MacDailyNews - Where Mac news comes first

How about the rest of us?

They should sell it on iTunes...

--mAc

It's a hardware thang....

mw: possible as in it is not possible unless you have the right hardware to support it

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/894661/775222/

so my iMac 1.83 intel core duo cannot take advantage of this .... right ...

yep. like an idiot, i went out and bought a macbook pro in august. "top-of-the-line," they told me. now it is obsolete. no 64-bit. no 802.11n. a speed bump, i understand and expect - but a radical redesign less than a year after a radical redesign... well, that freaking sucks. thanks for penalizing your most ardent supporters, apple.

"How aboout the rest of us?"

Uh... buy a new Mac? Shame on Apple for not making every improvement automatically backward compatible so that no one will ever have to buy a new computer again!

"top-of-the-line," they told me...

And top of the line it was, WHEN they told you that. Evolution will not cease so you can feel good about your purchase for a longer period of time.

They updated within 5 months when i bought my first Macbook Pro (core duo). When the C2D Macbook Pro came out, i sold the old one and got the new one. Whats so hard about that?

alansky et al,
How about the rest of us?" That was a rhetoric question. I am sure anyone visiting this site can read and know which hardware this updates is targeted for. I am just hoping that an 802.11n card will be available for the rest of us... Get it?
Whatever...

Hmmmm....so that means the Mac Mini's are not shipping with n-capable Wifi. Interesting.

I wonder how long that condition will last. Will we see a bump/refresh of the mini line before Leopard?

Anyone taking bets on how long it will take for this software to appear on P2P networks?

Hey macca and alansky...shut up!!

Sorry you had to use a brand new state of the art MacBook Pro while others were wishing they had the money for one. I slogged along with my G3 for 10 more months before I could afford a new Mac while you were enjoying the good life at top speed. I guess Apple rewarded me for my troubles. Sorry if Apple can't keep up with your whims or times their products so macca and alansky can be happier. Write Apple about it, and maybe they will put a line in their mission statement to make sure they time their product releases to your buying habits. Early adopter’s never show a lot of wisdom anyway. What did those first plasma users pay? Progress happens!

Tip: If you don't have the most recent Airport updates installed, this 811n installer will tell you it can't install it.

@TTz

It's there, Look at the link above.

@Thomas

Impressive!!!

I realize that time and technology march on. However, this is more than a speed bump. Anyone who bought an Intel Mac when they came out now has a machine that is incompatible with the new WiFi standard. Incompatible.

That would be like the Intel-powered MacBook coming out nine months after Apple released the first G4 PowerBook. Actually, it's worse - at least Mac's OS is backwards compatible with G4 Macs. The new 802.11n protocol isn't. And the G4 PowerBook lasted six years with only the expected speed bumps and the addition of the SuperDrive - nowhere near as radical a change as the difference between the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo MacBooks.

macca, last I heard, you could set up your Airport Extreme with either 11n or 11all, the advantage of 11n being even higher throughput than the 11n in 11all.
As for those who are complaining about their recently-purchased items that lack the latest/greatest ... they have what you paid for them to have. So, give it a rest. Buyer's remorse is the eternal lot of the computer buyer. The best you can hope for, once you've bought the 'latest', is a few days - maybe even months - of being Top Dog. Then you get to be just another underdog. Fact of life. Get on with it.


DLMeyer - the Voice of G.L.Horton's Stage Page

Hey MDN - if ever there were a post to cull, it's the P2P link above.

Hey cynic821 - That is really poor form, posting it here. Why do you condone infringing on Apple's IP? Just because it costs 2 bucks doesn't make piracy any better than copying a more expensive product.

I remember how crushed I was soon after I bought my 48k Apple II+, when shortly thereafter Apple introduced the 64k IIe. Sure, I plunked down another $800 for a 16k memory card upgrade, but it didn't give me upper- and lower-case text onscreen, nor the 80-character wide text feature of the IIe. Lowercase letters appeared on my screen in reverse, and two on-screen lines of text corresponded with one printed line.

I got over it. Just like I got over my envy of my college roommate's shiny Mac II which featured 8-bit color (let alone NuBus slots.) My antiquated 512k Mac's tiny b&w;screen never was quite enjoyable after that.

Get over it. Technology - like time - moves on. Or you can wait forever without dipping in, lest innovation pass you by.

To shrug off the "complaints" of people who don't want to pay the $1.99 as buyer's remorse is ridiculous.

Some points:

- What exactly is Apple selling that isn't already present in the system they already sold?
- Why give the lame and rebuked claim that they must charge for accounting purposes?

The technology is there! No accounting principle forces Apple to charge for the update!

So a question remains... what is the real reason for the charge?

My guess:

>>> To set precedence!

Apple wants to start charging for minor updates.
That's definitely something to worry about.

Keep in mind, Apple is not doing any of this to make the world better. It's not your best friend. It's in existence to separate you from your money. And they've shown they're every bit as money-hungry as its nemesis Microsoft is - with the same inclinations to be as monopolistic and predatory! Apple users tend to be more forgiving or ignorant of it, willfully or otherwise.

The charge for the minor update is to set PRECEDENCE. That should be the MDN word for the day!

People like macca don't really care how good of a machine they have. They only care that they have a better one than anyone else. "Just so long as I am the best, that's all that matters."

>Ben S. wrote: People like macca don't really care how good of a machine they have.

He doesn't care how good a machine he has? Ridiculous! I don't know the dude, but I'm pretty sure "how good" it is factored into his purchase decision.

>Ben S. wrote: They only care that they have a better one than anyone else.

Really now? I believe his gripe is that he bought the MBP (a major change to the platform) and only a couple months later, Apple makes a major change to that machine by adding the "n" spec without much thought for those who bought on to their platform shift.

I don't know if there's an easier way to explain this. Do you get it now?

Not even Micro$oft charges for driver updates.

In response to MPC Guy,

What the hell was Apple supposed to do... not sell macca a computer because they would soon have a better one? Or take back his purchase, give him the newer one and then resell his return at less money of course? Quit your whining. There will ALWAYS be a better computer coming out soon. We praise Apple for the speed with which they innovate but macca and MPS Guy would have them 'slow it down' a bit andf time the new releases so they can be top dog longer.

The only way to accomodate macca and his type would be for the manufacturer to stop selling the current model to anybody for a year or so before they release of a new model.

Or no, wait.... Apple should call macca and ask him/her when he intends to make his next purchase and then release the new model at that time.

That is the only way to keep that type of person from bitchin' about progress and as you can see, it is not a very workable solution.

Grow up!

mAc-warrior

That is a excellent idea!

Apple are you listening! iTunes could sell this!

This BTW shows again how expensive Macs really are… instead of changing the piece of hardware you give few pucks and it works. Like with the PC´s you upgrade to Vista by changing graphics card, add more memory, change the processor…

It's already installed on my MBP 15". Apple's website tells you what you need to know to find it. Good work Apple!

>Ben S. wrote: Grow up!

Why are you getting all pissy?

The guy's concern is that after releasing a major update to a platform, they go ahead and release a major update only a handful of months down the road.

How is being concerned about that being childish?

Answer that rather than whining about people voicing concern.

Should no one voice their concerns anymore? Is that really what you're arguing. You want everyone to just shut up and fork out the dough?

... and of all places not to voice your concerns or opinions... on a FORUM!

How absurd!

>Ben S. wrote: That is the only way to keep that type of person from bitchin'...

That type of person.... oh you mean CUSTOMERS.

Shame on CUSTOMERS if they bitch.

You're right... let 'em bitch. Screw that type of person - the CUSTOMERS!

Are you beginning to see how absurd your logic is?

>The guy's concern is that after releasing a major update to a platform, they go ahead and release a major update only a handful of months down the road.

Unfortunately the only possible response is, "Butch up." Except maybe, "Get used to it."

Apple was saddled with PowerPC small MHz bumps for years and years. Now that they are using Intel chips Apple, and Apple users, reap the rewards of Intel/AMD competition. Specifically, lower CPU prices and rapid architecture upgrades.

Back when Intel didn't have any serious competition they could milk each generation as long as possible before moving on to the next upgrade. Now, with AMD nipping at their heals and frequently passing them, Intel is forced to lower prices and get new chips on the market as soon as possible.

So that Core Duo from last year is old and busted because of Core 2 Duo. Big deal--nine months from now Core 2 Duo will be old and busted because of Penryn processors, and plain old Core Duo will seem as modern as an 8086.

Live with it.

>OpJ wrote: Unfortunately the only possible response is, "Butch up." Except maybe, "Get used to it."

"Get used to it" is what Apple wants. The charge is a precedent for future charges.

Now that Apple is on the Intel train, they're faced with faster updates to processors. No longer are they getting whooped like when Apple was with PPC and Intel kept whooping on all their processors.

So you're right in that sense - get used to paying for the increments.

Get used to orphaned components.

Sad...