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Oct 25, 08 - 12:27 pm Comment from: Hentercenter

New Cocoa always tasted better than old Cocoa anyways...

Any news as to whether this will fix my problem with continual dropped calls on my iPhone 3G? If not, at least maybe it'll allow me to drop a pin on the map location everytime I do drop a call. Before you know it, I'll have quite the pin collection!!!

Push (which they delicately don't mention much lately) is much more important.

The villagers will be lighting their torches and heading to the castle on the hill if it doesn't show up this time.

Emoji icons? WHAT the FSCK!! Where's copy & paste?!

Apple's priorities are all fscked up here. No universal landscape keyboard, no copy & paste, no MMS, no alphanumeric passwords. But they're right on the ball when it comes to stupid Jap smileys.

Snow Leopard. Coooool.

@R2, your racism is showing.

Oct 25, 08 - 03:10 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

"Emoji icons? WHAT the FSCK!! Where's copy & paste?!

Apple's priorities are all fscked up here. No universal landscape keyboard, no copy & paste, no MMS, no alphanumeric passwords. But they're right on the ball when it comes to stupid Jap smileys."

R2, are you saying that there's no difference in difficulty for implementing a systemwide copy & paste and Emoji icons?

I agree with most of your points, I think there should be a universal landscape keyboard, that should have been there before the SDK, and the copy paste thing is long over due, but that could be trickier to get it working up to Apple's standards, and whatever they come up with we're stuck with basically forever, so I'd rather they take extra time if necessary to do it right because they only have 1 shot.

MMS, password stuff, all good, I'm sure it'll come in time. It's too bad they can't do everything instantly but you have to give them credit they have come a long way in a relatively short time, with a SDK, with the best mobile software platform and store in existence, Exchange support and push messaging, significant improvements to Mobile Safari.

Oct 25, 08 - 03:12 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

@Jeremy

If you're referring to R2's use of the term "Jap smileys" that might be offensive to some but it's not racist. Japanese is a nationality not a race.

I didn't see it as a slur against Japanese myself even if it was a rather sloppy choice of words, but rather a dig at Apple for focusing on one group's pet interests vs the needs of the whole platform.

R2 could very well be racist, but I haven't got that from his posts in past. I think political correctness has made us all unnecessarily hypersensitive.

Oct 25, 08 - 03:45 pm Comment from: Bartleby

@twilightmoon
You are right about how good the platform is and that it's getting better. It's also the best of the available choices.

As for the racism, I take it that you're not of Asian decent. I don't particularly care for the terms "Jap" "Nip" "Gook" "Chink" "Slant-eyes" or their ilk. As a kid, these words really hurt. They are denigrating terms, period. However, in this era of political correctness, only certain denigrating terms are taboo while others are acceptable. So for someone who has walked a mile in "Jap" shoes, "Jap Smileys" is an ignorant thing to say.

Copy Paste ?

Oct 25, 08 - 04:00 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

Jap can be used to insult someone, certainly, any word can be used to insult.

I've been called a "neo-con" because I have some conservative views, a "yank" because I live in America and am an American, a "Hairy beast" because I have body hair. I've had people mock the way I dress, insult my intelligence, my physical appearance, heck just about everything besides my weight.

No one is immune from being mocked by other humans.

That said "Jap smileys" is mocking the narrow marketed improvements of the smileys. I agree it's sloppy choice of words, I also said it would offend some people. It is, however, not racist, and I don't believe R2 intended to offend Japanese people.

Perhaps R2 would like to explain his choice of words here?

My other point is how hypersensitive we've become and gone out of our way to find insults where they weren't intended. If the term "Jap" is universally insulting and offensive, perhaps explain that to him and hopefully he'll refrain from using it in the future. I believe it's counter productive and rather rude to immediately assume anyone who says anything that might be offensive is racist.

" in this era of political correctness, only certain denigrating terms are taboo while others are acceptable."

I think it boils down to being courteous or striving to be. This goes for both sides, if someone says something ignorant or offensive, give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they might not be aware how hurtful or offensive it is if you don't have reason to believe they meant the offense.

At one point political correctness likely developed out of a way to get people to become more aware of hurtful or offensive speech and be more courteous. If it ever was that, it has morphed into a way to shut people up we disagree with politically and silence and censor people. To me that's as dangerous as racism itself is.

Oct 25, 08 - 04:49 pm Comment from: Shadowself

My requirement for Snow Leopard is very simple: I want to never see the spin cursor again in the Finder!

Next summer (about the time Snow Leopard is released) I will buy my next desktop Mac. It will be, as always, a maxxed out Mac Pro (or Power Mac before that, etc.). On such a system I want to NEVER (and I do mean *NEVER*) want to see the spin cursor (the spinning, multicolor beach ball to those who are not familiar with the term "spin cursor") in the Finder again. I don't care what it is I'm doing in the Finder. I must never see that spin cursor again.

The top of the line machine of summer 2009 (at least 8 CPU cores, maybe even 16 cores) with the fastest graphics card, 8+ GB of RAM and the fastest hard drive available should easily support doing whatever it is I want to do in the Finder without pause. Snow Leopard is supposed to take advantage of multiple CPU cores. It is supposed to provide support for using the GPUs in the graphics cards for all kinds of acceleration. Everything is supposed to be tweaked to take advantage of the higher bandwidth paths of the new Intel architecture. Something like the Finder better be DAMN SNAPPY!

/rant

Oct 25, 08 - 06:14 pm Comment from: blucaso

Amen Shadow! But I'm not holding my breath.. it only took something like 3 years and TWO major OS X upgrades for them to fix the "Finder will now hang up and give you a spinning beachball for 2 or 3 minutes" when you accidentally powered down a networked hard drive or network connection. But hope springs eternal.

In all honesty, I think the idea of Snow Leopard as it's been posited by Apple is the best thing they could be doing for OS X right now. The Finder rewrite is loooong overdue, and I understand features have come first, but I'm glad to see a release dedicated to this.

Jap is unacceptable. Nevertheless, it's only by a recent court decision that a precedence has been established by which a Japanese-born kid of foreign race can qualify for a Japanese passport.

Oct 25, 08 - 10:46 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Thanks for clearing that up, lim....

Oct 25, 08 - 10:48 pm Comment from: TowerTone

your last name wouldn't happen to be 'Ming', would it?

Oct 26, 08 - 02:46 am Comment from: thethirdshoe

Just FYI: Apple Store is currently down. 2:45 am Central time
Maintenance would be my guess...

Oooo! Google Street Views! Is there anything else they can do to further peg this thing as a mere toy? Because until they add some decent functionality with copy and paste, within and across apps, and a duplicate function in Calendar it's just going to be a glorified toy.

Oct 26, 08 - 06:05 am Comment from: twilightmoon

"Because until they add....it's just going to be a glorified toy."

No matter what you add between the 'they add' and 'it's a toy' it doesn't matter. There will always be people who find missing features in any device or tool that makes it less than it could be.

If the iPhone does not meet your needs, do not buy one. It certainly meets the needs of many people. In the past quarter 6.9 million people thought it was useful, and this next quarter, it will likely be way more than that from holiday sales. In the next 12 months Apple will probably sell more than 40 million of them.

Of course if you wish to believe all those people are buying it just to play Soduku and have a handy Flashlight+Tip Calculator with fart noises, fine by me.

Twilightmoon: at last someone talking sense. A lot of the reason other devices are so bad is because they give function for the sake of it without thought about the process. This has to be done right because as you rightly say get it wrong and it will be wrong for a long time and the same people will be whining all the more. I am sure they are working on this but obviously implication isn't as straightforward from a usability point of view as we would all like to think.

Oct 26, 08 - 08:37 am Comment from: January 24, 1984

twilightmoon: Perceptive.

Oct 26, 08 - 12:18 pm Comment from: Cubert

Now back to the matter at hand:

The ability to save an Automator workflow as a System Service in SnowLeopard is freakin' AWESOME! That feature alone will make Automator workflows a lot more useful, almost on par with an Automator app.

A link to a fuller account of the upcoming features:

http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2008/10/25/latest-snow-leopard-build-10a190-now-available-seed-notes/

Oct 26, 08 - 07:42 pm Comment from: MacSmiley

Apple capitulates to the World of PeeCees... Snow Leopard's default gamma setting is 2.2 instead of 1.8. Blech!!

Oct 26, 08 - 08:05 pm Comment from: Chuck U Farley

So did Apple give up on photo import to iPods? Will we ever be able to plug a camera into a ipod Touch and dump photos onto it like I can my older hard drive based iPod?

iPhone will win the war, but this is the problem they have no urgency to address some key things like "copy n paste" and "background notifications" because the competition is so much worse in terms of overall execution. That why I have no choice but to pull for Android.

So close yet so far. Perhaps Android on LG over WiMAX will complete the job. Two years away though.

just face it.
apple needs to sell iphone 3G.
after working in one of SoftBank retailers, putting something minor as emoji on the iphone 3G could grab major numbers in sale.