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Sep 27, 08 - 11:41 am Comment from: Cubert

I hear they are spending millions in R&D;to make that little scroll ball even more annoying.

Sep 27, 08 - 12:09 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

They are also spending millions to find the new "black". I heard that Ballmer told them it was the color brown.

Looks like RIM is heading into the bowl...

wheeee...

MaWo: 'problem'. As in: 'it looks like RIM has one...'

Their gross margin seems pretty high. But they also only make one kind of product. Still, they make a lot of money per Blackberry sold.

Sep 27, 08 - 12:43 pm Comment from: TowerTone

They need to change it's name to 'Redberry' until it is back in the black....

Sep 27, 08 - 12:50 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Two cool and
Too bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUjS1nnS4k

Sep 27, 08 - 12:50 pm Comment from: DogGone

"Even as RIM said sales increased 88% and profit surged 72% in the quarter that ended Aug. 30, it also said gross margins will narrow to 47% from 54% last quarter"

And they lost 25% in their stock price! A 50% margin is huge for hardware manufacturers.

Spending $100Ms in failed marketing maybe the more pertinent reason for the stock drop.

Sep 27, 08 - 01:31 pm Comment from: 84 Mac Guy

Read to these two comments from the story:

"RIM will incur higher expenses as it makes products snazzier"

"RIM is responding with higher-quality displays and touchscreens"

Doesn't anyone understand, IT'S THE SOFTWARE, STUPID!

If you have noticed that every single web page that has had the word iPhone on it in the last six months at least has had a crapberry advertisement on it? They are petrified of the Apple steam roller stealing their business. Think of all the ad cash that rim is shoveling out to goog and that slut zdnet alone. The whole industry is pissed at Apple because of their success. Every day these web sites have more and more anti Apple articles and cheap shots. All of their ad revenues have dried up since the pc went belly up. The pc pushing sites died also. Then they went out and purchased all the Mac sites. If you have been around for awhile you see it all so clear and look at it as almost comical. Rim was also fun while it lasted. They made good phones. The future however is not cell phones. It is hand held mobile computing. That concept needs a little more zing than the claim to 'push'.

They should license Safari or Firefox. The Blackberry web browser sux.

Sep 27, 08 - 02:06 pm Comment from: pocketRocket

Oh man, this just confirms my view of greedy corporations. Only now do RIM include better screens to counter what Apple has to offer instead of innovating themselves and everyone else chasing them. It sure looks like they found a niche market they could sell to and sat back on their butts.

Sep 27, 08 - 02:45 pm Comment from: Crazylegs

You guys are all idiots. The numbers simply don't bear out these conclusions.

The numbers:

-They sold 6.1 million devices in the quarter. 5.4 million devices the quarter before and they expect to sell over 7 million devices in the coming quarter.

-Revenue was $2.2B last quarter,$2.5B this quarter, and they expect $3B the next quarter.

-New subscribers were 2.2 million last quarter, 2.6 million this quarter, and they expect 2.9 million next quarter.

How is iPhone hurting their business? The numbers simply don't bear it out no matter how much you love your iPhone.

The margin issue has more to do with the fact that RIM is introducing 4 new models in the coming months and two of them are totally new manufacturing platforms that require greater costs in the beginning of the manufacturing ramp as the company gets the processes down. Over time the efficiencies will be realized and margins will return to more normalized levels. This is just a fact of manufacturing.

Besides, they guided to 47% gross margins from 50%, so given a $344 ASP, they still make $161 gross profit per phone. Not too bad (whoever said to rename them redberry - that guy has to be an idiot)

Also, if you are willing to read the conference call transcripts, you will see on last quarter's call the company explicitly telegraphed the reduced margin guidance. So they are executing on plan, not reacting to anything.

Now the question I have is as a business owner, does it make sense to invest when you see an opportunity? or to get that little bit of extra earnings today and regret it for the next 10 years? RIM is choosing to do the right thing by investing in R&D;(up $50 million quarter over quarter) and brand.

Don't count these guys out. Remember they sell Blackberry on 400 carriers while iPhone will penetrate 70-75. There is also the value proposition Blackberry brings the carrier with a great data service but low network capacity requirements given their compression techniques. ATT must just love they have to spend $1 billion to get their 3G network up to snuff after all the 3G iphones and their capacity intensive users have flooded the network.

I know it is probably difficult to use ration given the emotionally charged iPhonatics, but the reality is the Blackberry is here to stay and it will prosper along with iPhone as the entire mobile phone world upgrades to smarter devices.

By the way, how's that 3G battery life for you guys? Barely getting through a day? My Bold gives me two full days of usage. I simply can't afford to not have battery life at the end of a day.

Crazylegs is in denial. His rim phones will be hanging on hooks at 7-11 with the Virgin Mobile pay as you go plans. Wake up dude.

Sep 27, 08 - 03:06 pm Comment from: Willie G

@Crazylegs...

Crunch the numbers however you like, the bottom line is that the iPhone raised the bar for all handset makers. RIM had been sitting on its laurels on top of the heap for awhile now, and their R&D;had become stagnant.

Now RIM and the rest have been forced to try and respond to Apple by implementing improvements in the design of their products, and this has had an effect on margins. It's as simple as that, and it is all that the article is trying to infer. Will it be short term as you suggest? It really all depends on how wisely RIM implements changes and adapts to the evolving market.

I'm not going to sit here and say that this is the beginning of the end for RIM, or anyone one else in the race, but you can't help but be impressed on how big of an impact Apple has made with a product that has been on the market for just over a year.

As for battery life, I can say that 2.1 did alot to help my battery situation. While I did previously have to charge my battery nightly, it now only requires a charge every other day. Considering how much I use it, that's not bad at all. Although I don't quite see what all the hullabaloo is about with not being able to "... afford to not have battery life at the end of a day" is all about. Even before 2.1, it was hardly an inconvenience to connect it to its charger as I was going to bed.

crazylegs = iphone envy idiot

Rim thought that the iPhone would be a fad. Rim has been sitting back and milking antique technology just like pc land has. Rim thought that by changing the color of the plastics and the feel of the nubs would be more than enough to smooze the industry. Rim had failed to innovate not because they don't want to but they simply cannot. Rim needs a mobile computing os and does not have one and sure as hell aint gonna develop one. Ever. Rim now has to pour more into r and d and advertising than they thought, hoping they can keep passing off their toys as still being as hip as the other guys somehow. Rim is now scrambling to keep their margins from tanking. Rims investors are fleeing... and that sums it up.

The problem for RIM is that their gross margin was huge! Now with competition from Apple, Google, and soon Nokia "Tube", their margins will go down. Margins will go down, because they have to keep reinvent themselves with new products and lower prices. Apple is in a much stronger position, expecially in the way they keep the prices of their products fixed. This isn't to say that RIM isn't a solid company, it just becomes a risky investment with the competition rising.

"crazylegs = iphone envy idiot"

Yeah, these guys don't get it... The iPhone has a whole .9 % of the mobile phone market. Bloodbath. In a few more years, it will have 2 or 3% of the market... RIM is scared, and Ballmar is throwing chairs!

RIM will be out of business this time next year. Microsoft ought to shut down. Ballmar is Killing them!!!! Their OS only runs 91% of the world's computers and the iPhone has almost 1% of the cell market...

What a total BLOODBATH!!!!

Also, Microsoft also allows their mobile users and developers to decide what time of software they want on their mobile device. HAHAHAHHAHAHAH . As a Apple fanboy, I don't know what I want. I mindlessly follow Steve Jobs. If Steve says I don't need it, I don't want it,...

Signed, A Typical MDN poster

Sep 27, 08 - 05:04 pm Comment from: GregoriusM

What Willie G said.

I wouldn't expect anyone here to understand. All I know is that I have an iPhone but I choose to use the Blackberry because it works far better for me.

Sep 27, 08 - 05:41 pm Comment from: Randian

All I know, crazylegs, is that I TOO have an iPhone and a Blackberry (required for work) . . . and I choose to use the iPhone the other 16 hours of each business day and both days on the weekends. There is simply NO comparison between the two devices. You know it (and are obviously embarrassed having to defend your soon-to-be-obsolete device), and the market CERTAINLY knows it.

"Don't count these guys out. Remember they sell Blackberry on 400 carriers while iPhone will penetrate 70-75."

That's the scary part. How come they can only manage 6.1 million BlackBerrys when their reach is so broad and they have so many models? Apple will likely report 5 million iPhone sales. That's one phone, one mobile standard on one US carrier, and at a fairly expensive stationary price point with a severely limited presence around the world.

If Apple was in RIM's position, they'd be selling 15 million iPhones a quarter. They'd be one of the top mobile phone makers in the world. One can't help but wonder if RIM is squandering their advantages. Steve Jobs will get more carriers, he'll grow the iPhone into an iPod-like line. Exclusivity agreements will expire. It's just a matter of time.

While there's no evidence that people are dropping their BlackBerrys for iPhones, surveys show that millions are leaving their normal, Razr type phones behind and graduating to the iPhone as their first smartphone. How many of these consumers would have stepped up to a BlackBerry if it wasn't for Apple?

Sep 27, 08 - 06:12 pm Comment from: Gunboat Smith

Enterprises are not switching to the iPhone, so RIM has nothing to worry about. Such as HSBC. To quote a UK spokesperson for HSBC,
"I don’t know if he was miss quoted or if it was made up, but I can put the rumours to bed now and state there is no truth in it at all. It’s simply not going to happen."
(Source: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/20/hsbc-denies-rumors-of-company-wide-iphone-switch/ )
To paraphrase Bill Hicks, "Here's the truth. Sleep tight."

@@Henry

Back away from the crackpipe you friggin' loser.

That bit has already been claimed by Zune Tang.

Go back to writing FSJ. Wanker.

Sep 27, 08 - 06:14 pm Comment from: Brit

Yesterday I returned my work-provided XDA running Windows Mobile. Henceforth I will be using my iPhone: it does all the Microsoft Exchange stuff, plus a whole lot more. My manager has agreed to pay half of my monthly tariff too. I have been trialling the iPhone alongside the Sony XDA since the version 2 software came out and it has beaten it hands down. Everyone who sees the iPhone wants to try it, and then they want one too. There are thousands of people in our organization: it's only a matter of time!

Sep 27, 08 - 06:37 pm Comment from: Crazylegs

I love all the spirited responses. Fun to watch the emotions take over. iPhanatcis are such an easy crowd to antagonize with nothing more than facts.

You haven't antagonized anyone, Crazylegs. Several people offered different takes on your opinion and you decided to stick your tongue out with your fingers in your ears and declare victory like a coward.

Maybe pasting the RIM quarterly fact sheet and then running away works with WinMo, Symbian and Android fanboys but you'll need to conjure up some independent thoughts if you wish to argue here.

Sep 27, 08 - 07:59 pm Comment from: El Guapo

@Crazylegs

"By the way, how's that 3G battery life for you guys? Barely getting through a day? My Bold gives me two full days of usage. I simply can't afford to not have battery life at the end of a day."

I could get 2 days out of my iPhone too if all I ever did with it is make phone calls!

Crazylegs - Why be a troll ??? Are you some kind of attention seeking freak of nature ???

"I love all the spirited responses. Fun to watch the emotions take over. iPhanatcis are such an easy crowd to antagonize with nothing more than facts."

Sep 27, 08 - 09:09 pm Comment from: MobileAdmin

Are all iphone owners also PS3 owners and have to ride the wave of my device is "BEST"? The smartphone market is going through a huge growth period and it is large enough for a few hardware vendors. I understand Apple has never been a market share leader and it's a desired goal but the gloating for facts that are not the entire picture is just self serving.

I have both (along with a slew of mobile devices that come across my desk) and the iphone sits in the drawer until the weekend and I use it for web browsing / media playback. This past week the last iphone we had out was returned with the usual response the other 15 had "nice but I'm tired of rebooting, lack of battery life etc".

The continued security issues has caused the security team to reconsider allowing iphones to connect to exchange so it's just one more security risk till the iphone is locked out. The simple truth is iphone needs a dedicated server similar to BES and they won't get it from Microsoft so if I was Apple I'd see who I can buy out there if they truely want the enterprise market. (Good?)

As much as you like to believe everyone doesn't want a iphone, I wouldn't be shocked to see sales trickle off as more and more people become aware of it's shortcomings and continued issues (see any apple support forum) Reality is more people are becoming more aware of what a Blackberry provides and it's rock solid push email. So RIM owes Apple for bringing mobility to the masses.

I agree RIM was lagging in pushing new features on their devices but remember their primary focus was email and voice. iphone is primarily a media device that is email capable so it's really an unfair comparision as yeah iphone does a heck of alot more then a Blackberry 7290. The Storm/Thunder will be the 1st true feature to feature comparsion and you can bet Verizon is going to market that thing like crazy.

The past week is reaction to investors not happy with the profit margin .. you can't develop three new device models, increase marketing and lower costs of current devices and keep the same gross. This time next year RIM will be riding a wave of increased market share due to the investment they have made. Apple will be just like they are now .. fixing software issues and making a larger capacity iphone.

This MobileAdmin guy is in a world all his own. He must be a pc phag.

@MobileAdmin:

"The continued security issues has caused the security team to reconsider allowing iphones to connect to exchange so it's just one more security risk till the iphone is locked out."

Security issues? What security issues? What security team? Do you mean the local bozos who try to do their best impression of Mordach the Data Preventer? They got a MSCE after sleeping through 8 hours of Microsoft sales pitch and now they think they know something? I found a website that explains the situation pretty well: http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com

The simple truth is iphone needs a dedicated server similar to BES and they won't get it from Microsoft so if I was Apple I'd see who I can buy out there if they truely want the enterprise market. (Good?)"

@MobileAdmin: "The simple truth is iphone needs a dedicated server similar to BES and they won't get it from Microsoft so if I was Apple I'd see who I can buy out there if they truely want the enterprise market. (Good?)"

Careful what you wish for. Clearwire, a world-wide WiMax (70 Mbps and 30 mile range) broadband provider, with licensed frequencies that can reach 70% of Americans, is for sale and Apple has $20B in cash.

I wonder what is the average age of MDN readers. Most of the time when a commenter makes a rectifying comment that happens to not be scatophilic about non-apple products, a slew of dogmatic retards just bring him/her down. Go Crazylegs!

The fanatics here just follow MDNs lead. This site is all about flaming and nothing about the truth.

Notice all those adds on this page - all MDN wants is to get page hits. If you get people flaming you get more hits.

MDN is ChrissyONe and ZuneTag. Think about it.

Sep 28, 08 - 04:48 am Comment from: makemineamac

Crazylegs has many valid points, and the market is big enough for both Rim and Apple.

For the poster that said they use their Blackberry for work and iPhone the rest of the time, I'm pretty much the same, but would never discount the true, quick functionality my Blackberry gives me during work hours. My iPhone just can't compete in either network-connectivity, battery life or true functionality for work - for me at least.

I average 140 to 150 attachment-based, response-required emails per day. If I had to send the equivalent amount of responses with attachments on my iPhone - whether photos or pdf's - even with 2.1 - which immensely improved my battery life at least - (Crazylegs, I easily get through a 10 hour day now with multiple photos taken and sent, and a small amount of incoming email through Mobile Me and Gmail), there is no way I would make it through the day with my iPhone alone. With my company Blackberry however, I can. Right now, I try to use my iPhone as much as I can for work-related items as possible, but it simply is not at the point where it could replace my Blackberry. Not yet anyway.

I love my iPhone - it is an absolutely amazing device - and is the future of mobile devices - there is no question about it. But this one device will not put Rim out of business, a business that they developed and capitalized on while the iPhone was still a vision in Steve Jobs mind. It's a great success story and they're evolving as a result of this incredible device Apple has built and offered the public. That's a good thing not a bad thing.

They continue to sell an enormous amount of devices, they're a great Canadian company, and have earned their place in the market.

As for better screen quality on my Blackberry - I haven't needed it in 5 years, and have preferred the long battery life I'm assuming this has allowed. They build a solid device. I've dropped my Blackberry more times than I count and it always weathers the storm. Trust me, Rim will be around..

You don't need to be a hater, despite what MDN says....

Sep 28, 08 - 05:41 am Comment from: Shado Control

Bold Sucks

1. I am a home user, and can use mobileme. RIM email is useless.
2. Screen waaaay too small.
3. Can't resize images easily or effectively = useless
4. Web surfing on the iphone is a dream. Web surfing on RIM sucks. Deal breaker.
5. iPhone syncs with all my Apple apps, RIM does not. Again, it's just a brick.
6. My iphone has 16 GB of memory which isn't really enough. Bold has 1 GB = what a complete useless joke!!!
7. Keyboard. I am multi-lingual, and can select different keyboards on the iPhone to suit whomever I am corresponding with. Bold is crappy, ugly hardware based POS.
8. Lasts a whole day easy with the iPhone, Bold a bit longer. Guess what? When I get down to 20% power, I turn off 3G and location services and I get another day out of the iPhone with no loss in practical functionality.

Conclusion? A tie?

Sep 28, 08 - 06:38 am Comment from: makemineamac

@ Shado Control

I too have Mobile Me but to say Rim email is useless? You obviously don't work for a corporation, (you did say you're a home user, which is great), because Rim changed corporate email for everyone I know. It too has been a landscape-changer.

My productivity - as well as everyone else I work with - went through the roof - much to the dismay of our wives and girlfriends - when they rolled out 55,000 devices. Useless? I don't think so. Maybe for you, if that's what you meant.

Web surfing on Blackberry is weak at best - I totally agree with that - however I can use it if I have to check-in for a flight if need be. For everything else I use my iPhone web-wise

I also don't have an issue with the screen size for the email that I do. It works fine for me. Of course the iPhone has an incredible screen, but it also has a larger power drain.

My Blackberry also syncs my Blackberry apps as well I don't have a clue what you're referring to there.

When you say you can't resize images - are you referring to actual 'resizing'. I'm not aware of any Apps yet that perform resizing on the iPhone, but I could be wrong. Are you referring to the 'pinch and zoom' controls on the iPhone? They're great. Amazing even. You can also zoom on a Blackberry - it's not as easy or effective, but it does work.

Your iPhone has 16 GB of memory which you say really isn't enough - for what? Music, Video, or productivity - as in documents and so on? 16GB, while nowhere near enough to hold all my music and video is plenty. I don't use my Blackberry for that purpose, that's what I used to use my iPod for before I got my iPhone. I've never had an issue with memory on my old Blackberry 8300.

Blackberry to my knowledge has always had multi-lingual keyboard capabilities. It's in options.

Turning off services should not be necessary on a device that is touted to be a capable business device. It is going to get better and better though, it's only a matter of time, and I'm sure the iPhone will improve way beyond what we see today.

As someone that travels 3 to 4 days per week all over the country, if someone said you can only have one device besides your laptop, what would it be? At this point - as much as I would hate doing it - I would still have to choose the Blackberry. For now at least. That will likely change however in the next iterations of this amazing device.

The iPhone, as I mentioned previously, is an astounding device. When you see what it is capable of it really is amazing.

I still like my Blackberry too. But again, that's just me. For those that can use an iPhone like yourself and not need a Blackberry or the extended battery life it provides - great! I'm glad it's working for you. Hope it will work for me too soon at some point. We're not there yet...

Sep 28, 08 - 06:39 am Comment from: MobileAdmin

Your right I am in a different world: that of a mobile professional for a fortune 100 company supporting thousands of mobile devices so yeah, the things I think about and opinions are a little different then the average home user so buys a device due it's coolness factor.

@Zeke: In case you missed the ongoing secuirty risks the iphone has had:

1. Circumvent the policy passcode with home screen button - fixed in 2.1 but geez that made a lot of people device when you work for a company that was SEC/SOX regulations to follow. Remember companies deal with NPI data not just itunes content.

2. Image Cached folder - again NPI data and if someone wanted to get information off a iphone without whole device encryption this is a huge risk. CA and soon MA are putting into law mobile devices used for business are REQUIRED to be encrypter. Presently iphone cannot be.

That would be our company security team, every large enterprise has one and yeah they suck but the above concerns are legit so as I said .. continued security concerns won't do Apple any favors.

@Shado: good points but many of them are not really relevant

1. Are the MobileMe issues resolved? They putting up four 9's yet? I'll agree comparing iphone to BIS service it's a draw but against a BES, blackberry will win hands down.

2. agree - storm should put that to at least a tie ..
3. I guess if you deal with images all day yeah ... not a function I use much
4. Again .. web browsing is hands down slick on iphone, deal breaker though? for a home user - sure.
6. Subjective .. if you want to sync your media collection no doubt .. latest Blackberry OS supports up to 32gb microSD cards .. so at least Blackberry is expandable if neeed without having to buy a new device.
7. Blackberry allows input as well viewing pretty much any lanuage needed

I have never been much of a "my product is better than yours" kinda guy .. I buy the technology that I want to use. The pent up hardcore apple users need to stop thinking everything in the world is pc vs apple .. it's technology and other companies make some nice stuff. RIM is far from anything like Microsoft so stop hating on them due to they are the market gold standard.

Sep 28, 08 - 09:19 am Comment from: Shado Control

@MobileAdmin
@Makemineamac

Thanks for the passive aggression and the lectures about the completely obvious.

But WOW!! You guys really can't even read. Congratulations!

I suggest you start by reading the first clause of Point 1 again: "I am a home user". When I say that, I mean I am a private consultant, not connected to any single company or IT department, so I use my phone all day for both personal and business reasons.

Are anyone elses needs in any way relevant to mine? NO!

All the points I made were relevant to me, yet you both insist on contradicting ME with what YOU think is best for YOU or some other corporate user. WHY do I care?! How on earth is that sh*t relevant to me?!

RIM products are only of any use to business folk who have the phone paid for and set up by a corporate IT department. The server alone that the corporation needs to install costs anywhere from 25 to 50 thousands of dollars, depending on a bunch of factors that come into negotiation.

Of what possible use is that to ME?

Maybe this situation will change when their new product line comes out.

Maybe they'll come out with stuff in some way remotely useful for people who aren't interested or able to acquire corporate IT provided phones.

Maybe they'll come out with stuff that syncs with iPhoto, iCal and iTunes.

Maybe they'll come out with a web browser that 90% of people consider usable. Look at the statistics. Nobody with a RIM uses internet much, and see if you can work out why.

Maybe they'll come out with something with at least 16 GB of memory, instead of the completely pointless 1 GB.

Maybe they'll come out with acceptable touchscreen technology instead antiquated hardware based keyboards.

Maybe they'll have a web store with thousands of web apps to choose from.

And maybe they'll manage to implement all that as well and as cheaply as an iPhone.

Here's to the future!

In the meantime, my iPhone does everything I need that the Blackerries cannot.

Cheers

Looks like we have a 'mobile admin' wanna be in here that not only has no clue but has his facts skewed big time. If he is fortune 100 we are all doomed.

Sep 28, 08 - 11:19 am Comment from: Crazylegs

The best part of this is we are all sitting here making these predictions, giving our opinions like we really know what the vast majority of mobile phone users will eventually do because we have our own unique set of experiences and inherent biases that shape those opinions/predictions. But the reality is that 99% of mobile phone users have never gone on a blog or posted their opinions, etc. They don't care much. They just want a handset that takes care of their needs and will buy what works for them. So please don't tell me that everyone wants an iPhone and I won't tell you everyone wants a Blackberry. I will tell you the market is huge and growing by the day so any mobile handset that brings some form of value to the end user should be able to sell more and more devices in time.

What a "snapy" debate. Where is ZuneTang & his view?

Sep 28, 08 - 07:18 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

MobileAdmin: There's a new gold standard!

I know my post is not going to make anyone change his/her mind but what the hell, here's my 2 cents.

The iPhone is gonna take over the market. All these RIMMers can just eat their shorts. (All puns intended).

You RIMMers are arguing over what RIM does NOW. The iPhoners and the ones long AAPL and short RIMM (and making money by the way) are looking at WHAT WILL BE.

You guys are like arguing that DELL still has great marketshare and that the Mac will never take off until it starts running x86 and Windows natively.

Duh!

Like one poster said, look at what CRAP RIM has achieved with its extensive channel reach. And what Apple has done in JUST ABOUT A YEAR.

It's like how crappy Microsoft has been with so many advantages and yet it's still losing the battles and the war.

Anyways enough said. The only thing RIM can hang onto are the IT administrators who do not want to hassle with iPhone. It is exactly like the Windows job-security thing. Only this time, people are more insistent on using iPhones and they work seamlessly with MS Exchange anyway so there is no more excuse.

IT admin losers. (At least the ones that refuse to evolve due to fear).

"But the reality is that 99% of mobile phone users have never gone on a blog or posted their opinions, etc. They don't care much. They just want a handset that takes care of their needs and will buy what works for them."

Yeah, and 99% of the people I talk to, from all walks of life, want an iPhone. The only reason they don't have one yet is the money thing. Either the device cost, or the carrier contract. Those will change and Apple will release better iPhones at lower cost. Just like iPods.

CLEAN UP TIME!

RIMMers go find another J.O.B. fast. There's only one thing a company always does, when revenue doesn't come in.

Yes I agree the iPhone sucks battery life.

This is why I got a desk cradle and/or a USB cable, which is attached to my iPhone and charging it, WHEN I AM AT MY COMPUTER. Which is at least 50% of the day, if not 80%.

All I need is the iPhone to have power when I am away from my computer, or my bedside table, or my car.

The extra benefit of the USB connection is that I can easily sync everything so all my photos, files, music, podcasts, email, addresses, calendar, etc. are in sync. (I get the PIM stuff in sync anyway over-the-air).

This charging business is a MINOR HASSLE when compared to the MAJOR USEFULNESS AND USABILITY of the iPhone. Especially the iPhone 3G. Ever try to find the client's office in a hurry?

Sep 29, 08 - 09:38 am Comment from: Shado Control

@iPhoneatic
@Battery Life

Those are exact points I wanted to say, but had already burnt up enough time and space and bored everyone.

Thanks for an intelligent and succinct posts.