphone-1-1-1-hack/

Just a question. Why do people who have no intention of buying an iPhone feel that have to tell everyone that. Who cares that you do not have nor will not have an iPhone. Do these folks log on to every webpage of every product they don't want and bitch and moan? I just don't get it. You don't want an iPhone? Great, but why are you here then?

And people wonder why someone wouldn't wait to buy a Mac until Leopard comes out. If I was thinking of buying a new Mac I would be racing to do it while Tiger was still available.

With the QA blunders Apple has been experiencing lately the chance of 4.11.0 working well out of the box is almost nill. Jobs should take his QA people out and shoot them.

This site spins everything in Apple's favor, no matter how outrageous it may be. This bias leads me to believe that MacDailyNews may be run by Apple. Someone should look into this. It would be a brilliant PR move on Apple's part to covertly control a blog that cleans up all of their mistakes.

@Liv

No, it's not run by Apple, but if you look at the all the ads on this page I think you'll understand why MDN has become so Apple-defensive over the last couple of years.

I want flash. I want to be able to play yahoo/pogo/etc games on the go.

"a snappier UI"... snappier? SNAPPIER? OMG I have to install the update onto my hacked 1.0.2 iPhone now! I can resist no longer!!!

My iPhone is "unsnappier" since the update. There is now a fun little delay for every operation in text messaging.

Damn you, Apple. Damn you.*

*not meant to be serious

GizmoDan: Please re-read. The "complete hack" referred to some portions of pre-1.1.1.

As far as 1.1.1 stability and "teh snappy," my iPhone definitely has both. Safari hasn't crashed on me yet, no iPod crashes either. Everything seems to be working swimmingly, and all the extra goodies and refinements are definitely appreciated. The only thing I'm pissed off about is that I can't use iToner to put my own lame-ass ringtones on my iPhone.

Folks, remember that Apple is taking a two-year accounting for each iPhone sold. This means that Apple can update and update and update without federal accounting regulations making Apple charge for them like they had to with the 802.11n-enabling firmware for some older iMacs.

Even though BTSOI occasionally annoys me, he's right on about hacker-whiners. Quit yer bitchin' already.

"This means that Apple can update and update and update without federal accounting regulations making Apple charge for them like they had to with the 802.11n-enabling firmware for some older iMacs."

You are trapped in the Reality Distortion Field. There's no federal rule that requires special accounting of that situation. You can update, patch and fix software and firmware you have already shipped any time you like for free.

I voided the warranty on an original Mac, by cracking the case to dismantle it and paint it. So did a lot of other people, and we all knew that if we did so, we would be on our own if we broke it.

I have no issue with people hacking their iPhones any way they care to, but if they VOID the fucking WARRANTY, it's nobody else's fault.

-jcr

Updating software is OK, adding valuable features is very different from a bug fix.

RTFM. You must charge for value added after the sale is on the books. Just ask Microsoft about the accounting on their free service packs.

"You must charge for value added after the sale is on the books."

More correctly you must defer recognising revenue from the initial sale if you intend to later deliver additional value which you are charging for now.

There's no federal requirement to ever charge a fee for an upgrade.

@ RealityDistortionField

http://www.news.com/Apples-802.11n-accounting-conundrum/2100-1044_3-6151790.html

According to this article, Generally Accepted Accounting Principles gave them 3 choices: Don't ship 802.11n until the firmware is ready, defer revenue, or charge for the new feature addition. It was their choice. (They could also have ignored GAAP, but that might have annoyed certain regulators in the wake of others having ignored them, like, oh, ENRON).

They chose to defer revenue over 2 years for the iPhone so they could add new features, like the WiFi iTMS.

Who's in the Reality Distortion Field?

@NewYorkRules:

""Apple's update wasn't designed to disable hacked devices"

Oh yea, right. That's like when your utility bill overcharges you, and the company says it was a genuine mistake. Oh yea, why aren't the mistakes ever in our favor? Come on ..."

As a matter of fact, moron, I've been in the utility industry for about 30 years now and I can tell you that of all the problems that can occur with your electric meter, about .0001% of them will cause a HIGH reading. The other 99.9999% of meter problems will all slow the meter down or stop it, which means that the billing mistake is almost never in your favor. OTOH, when we do find a problem we can't go back correct the readings for the previous 6 months where you got a break on your bill because of a malfunctioning meter (unless we can show that you tampered with the meter). What that means generally is that you get a new meter that records correctly and a new bill that's higher than those for the previous 6 months. You think you're getting screwed, but in reality you got a break for 6 months.

But you are all-knowing and an expert on everything so you just go on believing that Apple set out to screw you.

I love my iphone but:

- no flash?
- no multiple SMS sending?
- no MMS messaging?
- no video in the camera?
- no copy and paste?


Also, the new update has not made mine any snappier, and I have noticed a lot of hanging and pausing and even a few messed up calls where I had disconnected but it thought I was still on the line, forcing me to do a reboot.


still a lot of work to go, methinks

OK, one more time. Read what Steve has said about Java and Flash on the iPhone. It ain't gonna happen! Which is fine with me cause i dont want a big ugly freeway built through my pristeen national forest--even if i dont have to drive on it myself.

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

Company line, propaganda, bullshot!

Regarding Safari on the iPhone, it's a mixture of Safari 2 and Safari beta 3, quickly hacked to work on the iPhone. As part beta, it'll crash every once in a while. Mine crashes at certain web sites, which my mainstream Safari crashes at also. So I avoid them. Whose desktop Safari is 100% reliable? Any hands?

With regard to a stuck slider, sometimes it's your finger's lack of conductivity. Oily fingers, ultra-dry fingers, and fingers with eczema (like mine) cause problems. Or it could be a bug.

Flash itself is buggier than any browser. And almost always it is just that -- flash.

The estimate of 10% for unlocked iPhones is itself a little phony. Some stock analysis company got in touch with a number of Apple Stores and discovered that some people were buying five iPhones at a time. The stores and the analysts estimated the number of such iPhones sold at 10%. There are many reasons why someone might buy five iPhones at a time. In any case, those iPhones to be unlocked are probably headed to countries that don't have iPhones. They wouldn't be able to update to 1.1.1 even if they tried. By now the locked iPhone problem should be disappearing as more new iPhones for sale come with 1.1.1 and not 1.0.2 or 1.0.1.

I would estimate that the number of people putting applications on their iPhones is much smaller, maybe 1% or 2% at most. Most iPhone buyers wouldn't have the faintest clue where to even look for applications.

Lastly, my water sewerage utility forgot to bill me for four months, due to a new system they installed. It's only when they went through their accounts by hand that they "found" me, They sent me three spaced-out (in time) bills. So I was undercharged and mistakes do work both ways.

MW? truth. Hmmm.

"They chose to defer revenue over 2 years for the iPhone so they could add new features, like the WiFi iTMS."

iPhone's a little different, they do have an actual stream of revenue coming in over those two years from each phone.

Sure, Apple took 3 years to write the first iPhone software, but toatally re-wrote it in a month. Nice try Kool Aid drinker!

Just to make things crystal clear one more time, the issue isn't that people have voided their warranties. It is that Apple refuses to sell paid out-of-warranty repairs.

u guys sound like geeks arguing over whos computer is beter. And why not addflash half of the sites i visit use flash. U guys are making flash out to be like a virus or somthing its a fucking Plugin to be added to make the wifi internet into what jobbs said it would be. Hacking voids the warranty if u dont know that u shouldnt have the rite to hack. Apple is a great company and if there update causes hacks to not work owell they are just trying to protect their product and there partnership with at&t;. And its not like the new update won't eventually be hacked.