At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh computers using Intel microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007.
Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs’ keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system (3.6GHz Pentium 4-based) along with preview versions of Apple’s software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs.
“Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO in the press release. “It’s been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel’s technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years.”
“We are thrilled to have the world’s most innovative personal computer company as a customer,” said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel in the press release. “Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come.”
“We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft’s Macintosh Business Unit in the press release. “We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform.”
“We think this is a really smart move on Apple’s part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe.
The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $999 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. Further information for Apple Developer Connection members is available at developer.apple.com
Intel plans to provide industry leading development tools support for Apple later this year, including the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Apple, Intel Fortran Compiler for Apple, Intel Math Kernel Libraries for Apple and Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for Apple.
What? Np new products? It’s all good and well to switch to an Intel processor, as long as there is no funny sticker on my box. But, come on, show us something new…
A BMW now running with a Chevrolet engine
You can fuck with Jobs (Gates), but don’t embarass him publicly (IBM, Morotola, Disney).
First Post?
Will this make Macs cheaper?
Will OSX still rock?
Will Apple stick make rock solid Macs?
Lets all hope so!
Isn’t the Pentium line near the end of it’s road?
This was a developers conference, there was something new, if you are a full Apple development member, you can order a Intel based Mac + sample applications already ported for $999 to use for the next year to test your own applications on.
They say that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Steve Jobs today killed off the future of Apple Hardware. The announcement was made with flourish and kind speeches by the new chip supplier, Intel. Had apple wanted Intel as the chip of choice, that decision could have been made at least 25 years ago…
I could be sad about all of this and I admit that I am. But I’m going to celebrate the new world order. I’m going to go out and buy an AMD based 64 bit laptop, I know I can pick one up for under 900. It isn’t going to be the best 17 inch powerbook I’ve been saving for over the past few months, I’m not going to be a sucker for this stuff again.
I’m also going to stop the 50 to 75K of business that I would have given Apple networking via significant investment in multiple Xserves.
I believe in the future. That’s why I’m now going to start stepping away from Apple and embracing the future, I believe it’s called LINUX.
First thing that comes to mind – Why Intel and not AMD?
Second thing – Who is going to buy any Macs in the next 12 months?
I just feel sorry for anyone who has just bought a G5 Mac. I was looking at a 2GHz G5 iMac, but not now.
This is a major risk Apple are taking and could kill the momentum the Mac is finally getting.
One last thing – Intel? x86? That means Palladium. I don’t want a computer that could potentially report back to third parties what I’m working on. It’s one of the reasons I use OSX and not Windows in the first place.
Stunned.
Great, so now the big question is if I buy a PowerMac now like I was planning on, will there be new cool software released in 2-3 years which will only run on an Intel Mac? That would kinda suck. I really really need to get a new Mac but this has thrown me a major curve. Now I don’t know WHAT to buy! An iMac cuz their cheaper and I can save my money to buy the new platform maybe? Man the timing on this sucks. I wish I woulda bought a PowerMac 2 years ago instead of holding out for a G5 laptop. Then it would be getting long in the tooth at about the right time to get one of the new machines.
MW: earlier – Duh!
This has great potential for Intel to gain prestige being involved in making powerful, elegant, reliable computer technology, no longer being strapped to Franken$oft, low-tech, etch-a-sketch trash!
Time will tell.
YAY!
…speechless…
Well, red Porsche driving “Appleinsider”. You were saying that this was NOT the announcement weren’t you. Any comment?
I say this is great news for the next gen of Apple Mac. Microsoft won’t be happy.
Steve lied to us.
I am still on for lunch.
Why wonĀ“t Microsoft be happy?
This validates their hardware platform.
As my post just prior to this announcement said
It is the sofware.
if Bill can do it, so can Steve
Watch the stock double in two years
Actually, Microsoft needs to be unaffected by this for Intel’s sake. They’re a major bread-and-butter partner.
A few of things…
I find it amusing that Microsoft are moving to the PPC for their next generation gaming/computing and Apple is switching to Intel, I hope this isn’t bad timing on Apples part
I would assume Apple has a better idea of where Intel will be in 2007 and what type and speed of processors will be available.
It seems almost inevitable the last year or so has seen pitifully embarrassing processor speed bumps from IBM and Apple have been squeaking every ounce of power out of them, Steve promised and I am sure was promised form IBM 3 GHZ and it ain’t happening.
It will be interesting to see where the X-Serves go
This is the WORST KEYNOTE EVER!!!
I’ve been told Jobs did his demo on a PENTIUM 4!!! What a MORON. Back to 32 bits now??!!!
All of our Apple hardware resale value just took a DUMP because it’s now all LEGACY. This SUCKS.
And for what? What is the benefit to consumers in going BACK to a freaking 32-bit Pentium 4!!!??? All the trouble of porting and buying (yet again) all new hardware because Job’s proves “IT’S NOT SLOWER”.
Apple can kiss my *ss. They soooo lost me.
Watch the Apple PPC dump-fest on E-Bay over the next year.
Finally – for all us recently, or in the transition of switching, it’s great to see that Apple itself is “switching” to a processor company that will respect it, and develop for it.
This is the most exciting news of the year for Mac enthusiasts – or it should be. Now the best OS in the WORLD will gain much-deserved market share. I can’t believe Microsoft showed up and said they would support it. Much as I love Windows, and I do, they must be freaking out right now. There is NO WAY they are going to be able to top this – Longhorn or not.
And as for those who say they won’t buy Apple in the next year or so, that’s too bad. You Apple supporters helped them get to where they are today – and this is just another step in the evolution of one of the worlds greatest companies. I’ll continue buying – now, and in the future.
THIS is exciting!
Just because it’s Intel, doesn’t mean it will be any of the existing chips per se, does it? Judging from the Developer PC they are offering, it must be compatible, but it could be something unique to Apple when it finally comes out. Not that “unique” is the key point, but rather they could possibly fix some of the things that people don’t like about the Pentium chips.
Obviously they will not be using a Pentium 4, since the first Mac mini with an Intel chip wount hit the market for a year – and the transition will be ‘complete’ by the end of 2007, they will undoubtedly run on the next generation chip.
Also – how is Mac running on Intel not a ‘new product?’
Also – Jobs says there are still ‘plenty of PPC products in the pipeline. Perhaps they are going to continue PPC – just not as the CPU for their computers. After all, that’s what the game boxes are doing.
This seems like a logical move at this point. Consider also that Microsoft may have been planning to make Longhorn and its related technologies so as to build in greater incompatabilities between it and Apples architecture. If so, Apple was smart to move to Intel now so they can compete on a more level playing field with the Monster from Redmond.
I think the Pentium is for dev’ers. Look at the time frame of release for Intel Mac’s. I would asume it won’t be Pentiums but one of the newer models. You’ll get Ghz for gamming and an Apple OS for productivity. You do know that “Altivec” is not PowerPC only. Intel has it too (different name). What if Intel has some new tricks up it’s sleve, let’s let the future tell us. Remember, Apple have almost always had a slightly slower CPU with more horsepower. Now we will have an even playing field. Let’s see what Tiger can do on the same CPU. I own a brand new iMac G5 that kicks ass. I can always do more than my PC buddies and they know it But I will wait and see what the great Apple team can do with Intell CPU’s. My CPU is 1.6 Ghz and I smoke the Pentium 4’s my buddies have (exept in gamming). Now Imagine what Apple could do with a nice 4 Ghz 64 bit chip. I will not let preconcieved notions dictate the future of my computing. If it works well then all is good. If not then?
Did you guys see Joe Tanakas’ response? Perfect. I thought it was the “OS” Joe. What difference does the chip make? They haven’t even announced what chips or what the pricing is. Hahaha.
Just what I predicted. All you macheads are bailing ship like a bunch of lemmings.
The stench of death is upon Apple.
Well, I guess I won’t be buying a new Mac anytime soon. Apple better comes up with some kick ass machines next year if they want my business a couple of years from now. And if I ever get a MacTel PC, first thing I’d do is to rip the damn Intel sticker to shreds.
As a Mac zealot, I just hate the idea of “Intel Inside.” Damn IBM for screwing things up as well. We are loosing the “us against the world” feel factor that made the Mac so cool and exclusive.
Anyway, my take is that the stock is going to take a hit in the short term, but will rebound eventually. Perhaps another buying opportunity? After all, it’s the OS that matters. Or perhaps I am totally wrong ,,, š
Question: if they’re running OS X on an (and I’m guessing) unmodified P4, what will stop Joe Blow from getting a copy of OS X on their Dell or Gateway?
my predictions were right, apple did release mac on intel. i just bought my laptop 9 months ago, and it really felt sad. but like i said, softwares will still run on both powerpc and intel for about 2-3 years, by that time it will be good to purchase an upgrade. i don’t know if apple is ready for the consequence for this year, i bet macintosh sales will really be LOW…LOW…LOW. im not going to buy any mac products this year nor the year after…
Ok, can someone explain something to me… He didn’t mention what chips they are using. Everyone seems to be assuming it’s the Pentium family. I know Apple was involved with IBM/Freescale to develope the G4/G5 line of chips. So are is Apple/Intel going to develop a new breed of chip based on Intels designs just for Apple? or are the going to use off the shelf designs they have now? (Kind of like the xBox 360 is using a customized G5)
Someone, please, explain the rationale for any business to buy Apple computers any time in the next year!?!?!
What is Apple thinking?!?!?!
Ah, another great response from “Ex-Apple Customer”
This is great. Like watching a train crash.
Hey you can have your Apple and eat it too!
A great day for me. Wow.
This is great news. I can’t wait for my dual-core PentiumM PowerBook!
=)
This is a sad day in the history of Apple. From here the future is now full of complete uncertainty. God pray for us in the hour that Apple has turned to the dark side.
I love how all of these irony-challenged “Mac zealots” feel so betrayed over Apple leaving IBM.
Does this mean Intel will be changing their name to iNtel?
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The Pentium is only at the end of its road if you believe the stuff you read on this forum, and you don’t search elsewhere. Of course there are a lot of people in here that are going to say they knew the x86 was better all a long. Where were you before today?
Lots have been talking about how hot and power hungry the x86s are compared to the G5s. Yet canāt explain why there are notebooks (yes, some thinner than a PowerBook) based on the latest that Intel and AMD offer. But no G5 mobile, I wonder why? There are even notebooks with the Athlon64 chip. 64bit notebooks, go figure. Thatās sounds pretty good for a ādeadā platform. Itās like the people saying this stuff donāt even hear themselves. I see the same people saying they are saving their money for a shiny new G5 PB. Or even funnier, a 10-core cell. When Apple themselves said they are too hot and need too much power for now.
PC hardware is just better. The OS sucks, but the hardware is superior. The video cards are years ahead. I know itās popular to bash the gaming on windows, but nothing crushes a computer like pushing all those pixels in a 3D environment. If the pc hardware can do that it can do anything the current Mac can do, but faster in most cases; those couple of Photoshop filters that run 2 millionth of a nano second faster on a G5 not withstanding. After all, they donāt show you the 2 filters that run 2 millionth of a nano second faster in windows. So, if your job is only applying those 2 filters all day, my heart goes out to you. Not because you will now be doing them 2 millionth of a nano second slower; but because your job sucks. Over all the two platforms are about the same in terms of speed in everyday usage.
Intel and AMD have both launched dual-core 64bit chips and AMD has a dual-core 64bit mobile chip coming later this year. This is a good move. Iām not saying the PPC is an inferior technology, itās not, but if IBM doesnāt develop chips that Apple wants and needs it āisā pointless. At least now we can see the real difference between a Mac and a windows box, I believe itās the OS.
Ex-Apple Customer: Why so hot under the collar? All your existing computers will still work. Even if Apple didn’t switch to Intel, they would still be obsolete some day. I can guarantee that all the major software developers will support both, because obviously most people are not going to go out and buy a new computer just to get Intel. And developers need to sell software to make money, so they’ll develop for both.
As far as the old Intel vs. PPC arguments, this proves nothing. We’ve known for years that driver optimization is one key point (which has been a little lacking on the Mac side). Still, in many ways, PPC did prove faster. The problem is that IBM has dropped the ball, and what was once faster is now losing ground with each passing year. If IBM can’t keep up, Apple needs to switch to SOMETHING to be a viable platform. Speed is an important element in our world of advanced applications, and new technologies demand more of it.
MW: “work” as in, I think Apple’s plan will work.
The dark side?
LOL
It’s a CPU. Calm down people… Mac hardware and software will be as awesome as ever, only it won’t lag behind the PC world in terms of performance anymore.
Frankly, what’s inside the box is really immaterial as long as it has the usual quality that Apple is known for. If OS X runs the way it should and all my apps continue to hum along, I won’t care.
If you think this means that OS X will run on any vanilla box, you’ll be sadly mistaken. You’ll still need a Mac from Apple. I don’t see SJ getting sucked into the morass of hardware that is the M$ nightmare.
Leopards can change their spots and Leopard should ship with binaries for both PPC and the new Intel hardware. If Apple engineers have kept OS X current on both platforms since 10.0, there will be no problem. Their tough job in 1999-2000 was to port NeXT over to the PPC.
I don’t get to rev my hardware for another two years but I’ll have no problem with the new hardware, especially a nice fast iBook!
MDN MW: “major” as in major changes ahead.
Yeah it does make me wonder. Upgrade soon and wait or buy new and wait two years. Hmm.
At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh computers using Intel microprocessors, Microsoft operating systems and Dell hardware, by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors, Microsoft Longhorn and Dell Dimensions by the end of 2007. Steve Jobs noted that “I’ve been leading a double life for five years . . . Pentium rules!”
SJ must have been VERY pissed at IBM:
“I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven’t been able to deliver that to you,” said Jobs. “But as we look ahead, and though we’ve got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can’t envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap,” said Jobs.
Now one hint: the Intel roadmap. What Jobs describes below is not current x86 road map but the future MP 64-bit chip families based on an evolution of the PentiumD 64-bit from Intel:
“When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PowerPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel’s roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do,” he explained.
in mid-2006 it is not x86 32-bit of today to produce the above. Maybe SJ got lured by the prospective of quad-processors Macs that IBM – as it seems clear now – must have told him “Forget about that” as well as to the “3.0 GHz G5”.
I gave this scenario the least possibility although not excluded it but it still leaves me thoughtful. All of a sudden, I think in Hell they are buying heaters now.
Vive long the new IT … COMMUNISM.
(by the way.
Is not the OS. stupid.
It is everything. stupid.
Mac was unique. stupid.
apple, dell, lenovo, lenin computers … same)
This is BS. What am I supposed to do now? I need a new G5 for video work, but buying it now just makes it LEGACY HARDWARE immediately!!!! I like to purchase systems that are going to last me more than 1 to 2 years. These “transparent and dynamic” bindings are another way to say instability. I hate compatibility modes. I hated OS Classic emulation. We just got passed that and now this.
I’m not saying that I’m leaving, I’m just saying that I am in a tough position now. I think that this has put alot of people in a tough position. Hopefully more details will come out soon. If this is all we get for now, it’s going to be a long year and a half…..
Oh yeah: “stantheman” – bite me
Wow, the white flag is flying high over Cupertino…
Where should I start…
ā¢ I thought the PowerPC was the bomb it: ran cool had low power consumption and was 64 bit
ā¢ now we are to believe that a 32 P4 and a Dell box is the bomb
If this was not so sad it would be funny. Mr. Jobs is trying to sell us a Dell Computer running OS X via some seamless background magic!
Today is the day that Apple died, only it was a suicide.
Why would anyone in the “real IT world” abandon a proven OS with years of hardware support for a brand new OS that has never ran on our hardware?
Ā©
ps Apple may have had something with 64 bit on custom built hardware now they are nothing.
The biggest difference in Job’s “transition” arguments was that each transition was to a superior alternative. I don’t see ANY evidence that Intel is a superior architecture to 64-bit PPC we have today. Cheaper, yes. Better? no.
The OSX, Pentium 4 developer builds will be pirated out in every torrent site known to man. Good going Apple.
What’s next, Product Activation?
This is great news. Macs will still be ahead, just because of the OS. Hi Stan, past your bedtime isn’t it? Does your mom know you’re up?
You don’t think that Apple and Intel will just stand still for one year, and then cram a one-year-old chip inside the Mac mini, do you?
Everyone complaining about the current P4 not being 64bit etc, grow up and think outside the box.
I guarantee that the first “Mactel” machine won’t come with a chip that’s state of the art today! It will be state of the art when it comes out.
Will OSX still rock?
you’d think that q would have been answered when SJ told everyone the very Mac he was using during the Keynote had a 3.6Ghz Intel chip inside..
*ahem
Who would buy an Apple computer now?
Can you imagine trying to convince a PC owner to switch?
“But isnĀ“t Apple going to use the same computer chip as my Windows computer?”
Now we know why there has been no advertising.
Jobs has to save every penny to see if he can survive the next 3 years….
Wow, lots of hand-wringing going on. Really ridiculous. Hey folks, give Jobs et al. a little credit – they’ve been planning this coup for five years (every OS X ever has run on Intel). You think they’re not looking ahead? You really think they’re banking on the future of the Pentium and not dual-core Opterons or some other hot new Intel architecture? Come on. Apple has seen Intel’s roadmap for the next five years at least. They know what’s coming, and apparently they think it looks pretty good.
“Oh no, Apple’s lost my business.” Sheesh. You’d think Apple was about to start shipping Windows boxes with Apple logos on ’em. I’m quite sure that Macs will continue to be Macs, with tight hardware specs and running OS X. Do I care what CPU is inside? No. I just want it to be fast and efficient. What I care about is OS X, Apple apps, and full hardware integrity and support. How do Intel CPUs change any of this?
Apple will no doubt build Macs in such a way that only Macs can run OS X. These will not be generic Intel boxes. On the other hand, the presence of an Intel CPU might enable them to also run Windows natively. Think about the implications for market penetration. How may consumers and enterprises would love to have a single box that would run OS X and Windows natively at full speed? And gamers – hello? Apple could be the world’s only vendor of a truly OS-agnostic box.
Apple has neatly sidestepped the software-porting issue with Rosetta and Xcode 2.1. Who knows what other tricks they have up their sleeves? One thing is sure – this transition has been carefully planned for years. It it not a last-gasp desperation measure forced by IBM’s recalcitrance. Rather, it is likely just one the start of a series of judo moves Apple has planned to turn the whole computing world on its head. I, for one, am very, very intrigued.
Right on Sputnik!
Hello? Are we not seeing the irony here? Intel finally gets to crawl out from under Bill’s thumb! It’s great news for Intel. And it’s a unique challenge for Apple and Intel to push the Mac OS X platform to new heights.
Exactly what Majikthize said above!
Put me in the column of people who were going to buy a new Mac, but is not now.
Sigh….another 2-3 year wait…
I guess that the Amiga (PowerPC Inside) will become my computing future. Maybe I’ll start programming again and help Amiga go forward.
Come on, anybody with me???
Why, if the final architecture is NOT Pentium 4 32-bit, would Apple be handing out OS X development kits for Pentium 4 x86 with the marching orders to “make it all work on a Pentium 4.”??
If next year’s Macs used a different, BETTER x64/PPC architecture, wouldn’t it be pointless in handing out P4, 32bit development kits?
The silence of a better alternative leaves me to believe that they’re going to slap in some crappy P4’s.
This is Apple’s worst day.
OK…
I understand that Jobs is angry at IBM and is moving to Intel.
I understand that OS X rus on Intel already (not suprising since OS X is NeXT Step which ran on Intel)
What I don’t understand is that this is unlike Jobs. He is very secretive. He does not make hardware announcement this far in advance.
I was surprised that he just kept everything in limbo, announced some new Airport Express 2 and mentioned nothing about Intel until next year when it was ready to be shipped.
I agree – the Intel Macs won’t be able to run windows and windows machines won’t be able to run OS X.
The biggest issue as far as I see is how this news will affect current sales. Apple needs to make it clear that macs bought in the last few years will be support by both the OS and third party apps.
Majikthize – its not that IntelĀ“s roadmap looks so good, it is that IBMs looks so bad.
About a year or so ago Jobs saw the sh*t hit the fan as far as the future of IBM making chips for Apple.
It was broke and would not be fixed.
Where else could Jobs go???
If the IBM thin would have worked out we would have been seeing 4Ghz processors in Macs today. But it totally flopped.
Jobs had no choice but to go INtel.
He is now spinning it like it was a match made in heaven waiting to happen.
B.S.
Jon: this is not the issue. Intel has 64-bit chips, evolving on the PentiumD 64-bit ones. The issue is the loyal Mac user base that will most probably betrayed and indeed the fact that next year Macs will most probably be superior to todays G5s, hence the risk of seeing Mac sales drop considerably.
We have at the lab our sw run on the G5, on Pentium and AMD with Linux.
The G5 rocks today but if IBM roadmap tells Apple that in 2 years this will not be the case and that IBM will not be able to keep up (unfortunately everyone here have been screaming for the promised never realized 3.0 GHz G5) with evolving into the G6 – especially not able to deliver a laptop with those – Apple must have been between a rock and a hard place.
If what SJ says is true (at best 15 vs 70 in computational units per Watt in two years) he might have saved Apple from death a second time. They have been quite good at keeping secret the quagmire IBM must have been in the last year.
Anyway, do not expect to be able to get OS X on a Dell, even if they have the same chip: the open firmware will be different and you will still HAVE TO buy an Apple computer if you want to run Leopard.
I got mine on order.
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Send one to an Apple employee of your choice.
What a lousy keynote.
Other than the Intel bad news. What else have they announced that’s new or improved in hardware or software?
iTunes podcasting. Big freaking deal.
Linux is looking better & better.
I have a 3.4Ghz Pentium 4 inside my computer.
Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, etc, etc, works great!
Come join the fun! We always new Intel was better!
All these people screaming the sky is falling, please take a look at all the comments people where making when Apple switched to the PowerPC.
“What Apple is teaming up with IBM?!?”
Get a grip. It’s a good thing, your crazy if you think otherwise.
Phil Shiller has already come out and said you “WILL NOT” be able to put OSX on any intel box. They will come only from Apple. You can however, be able to run windows natively and they will not try to stop that. That is great new.
of course hackers will find a way to make this run on your homegrown pc box I’m sure. Hell, they kinda have the ppc version of OSX working.
I’m yet to read where Steve re-engineers his “Power PC is best for reason X Y Z” into “I made that up”.
We gonna see OSX on traditional windows boxes? With their endless lists of 3rd party add on hardware to make the OS belch and grind to a halt?
Not professing to know the ins and outs of this, but it Just Feels Wrong.
I think its premature to dump on Apple for this, it seems like Apple’s usual well thought out transistions, and I think it should be relatively obvious even to the blind that the PPC has gone almost no-where for two years and the gaming versions of the PPC probably would not work in a Mac.
However it does have various effects, some mentioned here, it makes PPC a legacy technology, which makes every PPC Mac when its bought instantly worth less to resell it, irregardless of whether its better or not.
Since its not clear which Intel Processor will appear in a future Mac, one cannot say whether it will merely be a 32-bit chip or a P4 etc. But if its a Dual core, with a 1ghz or better bus speed, hyper-threaded, with Dual-channel memory, it could easily start to give a G5 a run for its money… time will tell
We just switched to a PowerMac G5 and a PowerBook 15″. We switched to get away from Wintel machines. Now I have two pieces of equipment that are immediately obsolete. Apple pulled this stunt in the late 80’s/early 90’s — introducing machines that would not be supported in 1-2 years. And who can believe that developers, including Apple, will continue software work for two different processors? This is a disaster for us and now I simply do not know what to do. Maybe a quill pen? Sheesh.
I think Apple has positioned itself to re-establish a joint hardware market. Now with manufacturing under a common header (Intel), the possibility of introducing OS-X computers under joint parterships comes back to light.
I think the companies who have wooed SJ for OS-X licensing may have hardware announcement tied into this deal.
More to follow…
I just bought a new Powerbook two days ago!
I see no problem with keeping my new PowerBook. It will be at least a couple of years before an Intel-based PowerBook is available along with enough titles in universal binary mode, and until then everything will run better on my G4 anyways. When I do upgrade in a couple of years, it will be a really smooth transition by then.
A new Mac is the best way to weather the coming transition.
I think the Amiga is the future for those opposed to Mac with Intel Inside. I would feel dirty to use a Mac powered by a Pentium.
So developers will be able to make intel/ppc fat programs for the future transitions period… but what about the software I already own? I will be forced to pay to upgrade stuff I shouldn’t have to. And what about peripherals? How many of us had external drives, scanners, printers, gamepads/joysticks, tablets, ixTV cards, etc that we can’t use on OSX because the drivers were never upgraded? I know I had quite a few peripherals and programs that I had to leave behind. The same thing is gonna happen again.
MW: “Away”, as in “I’m blown away.”
Is this the same place where people praise Jobs and thank him for making Apple what is it? Steve has got a plan and I’m willing to bet that in 2-3 years all of you nay sayers will be praising him all over again. For the past 2-3 years I’ve heard nothing but complaints about lack of chip supply and lack of speed. I would hope that this move will solve those issues and more.
Have a little faith!
To Thomas > (exept in gamming)>
You do know, I hope, that GAMMING, in some parts of the world, is what is now called a Lewinski!
You probably meant GAMING.
MW-into, as in m–th.
I posed a question yesterday that many scoffed at. Some guy who thought developing apps for Apple gave him some mystical insight into Apple’s business plans and a few others. We even had a nice guy by the name of Newmanstein who claimed the pants were coming off and he was running around his building.
But more importantly I was looking for the “armchair CEO’s”. Where are you guys, the group that is so sure they know Apple’s next move. Like no Video Pods, no Intel inside, no Flash based MP3 player. All because……say it with me “Jobs said that would never happen”. And yet of the things I mentioned only 1 hasn’t happened……..yet. The VideoPod. Now I want to see who the first sucker is who is going to step up to the plate and claim there is no Video Pod coming down the pipe. Come on, where are my people with their bold predictions. Are you busy choking on all that crow? Not feeling so secure in your Apple predictions now? Doubts? Shadows in your path?
Come on, is ANY MAC ZEALOT going to now be able to say anything will or wonāt happen at Apple with ANY SHRED OF CERTAINTY AGAIN? This includes MDN themselves who scoffed and at the initial Intel reports. Calling us basically idiots for even believing it.
Come on people, who will be the first to step forward and admit their mouths are writing checks that Apple is not cashing. Don’t be shy, we are all here for you. Oh and Newmanstein put your pants back on. No one needs to see that.
However it does have various effects, some mentioned here, it makes PPC a legacy technology, which makes every PPC Mac when its bought instantly worth less to resell it, irregardless of whether its better or not.
Trust me, I’ll be buying my last Mac (IBM PowerPC Inside) on the eve of the June 2006 transition to Intel. I am assuming Apple will have some great discounts to offer.
After that, I’ll more than likely transition to a PowerPC-based Amiga running OS4 and yes, it will be better than anything Mac or Windows on Intel!
Just sold all my apple stock. It’s downhill from now on. Nobody’s going to buy Macs until the transition and developers are not going to be happy. Steve finally blew it, I’m afraid.
All you guys STOP FLAME BAITING and STOP BEING BITTER. I know this is a Huge shock, but if you read carefully there is NO PROBLEM WITH BUYING A PPC MAC NOW as the programmes for at least leapord and beyond will run on BOTH INTEL and PPC thanks to transitive. So relax, by a mac, use OS X and enjoy the revolution that apple has adopted with cross architeture computing.
I know this would have been a disaster if it broke all legacy apps but THAT IS NOT THE CASE. So don’t be bitter and say bye to apple, remember all the good times you have had with it in the past. The future is bright, and apple is thinking different ™ which is a good thing.
Just my 2 great britain pence
gruchy
This, this, is the greatest day of my life. LOL
I am gonna buy a Dual G5 asap and keep it as long as possible. The Xcode developer tools will support PPC for a very long time. We know that Video 2000 and Betamax lost against an inferior VHS, it is too painful to see it happen again. As a Mac user this is the ultimate humiliation.
Ya know, the funny thing is that a few years back, I, as a PC user was Pi**ed with Apple for buying Emagic (Logic Audio). I LOVED that app and used it extensively on my PC. Apple bought Emagic and stopped all development on x86. Had to go out and buy a PowerMac. NOW they want me go out and buy another Intel Mac. SCREW THEM.
I have been wondering how Apple would add PCIe to Macs. More recently, I wondered how Apple would add WiMAX. It looks like Apple can work both of those in by switching over to Intel CPU’s at the same time. Do I feel betrayed? Sort of…After all, we suffered through years of Motorola 68030 and 68040 development lethargy before the AIM alliance and the PowerPC. Then it got stuck on 500MHz and did not evolve past the G4 until AIM split and Apple jumped on board with IBM and the G5. The promise of a true workstation-derived CPU with a great growth plan withered over the past 18 months, leaving us back in the Motorola 68040 boat. IBM appeared to spend a lot more effort on processors for the Xbox 360 and PS3 than the Mac.
I applaud the fact that Apple has had the foresight to maintain a PPC backout plan over the past five years. I must assume that going to Intel is the best move for Apple. Steve would not have made this move on a whim. However, I do see a lot of potential danger for Apple during this transition over the next two years. I sincerely hope that Apple weathers this transition as well as it did the mid-90’s transition to the PPC.
To answer the question if we’ll see cheaper Macs on Intel, I believe it’s a resounding YES. Imagine the average computer buyer at the computer store. They see Mac and Windows PCs with essentially the same hardware but the PC is $300 less. What will the average lemming buy?
I’m surprised that Apple has chosen to jump into a pool of price wars and cut-throat competition. Apple must be betting on increased market-share to compensate for decreased margins. I do hope this gamble works out.
OK, the biggest problem I have with this is waiting. I like to buy a new Mac ever year, and now I have this paradigm shift screwing up my plans. The Intel switch could not happen fast enough for me. 2007 is NOT acceptable. I want things NOW!!! FREAKING NOW I SAY!!! I just hope iMacs will transition sooner than later. If this switch means more software titles, I’m all for it. I’ve always found OSX sluggish compared to Windows. I can’t imagine the switch would do anything but speed things up.
Watch out Longhorn! The Mac is Back! And better than ever. Just as MS thought they’d won The Mac is coming back and going to show how things should be done.
This is the time to do it (the shift) just as MS is at its weakest – technology wise. Now all pc mags will be able to compare both systems on a level platform.
The Mac is back! May the battle begin!
No viruses and ease of use is available for Intel chips too! You don’t need to get Linux!
My God, are there enough crows on earth to feed all of the mac loyalists today? Boy, bet we’ll see some REALLY cheap iMac G5’s over the next year–how about three for $20?
Hank –
“Its not that IntelĀ“s roadmap looks so good, it is that IBMs looks so bad. Jobs had no choice but to go INtel.”
Agree with you there. But, Steve has clearly seen at least the possibility of the IBM disaster looming for a long time and has planned accordingly. OS X on Intel for 5 years! – they’ve been considering alternatives for a long time. I don’t think we’re going to get stuck with 32-bit P4s.
As for the hysteria about Macs turning into crappy virus-ridden generic PC boxes overnight – were PowerPC Macs any less Mac-like just because they didn’t have 68xxx CPUs in ’em? No. So, why does another CPU switch change anything? Macs will continue to be Macs.
But they might be Macs that can also run Windows natively. Personally, I wouldn’t touch Windows with a 10-foot nuclear cattle prod. But, a lot of current Windows users might be interested in a dual-platform box.
You people are over-reacting. Two things to remember:
1. Steve Jobs knows a heck of a lot more about where the Intel roadmap is leading than anyone here. It will most certainly not be 32 bit. Trust him. He didn’t bring Apple back from the brink of death for nothing. Keep in mind that NeXT dumped the PowerPC and went to Intel too.
2. IBM was once the “enemy” too. Intel has a new CEO who is, reportedly, a very good friend of Steve Jobs. The Intel of the past is not necessarily the Intel of the future.
For those of you saying you won’t buy a new computer now because of what will be available in two years, that’s ridiculous. You might be in the same boat if they stayed with IBM too. Who’s to say in that same time frame, they might come out with a G6 that totally smashed the G5. As for third party software, I think it’ll be more than two years before developers switch completely to Intel based Mac only versions.
I’ll admit that I was dubious about this when the rumors started to grow but I actually feel rather excited about the possibilities now. It forces us to realize that many of our perceptions about Intel were formed by their association with Microsoft. I’m eager to see how OS X does on another chip. And I say this as the very happy owner of a dual 2.5ghz G5. It’s the fastest computer I’ve ever used, even compared to high speed Pentiums and Xeons, but it’s incredibly hot! My office is 5 to 10 degrees hotter than the rest of the house. If IBM can’t make further strides with it and Intel can offer something better, OK. The OS is still the most important thing.
For all you future ex-Apple customers. Since the transistion is nearly a year away, Intel and Apple will have designed a 64 bit chip that will work on Mactel systems. This maybe a different then a Pentium 4 which even Intel has confirmed has reached the end of its design life.
Look at the advantage of it. Game companies will have an easier time porting games to the new platform at a fraction of the cost and we will see games being released for both Mac OS X and Windows at the same time.
PowerPC will still be supported for at least 2-3 years, but I do see less native software being released in the during that time. By then I maybe ready to upgrade. Will it be a Mac? You bet. It’s the OS stupid. I think it’s a good design move for Apple.
For average Mac users like my wife and my son, they couldnāt care less about what kind of CUP inside. In fact, they donāt know what kind of CUP inside, but they are very happy using their Mac everyday with iTune and every software that came with the Mac. They will continue to use Mac for years to come. For more knowledgeable users like me, the implication is the following: Up to date, no matter how Apple trying to dispute the MHz myth, there are people who believe that Intel chips are superior, MHz for MHz. Now the playing field has been leveled. It boils down to who can write better OS source codes than Microsoft? Who can design and built better hardware than Dell, HP? The answer is obvious. So Mac fans, clam down and may all of us live in exciting times!!
Mmmmm….crow.
The funniest thing in my opinion will be to hear the forthcoming logical contortions from the blind zealots who were dissing Intel up until this morning. Now they’re going to be saying that Megahertz does matter, and that the PowerPC sucks.
The big questions for me are which processor exactly we can expect the Mac to adopt, and if there will be a Velocity Engine analog. Also, where does this leave portables, especially since Intel doesn’t (yet) produce a chip with better power characteristics than the PowerPC.
You people act as if you know nothing of Apple’s product line. It all begins with the Mac Mini!!!! Hello-The Mac Mini is 32 bit and will remain 32 bit because it is not a top of the line Mac. In 2007 they will role out the rest of the line and I garuntee you it will be 64 bit. Apple will not be going backwards with the Mac.
Read Majikthize’s post. He’s the only one keeping his head about all of this and making any sense.
What the heck happened to new product announcements?
Does all this Intel news mean nothing new for now?
How interesting, choose a company that has never produced a single CPU that is not a bad joke.
I wont be able to buy a new Mac in the next ten years after this switch.
Depressing
mw ‘anti’ go figure
He had Microsoft by the short hairs and he pulls this. Why didn’t he just bring out OS X for Intel machines and do Windows apps in emulation? Just drop hardware and go for the jugular. Does he take his orders from Redmond?
Here’s a prediction. Longhorn will be fully implemented and widely accepted before the switch to Intel, hardware and apps, is complete.
Anyone who buys Apple hardware before the switch deserves what they get. Anyone who waits will have a choice between a finished Longhorn and Tiger. There won’t be much difference.
As for me, I’ll be using old Macs and new WinTel machines between now and 2008.
Give me a call when the switch is over.
Stan the man posted “This, this, is the greatest day of my life. LOL”
What a pointless and pathetic life you must have then.
The word of the day is value, as in you have no. That must be very sad.
I had $2,000 set aside for a new G5 iMac. I’m going to hold off on that purchase until I figure out what this really means. I
I posted earlier on another thread but felt the need to reassure Mac users in this thread as well.
DO NOT FRET. What we are working on for Apple will be fantastic. When Steve visited (multiple times, I might add, over the last year plus) he was given the keys to everything we had. He inspected us in and out and we showed him our cloak room and all that we have to offer. Face it, IBM was hitting a dead end. Apple had no choice but to shift gears because IBM was not responsive to Apple concerns and also because IBM could no longer efficiently plan ahead for the G5’s development.
Please be patient – the new prototypes of the mobile gear that Apple is planning is going to be amazing.
This is a brave new era for Apple and it will succeed. Steve has been planning this for awhile. He has known for quite some time that IBM could not manage improvement to the G5 spec work set.
Intel was the correct answer.
Speaking impartially…this is going to reap dividends.
Wait till you see the ‘mid ’06 powerbooks!!!
Something I haven’t heard mentioned as of yet:
With Intel (and AMD) including virtualization technology on the next generation chips, how cool would it be to have OSX and Windows (Longhorn?) running SIMULTANEOULSY on the same computer? And NATIVELY to top it off!!!
That would rock.
Viridian,
Hopefully, when the transition takes place, Intel will have cpu’s with comparable power characteristics as today’s PowerPC. This, by no stretch of the imagination, means that PowerPC sucks. It just means that Intel has a better road map. Furthermore, Intel has hardware based DRM that Apple is interested in.
There will be trade offs with the switch but in the long run, I’m sure SJ knows what he’s doing.
What compelling reason is there for me to buy a PPC mac now? I’d be better off buying a cheap windows laptop with a plan to wait a couple of years. But then, I may never go back. Linux and KDE is looking better all the time.
Majikthize says: “But they might be Macs that can also run Windows natively.”
Wouldn’t they then also run Windows virii natively? So much for the virus free mac…
Sputnik –
“ā¢ I thought the PowerPC was the bomb it: ran cool had low power consumption and was 64 bit
ā¢ now we are to believe that a 32 P4 and a Dell box is the bomb”
Today is the day that Apple died, only it was a suicide.”
Talk about willful suspension of disbelief – if you think Apple is going to settle for the dregs of Intel’s outdated parts bin, you’re delusional.
“Why would anyone in the “real IT world” abandon a proven OS with years of hardware support for a brand new OS that has never ran on our hardware?”
“Proven OS”?!?! Hahahahahaha. Whoa… Heehehehe. That’s a good one. Wait a sec, gotta wipe the tears from my eyes.
Okay, there we go. Now, tell me how a Mac running the same CPUs as concurrent PCs but offering both OS X and Windows will be at a disadvantage.
The shock is starting to wear off. Maybe this won’t be so bad. Still don’t like the thought of less native apps for PPC.
Why feel betrayed by Apple? Don’t you think SJ should feel betrayed by IBM? After all he has been eating crow for a full year with that 3.0 GHz not coming around. If IBM really gave Apple the exit (going for console makers as their first customers) what Apple should have done? Stay with IBM knowing they will not deliver? The only way you may stay afloat is by keeping getting better. If G5 stagnates, while today it competes with Opterons and beats the crap out of Xeons in two years it might simply be lousy in comparison. Chip industry never stops guys: if you pause you are way behind.
This said, although everybody here seems to be crying, Windows sucks anyway, Longhorn is a shamble anyway, and OS X is what makes the difference really. Would you be buying a Mac with PowerPC if all it was running was Windows? GET REAL. You buy it because it runs OS X.
Next year you will be buying it because it runs OS X Leopard (which will run on G5 as well), not because it has Intel or PowerPC.
We have Linux boxes here aplenty, Linux on AMD and Intel rocks, stable, fast and all. Still I prefer working on OS X. Will be the same with next Intel generation 64-bit chips with Leopard next year.
I usually change computer every 3 years. Will then run Leopard the first year on the 17″ G4 and the dual G5. Then it will be on Mac computers powered by new generation chips from Intel.
The only issue is: will Intel deliver its roadmap or will be a flop very much Intel-suck-like?
Why do you people keep talking about Pentium. That is a 32-bit platform and Steve said 64-bit Intel. This means Itaninum-II (G-d help us if it is Itaninum)…
I for one, can’t wait to get my hands on a new Intel/Mac.
Gackle the Great states:
Can you imagine trying to convince a PC owner to switch?
“But isnĀ“t Apple going to use the same computer chip as my Windows computer?”
This has got to be THE most ridiculous analogy I’ve come across in YEARS!
And furthermore, I don’t know what some people are so peeved about. They bitch about not getting faster processors and they bitch when Apple tries to give it to them. They act like Apple is going through all this just to screw ’em over. (That Mac elitist attitude again). Isn’t it obvious that IBM isn’t exactly “catering” to Apple’s needs very well. If they can develop a 3GHZ for Microsoft’s Xbox, why the f**k can’t they put some more effort into the G5?
Like many other people, I’m still settling from the shock, but I’m sure the guys at Cupertino have a damn good reason for making this decision. And I trust them.
For you self proclaimed “Apple Experts”, “Analysts” and others that said this wouldn’t happen, get in at barbecue. Guess what’s on the menu? That’s right you know-it-alls, crow!
Rock on Stevo!
I like how “Deep Inside Intel” uses the phrase “speaking imparitially.” That gave me a nice chuckle… a (supposed) Intel employee trying to pass himself off as impartial on this… very funny…
“What’s next, Product Activation?” Why. yes it is.
“… Intel has enabled digital rights management (DRM) for the Pentium-D, but an Intel rep confirmed the 945 would help implement Microsoft’s DRM at a chip level, although he wouldn’t discuss the details.”
Your copy of Leopard will run 30 days, after which you will have to activate it with Apple to continue to use your software. You now have 29 days to comply.
Your copy of Keynote will run 30 days, after which you will have to activate it with Apple to continue to create slideshows. You now have 29 days to comply.
Your iTunes downloads will run 30 days, after which you will have to activate all songs with Apple to continue to listen your songs. You now have 29 days to comply.
Your copy of iDVD will run 30 days, after which you will have to activate it with Apple to continue to edit you video. You now have 29 days to comply.
Your copy of [INSERT FAVORITE APPLE SOFTWARE HERE] will run 30 days, after which you will have to activate it with Apple to continue to use your software. You now have 29 days to comply.
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Comply.
“…We just switched to a PowerMac G5 and a PowerBook 15″. We switched to get away from Wintel machines. Now I have two pieces of equipment that are immediately obsolete.”
send ’em to me, Gene-O! I’ll be happy to take your ‘obsolete’ macs…
lots of new folks here – wonder how many are mac users?
Steve at his next keynote: “No 32bit IS better, trust me!”
64bit G5 with Tiger -> 32bit P4 with Tiger
mrboma:
“Wouldn’t they then also run Windows virii natively?”
Good point, but given the choice on a dual OS Mac/Win system, would you open even ONE email in Windows? I sure wouldn’t. And I’d keep the web surfing to an absolute minimum. But one would have to become adware aware. blechhhhhh!
“Just sold all my apple stock. “
All 20 shares? LOL
I just had to look at all the MDN downplay articles in retrospect, quite funny. Of course, the rational Mac users here know this is only for the better and will have Apple in much stronger position years from now. Of course, laughing at all the blind mac loyalists overreacting like chicken-with-heads-cut-off is quite an amusing boon! Where’s Jaime Kelly with his/her flux capacitor?
Chicken Little: Apple is doom, doom! All the Mac developers will abandon the platform!
Ah, chicken head, now that OS X running on x86 is common knowledge, what about all those Mac/Windows/Linux x86 developers now able to exploit the x86 Mac OS X platform?
Ah, Rock on Stevo!
OH MY GOD! What a bunch of whining, tit-bags. Unless you can cough up the cash to buy Apple Comuter, Inc. and implement better solutions, then SHUT THE HELL UP!
And if you’re going to sell your stock and go to an Amiga, endulge. You probably only bought $200 worth and aren’t doing any serious computing anyway.
The moment you bought your Mac, it became obsolete ā Intel or not! That’s the nature of this business. If you can’t find ways to make your computer work for you for years to come, you’re not smart enough to use one. GET A GRIP!
And for you “Who’s gonna step up and eat your crow?” trolls, why don’t you run out into the street and play a nice little game of hide-and-go-f*ck-yourselves! This forum has nothing to do with your Franken$oft, Fry’s build-your-own, discount hack-ware bin, ugly *ss DOS box. You people need to start your own forum to rag on each other about how long your currently installed version of Windows can fight off the 80,000 viruses made JUST FOR YOU before your OS becomes so fragmented and functionless that you have to spend your entire weekend formatting your drive, reinstalling your spaghetti-code system software, downloading service packs and restarting . . . and restarting and restarting and restarting . . . !
Just got my 2x2Ghz PPC from Apple store. Wasted money, and i hate myself for it , and SJ. F..k !
Developing software for both processors my ass……
IĀ“ve just lost a 50% value of my new investment.
Should I smile about that ?
Hey, we want to celebrate today’s keynote in proper Buffalo local style. Anyone know a recipe for fried crow wings?
Justified: They have nothing better to do whilst they wait for Longhorn.
Uh oh, one word spelled wrong. So sue me. This is my lunch break.
At least it was my lunch break. Back to work in 5.
Last post here. All you skeptics will be back on board in a year, TRUST me.
Rumor to be seen in 2008: Apple have secretly been developing OS X to run on PowerPC chips over the past few years, as a worst case scenario should Intel fail.
Apple’s VP already stated that OSX will NOT RUN ON x86 based WINTEL boxes.
The chip Intel builds for Apple will not be what all of you pathetic idiots are thinking it will be.
GO AHEAD! SELL YOUR G5! Go buy a Dell and see how color accurate your PSD output is!
IT IS THE OS that makes the machine….We are talking CPU here and Apple is still making the box!
MORONS!
“IĀ“ve just lost a 50% value of my new investment.
Should I smile about that ?” (dangla)
Your ‘puter value is not all wrapped up in some market price. Maybe it’s value is in whatever the hell you use it for – like maybe be productive!
‘Justified’ is right on this. If you can’t get good use out of your “investment”, you need to invest in some other shit.
Ah, Rock on Stevo!
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OK. Let’s clear this up.
***INTEL HAS 64-BIT PROCESSORS***
All 6xx series Intel processors are 64-bit (known as Pentium 4 with EM64T). All 8xx series Intel processors are 64-bit AND dual-core (known as Pentium D)
The only Intel 32-bit processors that Apple would concievably use would be the Pentium M (for mobile applications) and it would replace the G4 (which, by the way, is currently 32-bit). In addition, there will be a dual-core version of the Pentium M (codename Yonah) out next year (read: in time for an iBook/PowerBook).
So let’s cut the crap about how Apple’s moving from 64-bit to 32-bit. It just ain’t true.
Why do you all keep harping on about 32bit pentiums???? Intel and AMD have both began to move to 64bit even its mobile chips. AMD only offers its low-end sempron in 32bit mode now, and is moving that to 64bit later this year. Even the crappy “celeron” is moving to 64bit this year.
By 06, Intel and AMD expect most if not all chips to be 64bit and dual-core.
AMD are discussing “multi-core” for their chips by end of next year.
This is a great move if IBM can’t deliver.
mrboma –
“Majikthize says: “But they might be Macs that can also run Windows natively.”
Wouldn’t they then also run Windows virii natively? So much for the virus free mac..”
Well now, that’s why a Windows installation would be an OPTION and not a default, doncha think?
Really, Apple has said nothing about Windows on a Mactel box, so I’m just speculating. But, it would seem to be a smart way to expand the base. On the other hand, Apple has made it clear that OS X will NOT run on generic Windows boxes. Here’s a thought: how about two dual-core processors – one for each OS? The possibilities are entertainingly endless.
Look guys, Apple left Motorola because incapable to deliver. IBM only has been able to move from G4 to G5. Promised 3.0 GHz LAST YEAR, promised G6, I guess in Cupertino they realize they could not cater with promises. PowerPC was great for as long it could evolve. If it stagnates forget having it anymore competitive in 18~24 months from now. Things move fast in IT: you stop you are dead meat.
I simply did not think IBM was evidently facing a wall.
I ask you all once again: do you buy a Mac because it has PowerPC in it or because it is the only one to run OS X?
Would you buy it with PowerPC if it was running only Windows XP?
Cool down and stop screaming. Apple is dead, long live Apple.
SJ saved Apple a second time. Too bad his friend runs Intel, would have been better if he run AMD.
Unless Intel + Apple really shows what really could be done.
I believe this are BAD BAD BAD news in Redmont.
Still wondering…..
Where are all my Apple experts who openly mocked those who believed this had a chance of coming to pass. Don’t hide and lock yourseleves away.
The shock hurts I know but you brought it on yourselves. So come on, step right up, have some crow, there is plenty to go around.
But don’t worry we’ll be sure to store some for the inevitable schmuck who comes by and says they JUST KNOW Apple wouldn’t make a video pod. You know, cause Steve said they wouldn’t…..ha!
Think Different. Think Gullible!
Crow here, who is next in line for crow?
MDN, did you get your heaping spoonful yet?
Interesting developments indeed.
Now Apple will be able to run windblows apps in a window (virtual) just like they did with “Classic”. Now you can run what corporate app you were forced to run on a Hell or HP box in a safer virtual environment on a real os!
Yea, Windblows XP SP3 (a.k.a. longhorn) is D.O.A.
iCon is a shrewd bast**d!
People, get a grip! The machines the have bought / were planning on buying are not obsolete! When you hit the power button, do they not turn on? When you launch an app, do they not still bounce in the dock? When you hammer your system with too many things, do you not still see a spinning beach ball? Seriously now! There are people still using Mac OS 9 and Window ’95 for goodness sake! I’m writing this on a PowerBook G3 (10.2) – Still doing work, still writing journal papers and still giving talks. I have no problems continuing my purchase of a new iMac – it runs all I need it to so why not? Sure, maybe I won’t be able to upgrade to Adobe CS 5 when the time comes, but CS 1 is still doing a damn good job – I don’t think I have used 99% of its functions. If you one of the few who does use eveyrthing to the max, well you would be buying a new machine in 2-3 years anyways, so what’s your beef?
I think most of these posts are knee-jerk reactions that will be seen differently in the light of a new day. Apple is moving forward, Intel will always be competitive – they have to be! No longer can people use the excuse that ‘my Intel / AMD chip is better’. I don’t understand where the concept of Intel being the enemy came from (other than they became associated with Wintel) – as if choosing AMD chips would have been somehow better? Well guess what, Apple now has the luxury of choice….if IBM didn’t deliver better/fast chips Apple could go to…well IBM, now if Intel starts slipping, move over to AMD.
Go, continue to buy Apple hardware – it will give you a long and fullfilled life. And tomorrow, it will still be working. I believe Apple has put a great deal of effort into this transition (even choosing the name Rosetta has typical Apple flare!), they are not going to leave anyone hung out to dry, anymore so than their current OS upgrade cycle has slowly left older equipment out.
Ted, no fried, but try:
16 pieces of crow breast meat (no bones) (8 crows)
16 pieces of green pepper
16 cherry tomatoes
8 button mushrooms
8 ears of sweet corn
1 1/2 cups of Teriyaki sauce
1/2 cup melted butter
8 kabob skewers
Preparation
Cut each piece of crow in half and place in a covered bowl with the Teriyaki sauce over night. Clean and cut each ear of corn into 3 pieces. Cook in boiling salt water for 10 minutes. Alternately put corn (3 pieces), green peppers (3 pieces) and cherry tomatoes (3) along with 4 pieces of crow meat on each skewer. Use 1 mushroom to top each skewer. Brush with melted butter and place on preheated grill for about 4 minutes. Flip, butter again and place back on grill for another 4 minutes. Repeat one last time for a total of 12 minutes or until they appear done. Serves four adults.
Repeat after me: Intel is not Microsoft!
As for Apple choosing Intel for DRM, that’s ridiculous. Apple has never been interested in product activation and there’s no need to believe they are now.
Wow, this announcement is really showing people’s true colors. Anyone who thinks we’re being betrayed is truly an idiot.
I can still remember the howling when it was announced that OS-X would not support 604 machines. Did anyone really give a shit when OS-X really came out? OS-X will probably support the PowerPC Macs for five years after the last one was sold, i.e. 2012! Does anyone here really plan to use a 2 GHz iMac G5 past this date?
As for lagging G5 sales: who is going to buy a 3 GHz PowerPC in two years anyway? IBM did not get their act together, or rather they did not give a shit because they’ve got the xbox deal.
Everybody and his friend were whining for G5-Powerbooks, but IBM could only deliver mobile barbecues. And Freescale did not really come up with a dual core G4. So where are we going to get speed gains in the mobile sector?
ROFLMAO: MDN now put the Intel jingle when loading the page š
MDN, you freak š
So many comments. So many opinions.
I’ve never cared so much about the processor, other than it worked by making my Mac work better. I just don’t care all that much, whether it’s Intel or Motorola or IBM. What is important is that my machine is always the best, and that is where I trust Apple to do the right thing. Apple is not going to be shipping us a Dell; they will ship a well designed, fully integrated, unique machine that runs a future version of OSX. It will be faster, and, it might be cheaper. Macs use AGP video and ATA drives, both of which started on the Wintel platform. Do I care? No, except now both are less expensive. I remember trying to find SCSI drives and spending more than on Wintel.
And I fully expect Apple to drive future technologies–who brought us USB and Firewire? Who brought us iTunes, iPhoto and OSX? That’s what makes a Macintosh, certainly not the chip inside.
I upgrade my Mac every 12-18 months, because I want the best and the fastest. I will continue to do so, and the new Intel Macs will be better and faster. And I hope cheaper.
What makes the Macintosh so special is not the processor. That’s not even close to what makes us all buy Macs. It’s the operating system. It’s the beauty of the design. It’s how everything just works. If Steve Jobs stood up in San Francisco and said he was dumping OSX and switching the company to building pretty machines that use Windows, then I would have been angry.
I like what is happening. This means better software. This means more games. This means more hardware choices. But what makes a Macintosh hasn’t changed. And I can’t wait.
Oh Stan, one more thing. You probably shouldn’t post on here unless you change your diapers, because obviously it causes you a certain amount of discomfort.
“I ask you all once again: do you buy a Mac because it has PowerPC in it or because it is the only one to run OS X?
Would you buy it with PowerPC if it was running only Windows XP?”
Steve made the move that EVERYONE HERE should have known was coming. He is going after Redmond. Bottom line! If you are too blind and ignorant to see that the crowning jewel to Uncle Steveās empire would be to topple Bill then you really don’t know Apple at all, or the man who pulls its strings, as much as you all believed you did.
I love my new iMac, I bought it 2 weeks ago. Obsolete? You silly silly b@stards. It is obvious that if you believe that you have no idea about software development or what Apple is proposing so please save us all from being exposed to your ignorance.
I have a PPC Mac today, in two years I will have an Intel Mac and they will both run the same software. Maybe an new flavor of OSX but thank the good lord for that. All will be right with the Apple world, their stores wills till be plentiful and pristinely white. Thinking Different will become the opus of the masses.
A salvo was fired today, a gauntlet was thrown, the war was begun and sadly many of you are too ignorant or blind to see it.
The great war all Mac Zealots have always talked about but never truly embarked on. You are it’s soldiers. Converting the masses, true head to head comparisons. True choice. And you guys are laying down your weapons and hanging your heads. Sad, especially for the supposed “most dedicated user base” in all of corporate Americaās history. I guess that was all a sham the way you are all cowering and running like little girls. Very very sad. I guess Apple users arenāt the dedicated individuals we were all led to believe you were.
Take your head out of the sand, get away from your own preconceived notion of what Apple should do and look at what has occurred. Take an unbiased look. Today is the day we have all waited for. OSX coming out from the shadows and challenging the behemoth. David vs Goliath. Luke vs. the Empire. The analogies can go on and on. And the weak of heart and character cower. Just pathetic. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Damn I still run OSX, the best damn OS in the world. And I still well in two years, no matter what chip is in my machine. And now everyone will see just how good it is in DIRECT competition to the market leader. Goodbye niche label, Steve has suited up and is ready to take it to Ballmer and Co.
Who is with him?
RE:”Wait till you see the ‘mid ’06 powerbooks!!!”
Hey, Deep Inside Intel Dude: You sound just like Microsoft/Longhorn. I don’t buy into that “just wait and see” crap.
Right now I see P4 OSX development kits. Makes me want to vomit.
I, for one, can’t wait to buy my brand new intel-mac…erase the hard drive on it and install Longhorn. Beauty in form meets functionality. My intel-iMac will run Longhorn and still have Apple’s great looking R/D work.
Thanks Apple!
The issue now is what will feed the trolls in the future? That OS X is so much a better OS is so crystal clear it is ridiculous. When OS X on Mactel will beat hands down every possible Wintel around what Microsoft will do?
I agree with Seahawk here: it spells doom for Windows. Bye Bye Redmont: suddenly that fscking bast*rd SJ gave you a 2 years time-window to start diversifying your market and start making vacuum cleaners: too bad for you it will be the first time Microsoft ships product that doesn’t sucks!
Look, I am sure that this was a very hard decision for Apple, made easier or course by IBM’s foot dragging. Apple should have expected no better from IBM (remember PINK).
The timing takes advantage of the Window of opportunity made possible by Microsoft’s Longhorn delays.
When Longhorn ships, Apple’s transition will be complete. Longhorn users will have to upgrade hardware. Apple will be there to take advantage of the upgrade cycle. Now who are you going to buy hardware from Apple or Dell?
This move makes logical sense, is gutsy (risky) but necessary. We can totally bury the hardware dispute between Macs and PCs but continue to fight it on the operating system front.
Intel and Apple can do some surprising things together. Dell has alienated Intel via AMD, MS has alienated Intel with XBox on powerPC, and has alienated PC boxers with this move into hardware. PC users are fed up with MS.
Intel and Apple have some real opportunities. Without this move, Apple could not get on the enterprise desk and at worst be totally irrelevent in PC’s if Longhorn is good enough. Now MS must head back to the drawing board with Longhorn because it damn sure better good. How about Longhorn late 2007 early 2008.
Smart move Jobs. Unfortunately I will be delaying my Mac purchase by 12 months – sorry.
Is it just me or did anyone else notice that Steve Jobs basically admitted there is no way in hell there could be a powerbook g5, and that is a big reason for the switch? Also, I know that there are currently faster G4 chips than Apple’s current PB options, so maybe they are just stringing things along for a while…
But in terms of overall Apple switching to Intel, I think you’ll eventually find cheaper computers running cooler with less power consumption and better battery life. I still think that the Mac will be a well-designed intergrated machine that “just works.” The actual processor manufacturer won’t change that.
“This, by no stretch of the imagination, means that PowerPC sucks.”
egarc,
I agree 100%, the PowerPC doesn’t suck. In fact, I think that it’s a hell of a chip, and I don’t think that its potential has been fully realized. I was merely speculating about how the zealots will react to this. Personally, as long as my Mac runs OS X with good performance, battery life and wireless performance, I could care less if it’s powered by a hamster in a wheel. My biggest problem with the announcement is that Thurrott and Enderle will become truly insufferable. Against astronomical odds, the sky actually fell, and Chicken Little is gloating like a sonofabitch.
With this bombshell announcement, Jobs is also warning Intel that should they fail to live up to expectations, Apple may well abandon them for someone else. Given the revelation that Apple has always had a concurrent Intel version of OS X, only an idiot would believe that Apple is ceasing development of PowerPC versions. If Freescale or IBM start producing killer PowerPC’s that outperform Intel’s as yet unknown chip, Apple could jump ship back to the PowerPC architecture. This is a stunning move, and from a strategic standpoint, an inspired one. Jobs is sending a loud message to Apple’s suppliers: get it together or turn it over to someone else.
3 things apple needs to go for the jugular with osX and make serious marketshare gains:
1) The fastest or as fast hardware
2) A huge supply of chips
3)The ability for windows users to run their mission critical apps
All these will be satified by this move.
I was >this< close to buying an iMac for my daughter last week, to replace her aging G3 PowerBook. Now, the safer route seems to be to get a Mac mini + an LCD, and not tie so much money up on a PPC box.
It’ll be interesting to get an Open Firmware prompt on the new InteliToshes
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magic word of the moment: bewildered
Unfortunately, Mac sales will now take a super-nosedive!
One last thing. FWIW, I’ve heard internally that the native Intel compiled applications run 10-15% faster then the PPC compiled counterparts. And that the intel native Tiger runs about the same improvement over the PPC compiled Tiger.
I haven’t seen this benchmark, just passing along what I’ve heard.
Back to work.
Enjoy.
Mactel…Sounds like some cheesy crap you’d buy at 3:00 AM from an infomercial. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
stan, you are truly the idiot you have shown us before.
New Macs with the same PowerPC of before cannot boot on OS 9 while they could only slightly more than a year before. SAME chip, different firmware. You really know shit do you?
ROFLMAO, hhohuhaohaohoueahoahaoeu, erasing OS X and trying to install LongWait ohauhaohoadaodaoethuaoeuo.
Just give it a try. LOL, what a moron. Go use a typewriter, I start to believe it will give you hard time to understand its interface.
OHEHOHAOHHAOHOHHOEUHHAOEUHAEUH
At most you will be able to have a Classic (err, Prehistoric) shell within OS X, as now it happens with OS 9. But booting on it? HOHAHOHAOEUDAODAOEUAOEHUAOE. You made my day.
Relax guys, Wintel PC users are still the very same idiots.
Absolutely stunned. Well, count me out on the new Mini I was going to buy. This is a real bite in the ass. Getting excited about what’s to come is all well and good but it doesn’t change the fact that any ppc hardware bought now is going to be legacy is less than two years. I might as well buy a Newton to dick around with for the next 12 months because investing in Apple hardware now is a poor investment. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not wringing my hands and frankly I could care less about the name on the processor but switching architecures immediately after releasing a new product like the Mini just seems like idiocy on the surface. Why not wait and release it with the Intel chip? Now all these people who recently switched because of the Mini are going to have to shell out another $500 for a new computer in the next 24 months. Wasn’t one of the selling points that the useful life of a Mac is much, much longer than a PC. Well, I hope you’re happy with the software you have come 2008 cause you ain’t gettin’ no more, unless you buy a new computer, that is. Man oh man, I’m just absolutely stunned.
Is It April 1st?
Some how I don’t think we have the whole story yet!
With Steve there’s always…oh…one more thing…
I HOPE!!!!!!!
What most people do not realize is that Intel has something up their sleve for Apple and Steve Jobs to make such a major move. It was also said that OS X would only run on Apple machines. That means Apple will continue down the same path of computer sales. Apple’s new machines will be 64 bit, and OS X will be the most secure OS on any chip available.
Soemthing that I noticed in the speach was that OS X has been running on Intel chips for 5 years. 5 Years!! This reminds me of the current Star Wars Trilogy. The Emperior had everything planed from the start. Well Steve Jobs has had this planned for 5 years as a back up if IBM could not produce. Steve just gave “ORDER 66”. The fall of Windows is at hand. If Apple and Windows users can not see this, you are blind!!
“switching architecures immediately after releasing a new product like the Mini just seems like idiocy”
Bill, I think you’re right. The “other Bill” must be smiling.
AMD rules
Bill, I understand you issues but, see, consumers that buy a Mac every 4 to 6 years are not paying the bills for Apple. Wait 2008 for a new Mac? I would have renewed the ball park by then even without the switch.
Apple can thrive if it stays competitive and if with IBM that was impossible in the next 2 years it would have been the death bell for sure.
Professional users change their machines every 2 to 3 years, even with Macs: I can revive my hw in late 2006. Would have done it with PowerPC, will do with Intel and Leopard.
The difference being that when I change them they mostly go from lab to home. Those already at home donated to schools.
To me it only means the dual G5s will be home late next year and – who knows, multi-core 4GHz, with overclocking on demand chips, Macs will be number crunching at the lab. At this point I might then as well have a MP laptop
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Bill, why oh why are those who bought a new Mac Mini going to have to shell out another $500 in 24 months? Will it suddently stop working? I was unaware of the apparently little-known feature of existing PowerPC chips – thay they will self destruct when the first Intel based Macs are sold.
I, for one, welcome our new Intel overlords. C’mon, guys. A Mac’s a mac. It’s the OS that makes it tick. That, and their amazing industrial design. So long as it looks like a Mac and talks like a Mac, I personally don’t care if it’s running on a steam engine.
And it’s no wonder there hasn’t been any advertising. Now, what do they do with all those Mac Minis that they’ve built?
WOW! This is exciting news. The fact I may be able to run Windows on my Mini, or a newer Mini at some point in the future, thrills me.
You can’t touch OS X, but both platforms would be even better.
I just got my 200 gb minipartner and I’m waiting – AND I’ll be buying more stuff in the coming year, as I have faith.
Thank You Steve! You’re going to make the world a far better place to “compute”.
For those of you about to jump ship – remember – you were the ones that made today possible – and this is good news, not bad – so lighten up and enjoy the wonderful world of Intel. WOO HOO!
MDN MW: “better” as in. It will only make things better
“Well, I hope you’re happy with the software you have come 2008 cause you ain’t gettin’ no more, unless you buy a new computer, that is. Man oh man, I’m just absolutely stunned.”
You know what is really sad? Today it’s the Apple users who are the ignorant masses and not the PC users. How far the mighty have fallen.
Does anyone here understand what the concept of a universal binary entails? Anyone? Damn, you guys seriously disappoint me. Read a bit more on XCode and the supposed Rosetta stone in between your crying and hysterics. And then take a deep breath and count to 10. Your current hardware will be just fine for software in 07 and 08.
Or do you honestly believe the hundreds and hundreds of software houses will abandon the installed user base of millions for the converting user base that will take a few years to out number the “legacy” users? Economyās of scale not your strong points are they?
Man you guys have zero ability to look at the big picture. And the more comments come the sadder you are making Mac users look.
“Just got my 2x2Ghz PPC from Apple store. Wasted money, and i hate myself for it , and SJ. F..k ! Developing software for both processors my ass……IĀ“ve just lost a 50% value of my new investment.”
Just lost 50% of your value because your 2x2Ghz PowerMac is now “obsolete.” Why? Did it slow down because of the keynote? Does it run apps 50% slower than it did yesterday? Did Spotlight stop working in Tiger?
50% of its value? How about selling the “obsolete” rig to me for 55% of what you bought it at then?
Those who change PC every two years… that hw does not reach homes of original owners: too obsolete. They go donated right away… or simply ditched. Sometimes they can’t even be donated.
R.I.P. Apple Hardware divison.
Let’s hope Jonny Ive has some freelance work!
He’s gonna need it!
So, is Rosetta Apple’s codename for QuickTransit?
Seeing that Darwin for x86 is out there I do see hackers getting OS X to boot on no-name PCs but this won’t impact sale because people doing it wouldn’t buy a Mac anyways.
Just Wondering: absolutely right on the money.
This is NOT OS X killing OS 9 parody on the chip side.
Been there done that: 64k –> PowerPC and fat binaries. Only the term now is universal binaries.
In 2008 the application you install will recognize whether it is being installed on a Mac PPC or a Mactel and just behave. The consumer user that today is totally scared is actually the one that – if not told – would have NEVER realized the Mac had changed chip.
“Bill, why oh why are those who bought a new Mac Mini going to have to shell out another $500 in 24 months? Will it suddently stop working? I was unaware of the apparently little-known feature of existing PowerPC chips – thay they will self destruct when the first Intel based Macs are sold.”
Did Mac users suddenly turn illiterate?
Listen up! How many times does this need repeating? Today’s Mac will not be “obsolete” in 2006 or 2007. Today’s Mac will run OS X 10.5 Leopard just fine. It will run iLife ’06 just fine. It will run Final Cut Pro, Motion, Logic.
It will run Photoshop and Illustrator CS3, because Adobe will ship them as UNIVERSAL BINARIES. Meaning that you can take that Creative Suite CS3 disc and install it on today’s Mac Mini, and TAKE THE SAME CD and install it on the first Intel Mac.
It’s the same story with Microsoft Office. Office 2004 for the Mac continues to run on today’s Macs, and will run on the Intel Mac. The next version of Office will also run on today’s Mac.
NOTHING WILL “STOP” WORKING!!!!
Sorry for the all caps, but some people are seriously hysterical here.
Think of it this way. Just pretend IBM decided that the next gen PowerPC 980GX will be able to execute x86 instructions in hardware.
There. What’s changed. In terms of the user experience, NOTHING.
Get a grip, people! If you can’t suddenly write a Word document because of the Keynote or think that Final Cut Pro (this version or the next) will somehow “turn off” on a magical date, you are in a reality distortion field of your own.
Ah, I get it now. It’s all so clear now. It all comes down to āBill versus Steveā, like it always has been, using our computing experience as the battleground.
Bill took the initiative this time by going to the now almost primary maker of Mac CPUs, IBM, to build millions of next generation Xbox CPUs. Bill brought his checkbook with him to IBM and was hoping he could indirectly hurt Apple by having IBM lose focus on the Mac-based G5s. It worked. No 3GHz, no portable version, no well-defined roadmap.
Now Steve is answering back by moving over to the exact CPU company which Microsoft has been taking for granted for way too long, and I am sure Intel has known this. Apple and Intel together will now become the R&D for the entire computer industry leaving Microsoft left with a bunch of āme tooā OS features and applications. No more crappy three year old graphics cards, no more old expansion interfaces.
This clue was actually given out months ago when Intel announced it would add FireWire to its lineup. They were preparing for Apple.
I just got a RevB 20ā iMac G5 2GHz, and while it has plenty of power for everything I do and itāll last for the next three years, I now look forward to Intel Macs.
Kevin, Darwin on x86 has been available for not less than 3 years by now.
Darwin always was installable on x86. Free d/l and OpenSource.
The only plus side I see of this is that Bill Gates has pobably collapsed at the sound of this news!
Does anyone realise that with Apple going to intel processors means that Microsoft’s 90% market share is now up for grabs!
Apple is going for the mass audience with this move – You will now in theory buy a cheap Dell and install OS X on it!
Microsoft’s days of 90% marketshare are NOW numbered!
Holy crap. Did everyone miss that post from “deep inside intel” that stated a 10% hop on optimized os/apps?
That is MAJOR. I wonder if that played into SJ’s decision.
solarflare, I guess Seahawk has been the first to say that:
“BAD BAD BAD news for Redmond”
Seahawk,
you are right with you last statement.
I honestly believe Jobs should have kept his mouth shut and made the announcement when he had a box to ship.
You can see how upset people are who recently bought a computer and put off people who were going to buy a computer.
I have been through this with Jobs and his whims from his NeXT Cube, to OpenStep, OS 8-9, OS X.
But this is the first time I have seen Jobs make a hardware announcement without something ready to ship.
From G4 -> G5 Powermac they shipped in a couple of months.
From G3->G4 Powerbooks shipped in a couple of months of their announcement.
From bondi iMac to Lamp iMac was a few months. and the same with the recent change to the new iMac G5.
Even when he announced the change from 680×0 to PPC the machines were ready for production or were in stores.
Might as well put all those Apple hardware design awards in the attic.
I just pray that the 1st thing they produce will be a G5 (Intel) powerbook!
For gods sake – I now have to wait another 2 years to upgrade my hardware!!
WAKE UP!
Why would Intel ever agree to this? To gain another 2% in market share? Hell no. This puts Intel in the driver’s seat over M$. Get with it, folks. This could be AWESOME!
AL: to me that spells only one thing. IBM is ready to announce the end of its involvement in G5 and no G6 in the future.
Make the Intel announcement before IBM announces to the world “No G6 from us, G5 as it is for Apple computers is frozen” and you look like you are making a bold move that has potential to project Apple to new levels and records. Apple the Phoenix.
Make the announcement after IBM and you look like a desperate loser that has given up and has no more choices and it is at the end of its business life. Apple the rotted corps.
Seahawk is correct:
SJ must have been VERY pissed at IBM:
Now one hint: the Intel roadmap. What Jobs describes below is not current x86 road map but the future MP 64-bit chip families based on an evolution of the PentiumD 64-bit from Intel:
in mid-2006 it is not x86 32-bit of today to produce the above. Maybe SJ got lured by the prospective of quad-processors Macs that IBM – as it seems clear now – must have told him “Forget about that” as well as to the “3.0 GHz G5”.
I gave this scenario the least possibility although not excluded it but it still leaves me thoughtful. All of a sudden, I think in Hell they are buying heaters now.
The important thing to note is that it is the next generation of hardware we are looking at. also important to read, another verification of next-gen hardware:
From: deep inside intel
Jun 06, 05 – 03:26 pm
the mac chips we are working on are not the x86 architecture that you are presently familiar with. The dev kit we worked on in conjecture with apple only gives a starting point to our new relationship. We will have full 64bit processing and awesome notebook offers.
You will lose your mind when you see the new ibooks and powerbooks Apple is cooking up. Just tremendous. Wait just wait till you see the design specs. They ought to be in museums…at least the prototypes that have been tossed around here.
This will be my first and last post. It will be uncertain but believe me, Ortelli and Jobs did not make this decision on a whim. Discussions had been ongoing for year plus, Ortelli has shown Jobs the cloak room and what Intel has in store.
Be patient, Apple fans. This is the beginning of a beautiful thing.
why intel? read this.
http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/cultofmac/
its sad but probably the closest to the truth then anything else said here.
It’s NOT the ‘OS STUPID’ quite yet (Steve HAS to keep that an open secret for the time-being). It’s the ‘APPLICATIONS STUPID’ right now and – as I mentioned in a pre-Stevenote post – today’s announcements are all about REMOVING the need for third-party software developers to waste huge resources servicing an historical requirement for identical ‘Mac’ versions of their Application titles. The beauty of where ‘universal binary’ is going (and the apparent step backward to achieve it) is that all applications (including those owned by billions of Windows users) will be able to launch directly into OS X on Intel… NOT via Windows emulation – but directly into the OS X GUI. NOT also on any old (or new) Windows box but ONLY on MAC/INTEL boxes built by Apple and (maybe) licences.
I think the reasoning behind the launch of MacMini has now become visible… Apple wanted to get as many lagging OS 9 users ‘onboard’ as quickly as possible before carrying us through to the next phase and taking on Windows directly.
“Might as well put all those Apple hardware design awards in the attic.”
Huh? Do you honestly believe that Apple will change its aesthetic design philosophy just because it’s changing processors? Does working with Intel mean you have to use a dull grey or black box? (Ask Alienware about that one).
IT’S JUST A BLOODY CHIP, FOLKS!
And, don’t forget, this is Steve Jobs, not John Sculley we’re talking about here. Apple is his baby. He won’t let it go down the tubes. His ego is too big for that.
Yeah, I guess the shock is starting to wear off for me too..IBM got out of the PC business a while ago and maybe is best as a niche chip maker…
The move by SJ while it might be against the grain for us is the right thing to do.
We all know that IBM can’t/won’t keep up with our future needs (like, where’s the 3Ghz G5 or the G5 PowerBooks).
Should we stay with IBM hoping that they will finally figure it out three years from now, when INTEL/AMD surpasses anything that IBM might eventual comes up with after Intel? What would we all say when we have a great OS but it slogs along compared to MS because the processors can keep up? And MS would look great because it runs faster than a MAC not because of design but because of hardware limitations?
As for the processor, SJ wanted to show our OS was compatible with Intel NOW and in the future and he used a Pentium to showcase this. But I can bet that when the Intel MAC comes out it won’t be a Pentium we see now but something “further down the roadmap”. Besides why would SJ be a fool and go with a current Pentium for all future Macās? We’d all laugh at him.
In fact this could be a major blow for MS, think of this scenario: You have an Intel desktop/ laptop with Win XP with all its viruses etc. You can now get MAC OS fully workable with 64 Bit tech now and it works with your old Pentium PC box — wouldn’t you want to replace MS with Tiger now? What happens when you do and you finally realize Tiger is better than anything MS now has, youāre a convert NOW. When the new hardware comes out in two years that blows anything from Dell/MS you stick to MAC. Plus it looks like all of the new software released will be compatible with MAC.
The advantage our hardware from the start has been the close integration of OS and hardware. That’s not going to change. In fact I could see Dell lining up at SJ door to beg to produce hardware for Apple. I don’t see SJ agreeing to this but he might cut a deal to sell MAC OS’s to him for installation on Dell future PC’s.
Anyway this is just my humble opinion.
I think MS finally has real competition from
my two cents worth: anyone who will run os x on intel for 5 years in secret – is still running os x on other cpus in secret and will continue. universal binaries mean switching platforms can be done to continue to make great products. if intel falls down in 5 – who knows.
another comment: last year, one of the “Engineers behind Tiger” pressed on other chips for OS X, Opteron, Xeon 64-bit, any other possibility, stated: “Apple could not sleep well if we had all our eggs in one basket”. “Await a big announcement next year. The chip war is not over”.
At the time we actually thought to the G6 or to the AMD as Intel last year was having issues and coming late with 64-bit.
We had him for a seminar in November 2004.
Time will tell. Better, time will Intel
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All these Apple doomsayers are off their trollies. Especially those two twits stantheman and sputnik.
On a level playing field we will see the real comparison of Windows versus OSX:- 50 millions lines of code in Windows versus 2.5 million lines for OSX… Windows will be trashed.
I will bet on Apple Mac sales staying high (+40% annual growth vs XP’s 12%) as more people switch to Apple and see that the global future of desktop computing is in the hands of Apple…and it will incorporate home entertainment in the way MS never will.
Apple:- the future is starting now…
re: bscepter
Do you realise – what will happen to Apples Hardware business when you can just buy OS X and install it on ANY pc???
Yes – their market share will increase BUT the trade off is that Apple’s hardware sales will go through the floor!!
Why spend Ā£2000 on a Mac/Intel when you can buy a Ā£600 Sony and just install OS X on it!!
THAT is the point – with this move Apple will eventually just be a software company!
And isn’t it now INTELITOSH?
probably a dumb question, but why doesn’t Apple make their own chips?? Too much money, starting from scratch? Wouldn’t that afford them the most freedom?
Solarflare: you’re wrong, so wrong. People are prepared to pay for quality. They are prepared to pay for style. They are prepared to pay for the genuine article.
Apple hardware sales will rocket once this gets underway.
Wow, lots of comments…
OK, morons, the new computers won’t be running 32bit crappy processors like Dells or any other current Windows box. These babies will be fast cell/dual core processors.
‘Ive’ always wanted a Sony Vio running OS X! (no pun intended Jonny!)
Looks like it’s gonna happen.
How much money does M$ make selling software?
I would still buy an Apple case, because they look good. They are quiet and well designed.
Kevin – “Seeing that Darwin for x86 is out there I do see hackers getting OS X to boot on no-name PCs but this won’t impact sale because people doing it wouldn’t buy a Mac anyways.”
Darwin is open-source. OS X is not. I’m quite certain that Apple is capable of ensuring that OS X will run only on Macs. Apple has made very clear statements to that effect recently. On the other hand, Apple has reportedly commented that it would not seek to prevent installation of Windows on Macs. Sounds to me like my earlier prediction is shaping up – Mactels will run OS X and Windows. And Darwin. And Linux. You know, PC fans like to blather on about “choice”, but this is what I call real choice. Can’t help but be a winner.
Solarflare – Get a clue.
“Do you realise – what will happen to Apples Hardware business when you can just buy OS X and install it on ANY pc???”
This ain’t going to happen. Apple has clearly stated as much. Read the actual news before spouting off about it.
solar: really doubt it will ever be the case. You will be able to run Windows applications on Leopard probably (BOUUMMM Redmond) but do not expect to be able to get a regular PC and install OS X there.
Ain’t going to happen soon. OS X will only run on Intel chips on Apple computers. Not big deal, nothing to reverse engineer or crack. Firmware and hardware constraints.
Maybe much later, when Windows will start to be dented, the second blow will arrive with Apple licensing OS X to specific vendors: HP running OS X anyone? iPod and OS X by HP (et selected al.)
This is war declaration guys.
What surprises me is Steve announcing something this major, something with such potential to cripple Dell and wound MS, and then he tells everyone to wait a year. This is the guy who kvetched at Motorola for trying to debut a (let’s face it) novelty item like the iTunes cell phone a few months before it hit the market. Now he’s got a dual-boot machine but it won’t start rolling for another year. WTF?
Just imagine if Joe Consumer could walk into a Best Buy today and choose between a low-end Dell POS or one of those nifty looking Mac Minis, one that runs all his Windows software but also has lots of other neat stuff he’s never even heard about. With Windows users fed up with security problems and Longhorn nowhere in sight, now’s the time to strike. Don’t give the competitors a year to prepare. And if Rosetta truly lives up to its name, it’d allow current Mac software to run on the Mintel machine (ouch, it hurts to type that) without having to wait for developers to catch up, right? Current Apple customers could buy one and use their PPC-based software while waiting for upgrades to come.
I realize production takes time to gear up, but this Christmas would make a lot more sense for the debut of the Mintel Mini.
but wait for OS X reaching the 40% market share before seeing it running on HP
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Does this mean more games will be available for Macs? As long as all new macs are 64 bit Ill be happy, maybe our RAM will be cheaper as well. I really was doubtful about using x86, but if it works whatever, I just want Macs to keep on rocking, OSX is what I care about and Apples Hardware design is what I will continue to purchase. Mactel has been born.
For the LAST time….OSX will NOT RUN ON WINTEL BOXES. Apple’s VP said that today at the press conference.
ONLY APPLE MADE Macintosh machines with Intel inside will be able to run OS X on Intel made CPUs.
What this means is that for the first time, the clueless and arrogant Windows idiots like SPUTNIK will get to see what a REAL OS can do with their favorite CPU maker’s products.
No way in heck I am going to buy an intel based mac that is comparably equipped to a Dell or HP for 20 to 30% more. No effing way, period.
I’d rather get a cheap intel box and load OS X on it. Believe me, I will try to do this even thought they said it won’t work.
…is about to come crashing down on Winblows. While I have to admit I was a little dismayed by the announcement today (I think the worst part was having to admit Thurott was *actually right* about something) – after reading & thinking a bit, Jobs is his usual genius. Here’s why:
1) Chip supply. Every new top-o-the-line mac has come with the standard: shipping in six weeks, and oh by the way even if you order it today it’ll really be three months before you get it. Now Apple has the ability to REALLY ship a lot of units (since this means they can conceivably use AMD chips too without too much trouble…).
2) Windows compatibility – imagine if WINE (the open-source Windows API) were integrated into Leopard. Now Winblows programs run natively, and with usual Apple polish, there can be a *virus protection* layer in there so that you can run the crappiest Windows program without worrying about virii. Cool, huh?
3) Other possibilities: imagine if Intel has a cool and exiciting answer to off-load graphics processing – now Leopard has the “snappy” like Winblows currently does. And it’ll run circles around Longwait. Oh yeah, if IBM magically comes up with a sweet PPC chip that Apple might wanna use in the future – now everybody is used to “universal binaries” and it *doesn’t matter* what chip is in the box – it just works.
Billy G has got to be RAVING at this – or has been since he saw it coming. Longhorn’s gonna be hamburger when it comes out against Leopard on the same hardware for the same price.
MW book – as in book your stock orders soon – the price is gonna dip for a bit and then explode in the next couple years. Yahoo – gonna enjoy the ride…
I ask you all once again: do you buy a Mac because it has PowerPC in it or because it is the only one to run OS X?
I bought it for both reasons. G3s spanked PIIs without breaking a sweat. I also got to the point of sledge-hammering my old Win95 PC for all its bugs and other annoyances. I have to this day just as a reminder of why I would never return to Wintel!
MDN Keyword: never
Seahawk,
You may be right about IBM. It would make sense why Jobs is rushing to make this announcement.
However, I don’t think the new Intel Chip will be an x86 based pentium. Apple is known to be involved with CPU development.
Remember they helped make the ARM processor which powered the Newton and most PDAs. And the worked with IBM and Motorola to make the PPC platform.
I have no doubt that the new Intel chip will be somthing completely different and won’t be able to run Longhorn. This demonstration on Intel x86 hardware was to pacify the naysayers and ANALysts who love windows and Intel.
My prediction is that when the new computer is released it will be something multicore with long pipelines which can be scaled beyond 3 Ghz and be able to shut down cores and reduce power consumption which can be used in laptops.
See what happens when you make a change you should have made 11 years ago? Jobs is eating his words now, ain’t he?
My Mac G5 runs every bit as good today as it did yesterday, and it will continue to run that way for a long time. Yes, I was shocked when I first heard of the switch over the weekend, but have had time to mull it over.
Steve Jobs has a different view of the computer world than the rest of us do – to be a good CEO, he has to. There are things going on in the corporate board rooms that Steve saw and recognized the need to change. Anyone in manufacturing knows not to “single-source” their suppliers. The fact that Apple has been working on a XX86 version of OSX for the past five years tells me that they have always kept an ace up their sleeve. THAT is good contingency planning.
Intel is NOT Microsoft, Intel is a chip manufacturer – nothing more. Microsoft chose to run its code on the XX86 series of chips. You and I don’t know what Intel and Steve Jobs have up their collective sleeves. It has been eluded to by “deep inside intel” and “eric24601” (in posts from earlier articles) that Intel is working on something new and quite possibly terrific. Most likely, Intel has been working closely with Apple engineers to assure that the new chip runs efficiently with the existing code, requiring only minute changes. Who knows, the new Intel chip combined with OSX may be just what the “real IT world” has been only dreaming about.
Ex-Apple Customer, just WHAT are you going to get should you dump your Mac…a Dell??? Calm down folks and take a good walk outside.
This “legacy” hardware notion is pure nonsense. Hardware does not become “obsolete” just because a new piece of FUTURE hardware has been announced to be in development.
Going back to the tried and true automobile analogy, do you people who are whining about how current PPC machines are now obsolete, buy cars? Did you know that today’s new car will replaced with a NEWER technology next year? ‘[gasp!] In fact, I’ll bet that some of you actually buy USED cars. Why are you doing that when everyone knows they are obsolete?
The fact of the matter is, if the machine today does the job for you then it is not obsolete. If you are buying a Mac today in the hopes that you will be able to sell it for a profit when you are done with it then you are, pardon the frankness, an IDIOT! All things depreciate. What if Apple committed to staying with IBM roadmap and then it became common knowledge that the PPC was being EOLed? What would the hardware you are buying be worth then?
Furthermore, while Jobs is not saying specifically, he is implying that Apple will be using a new generation of Intel processors. x86 has run its course as anyone with any knowledge of the chip industry knows. Do people buy x86 machines today figuring they are obsolete? Why not? After all, are not new procs being announced by AMD and Intel for Win boxes? Indeed, one could argue that today’s x86 processors are ANCIENT technology. That does not make them useless, just reaching their end of life.
Finally, it is better for Apple (and its user base) to go with a company like Intel who is committed to high end CPU development. Just because they build a chip that runs Windows does not make them the devil nor does it mean that future Macs will be “PCs”. Macs will still have proprietary firmware and PCs won’t be able to run OS X.
Bear in mind that Intel has been looking for an opportunity to stretch their wings for some time but Redmond has been preventing them from doing that. Windows will not run on the advanced chips that Intel is dreaming up. So Intel wooed Apple to come their way in order to be able to actually build something other than 1980s vintage CPUs for once. Pentium IVs are dressed up PIIIs which were cleaned up PIIs. Intel now gets to build something that will smoke their previous generation chips.
Personally, I think it is likely that Intel begged Apple to let them build a chip for them knowing that the future of Microsoft is bleak at best. They want to go with a winner. And Apple, being the computing industry leader on many fronts, is clearly the wagon that Intel wanted to hitch to.
-B
Folks – Keep one thing in mind: MacOS X running on x86 hardware!
Sure, Apple is saying that “MacOS X will only run on our hardware”, but just suppose a large client had a mixture of Macs and Windows PCs. Say that client came to Apple and wished to sign a licensing agreement. Apple would be nuts not to offer a OS X licensing agreement to that client, allowing them to run MacOS X on both Apple and non-Apple x86 equipment!
Big Business/Schools/Universities are going to love this.
I met a guy who purchased G3 and early G4 Macs off of eBay. He refurbished them (added memory, better hard drives) and installed some music mixing program and sold them through his business to up and coming bands and other people who did not need the most powerful Mac to the job they needed.
He apparently made a $400-$500 margin on each refurbished Mac, earning 4-5 grand a week.
In other words, he created a thriving business for prior generation Macs. AND current Macs are going to be obsolete someday sure. But probably not for 5-8 years.
Seahawk,
No kidding, I know that. What I was saying is once OS X for Intel is out hackers will be able to use Darwin’s boot loader to hack together a loader of OS X to run on any old PC. All the OS X UI features of Quartz will be there.
I don’t really see what APPLE’s product is anymore. If you want a BSD system on intel architecture, you can get it for free:
http://www.freebsd.org
http://www.openbsd.org
“Say that client came to Apple and wished to sign a licensing agreement. Apple would be nuts not to offer a OS X licensing agreement to that client, allowing them to run MacOS X on both Apple and non-Apple x86 equipment!”
You keep thinking this is a simple software problem. My guess is that the Intel Mac is still going to have proprietary hardware/firmware/ROM that will allow OSX to function. In other words, a generic Window box will NEVER be able to run OSX, except through a hack that will be slow, unstable, and not very Mac-like.
“I don’t really see what APPLE’s product is anymore. If you want a BSD system on intel architecture, you can get it for free:”
And you don’t see what a Mac is really all about.
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Apple saying they won’t let that happen, well MS tried to prevent people from loading Linux on XBoxes. There are very talented hackers out there, any opening given and they will exploit it.
Help. Does this mean no more G5?. I dont know jack about computers
i would recommend that you all just switch to linux. Apple is toast.
Thank you, Beeblebrox.
I’ve been saying this. This is Intel’s opportunity at least as much as it is Apple’s. Intel is so over M$, and ready to get out from under M$, and wants to no longer be recognized as “WINTEL.”
M$ holds EVERYBODY back.
Watch Apple and Intel fly.
“I have no doubt that the new Intel chip will be somthing completely different and won’t be able to run Longhorn. This demonstration on Intel x86 hardware was to pacify the naysayers and ANALysts who love windows and Intel.”
…and so comes the new phase of wild conjecture based purely on a “grasping at straws” methology after experiencing defeatism after the first denial phase. Intel will not make an Apple exclusive processor for the desktop….the vast majority of its profitability comes from windows-configured PC, why spend excessive amounts of R&D that will only return a small percentage of profitability? There is nothing on Intel’s public roadmap to even suggest an entirely new architecture for Apple….not even any sort of design research, even in blueprint. On the other hand, Intel does have an aggressive outline for the Dothan processor (the successor to the Pentium 4) that is widely known and will actually be quite competitive to AMD’s counterparts.
And here’s the “genious of the week” final point: Why would Apple sell Pentium 4 developer kits, for developers to begin compiling x86 code, if Intel/Apple truly agreed for an exclusive new architecture?
Bonus “genious” point….How can Intel design a processor that won’t run on Longhorn? Last I checked, the Operating system is built around the processor, not the other way around. Pure Genious.
Bottom line: Apple will use Intel processors as they become available, nothing exclusive.
“Furthermore, while Jobs is not saying specifically, he is implying that Apple will be using a new generation of Intel processors. x86 has run its course as anyone with any knowledge of the chip industry knows.”
X86 is evolving as it always has been. To claim it has “run its course”, when both AMD and Intel are releasing radical new chips this year and next, is a pure statement of ignorance.
OK, it’s been a few hours, and the shock has worn off….
(Closes eyes…..swallows crow)
I didn’t think this would ever happen. I wasn’t predicting doom if it did, still….
I am going out to buy my G5 Powermac this weekend. My video apps can’t keep up on the G4 any more.
In 2 years, I will be running a fast new Intel based Mac. It’s going to have the top of the line graphics card that I would still be waiting for if I had PPC. It will have all of the most current I/O without waiting. This isn’t going to be so bad.
The Pentium-M is actually a pretty awesome laptop chip.
I’d like to see alti-vec bolted on though…..
Anyone with sense and a knowledge of Apple’s history knows that the Intel CPU will NOT BE A x86!
Look for some kind of DUAL CORE 64 BIT CPU co/designed by Apple and Intel. No doubt they have been working on this for a long time.
The guy that said that the majority of the posters on here lacked the ability to see the BIG PICTURE was making the understatement of the day!
And here I thought that Mac users were more intelligent than your average Windows drone.
Dump and I do mean DUMP MSFT!
(If you knew who I be, you would take this advise very seriously).
Rock on Steve!
sd- “Bill, why oh why are those who bought a new Mac Mini going to have to shell out another $500 in 24 months? Will it suddently stop working?”
Well, I guess I should have qualified that statement. If they want to run any new software they’ll have to buy the new machines because it won’t be available for the ppc platform after they complete the transition (end of 2007 = 30 months, actually). So, who is going to continue to write software for a legacy platform? Not many, if any. After the hardware transition is compete the software tit runs dry.
So, to be fair, you won’t HAVE to buy a new computer come end of ’07, as long as you are happy with the software you have and don’t have any desire to run anything new. Fair enough, sd?
There are a lot of Windows trolls here today suggesting they are mortified Mac users who will now go elsewhere…
BE SELECTIVE IN WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT!
I bought my dual 2 G5 last year. I love it. I wouldn’t feel that bad buying a G5 today, knowing that most products will have both a PPC *and* Intel Mac OS X port.
While some suckers wait until Intel Macs, I will be happily using everything Tiger has to offer *and* run iLife, Final Cut Studio, CS2, etc., etc. on OS X, not Windows.
When the Intel Macs finally do arrive, it will be time for me to upgrade anyway (three years on the Mac platform) and I’ll happily adopt it as my main platform.
The hardware does matter to me. If it doesn’t have an Apple Logo on it, I won’t buy it. At least they’re not telling us to go buy a Dell to run OS X on. That would have sucked ass.
When the Intel Macs finally do arrive, it will be time for me to upgrade anyway (three years on the Mac platform) and I’ll happily adopt it as my main platform.
I’ll be buying a greatly discounted PowerPC-based Mac before the clock strikes 12 midnight on June 5th 2006. I hope Apple at least has another revision or two for the whole product line before entering the darkside.
What is it with you people?
For those of you who think you can just pop in OS X for Intel on your Dells and Sonys, hahahahaha good luck. OS X will only run on Apple-branded hardware. CPU is only a small part of the picture, and Apple will make sure its OS runs only on Apple hardware… there are plenty of ways to tweak the support chips, logic boards (or motherboards), firmware, Open Firmware. What makes you think Apple is suddenly getting out of the hardware business–which seems to be on your minds–if you think your can use your Dells to run OS X?
And for those who think their recently purchased hardware is suddenly obsolete: I’ll buy them from you cheap. For pete’s sake, if you think obsolescence is dependent on announcements of upcoming hardware, then all of our hardware, current and future, are obsolete. What does this have to do your your productivity NOW? If you hold off on hardware you need NOW, then you just screwed yourself.
Like I said, if you still think your hardware is suddenly obsolete, I’ll buy them from you–CHEAP. I’ll be more productive while you crybabies whine about what could have been.
Sheesh.
Someone said it earlier:
INTEL IS NOT MICROSOFT!!!!
This isnt that big of a shock considering the shoddy job IBM has been doing.
Just cause Apple will have intel chips doesnt mean we’re gonna get viruses all of a sudden, or face ANY of the problems of windows people. If anything, this announcement is GREAT NEWS for apple, especially in the long run.
Not much will change…except Macs will get faster more frequently.
And by the way…THIS IS NOT A STEP BACKWARDS FOR APPLE. There is no way Apple…who Intel is HONOURED to now be partnered with, is gonna get some left-over crap processors. Intel and Apple are probably…if not definatley developing an Intel chips specially for macs that will be 64-bit, probably multicore, and better then teh PPC.
Steve Jobs knows what he’s doing. Apple would have just gone continually gone down hill with IBM.
Apple still makes the best looking and engineered computers and laptops and a change of processor will not change that.
And either way, its the OS that counts. You wouldnt buy a powerbook with a G5 if it had Windows loaded on it…
I REALLY don’t understand all the “sky is falling” “we’ve been lied to by Apple/Steve” rubbish on here.
1) Steve has been lying about PPC being better than Intel. – Ah NO, when he said it (i.e. TWO years ago), the product AT THE TIME and the road map promised by IBM meant that was TRUE. IBM, AMD, Freescale and Intel keep developing their products for two years, Steve looks at what he has (i.e. 2.7Ghz WATER COOLED PPC’s and no future MOBILE versions in sight), and Intel have current chips that are better. In particular concentrate on MOBILE computing here – you cannot SERIOUSLY argue that the G4 architechture is STILL superior to the CURRENT Intel mobile chips? You morons that are NOW saying you’ll jump ship are the same loonies that have been screaming for a G5 PowerBook!!!! It AIN’T going to happen – IBM have FAILED their roadmap promised two years ago, they CANNOT get the G5 cool enough to make a mobile product. Remember that just prior to the G5 launch, Apple was recording MORE laptop sales than Desktop sales, and Steve was announcing the “year of the notebook”. He is right in saying that with the exception of gamers most PC users will be getting laptops.
2) My hardware is obsolete – ACTUALLLY NO, NO, NO!!! If you had stopped your hysterical ranting for a MILLISECOND and actually read/watched the Keynote, you would have noticed the fact that PPC and Intel platforms support for applications will be possible with very SIMPLE tools mentioned oh AT LEAST THREE or FOUR times!!!
I hope all you nuts do jump from the Apple platform for the following reasons:
1) I’ll pick up your EXCELLENT PPC Macs for a bargain basement price, and enjoys years of computing excellence, with application support AND then move to an Intel based OS X system in 07.
2) I still maintain that you architecture zealots/fanatics (like all zealots and fanatics – be they religous or politcal or otherwise) are the biggest DETRACTION to becomming a Mac user. I don’t want people to think that when I use a Mac I’m a looney, and my computing choices are based on irrational impulses, rather than the decisino to use the BEST OS on the BEST hardware design (and if needs be an Intel, IBM, Freescale and/or AMD processor, if that is what is BEST at the time).
3) You’ll be back – go to Windows, you DESERVE it if that is how quickly you abandon a brilliant platform like OS X because an Intel inside sticker MAY be slapped on your next machine. How can you claim Steve has deceived you all, what about all your crap about OS X being inherently BETTER than Windows. I know you’ll say it also included tightly intergrated system design – IT STILL WILL morons. It’s just Intel processors, Apple will still be designing their own CHIPSETS/MOTHERBOARDS, as they always have, even with the PPC chips they used, so they will still CONTROL the compatibility and integration of their systems. Better still go to Linux!!! So you’ll be using a LESS user friendly and intuitive system than Windows even, based on the same core technologies (just less advanced) than Mac OS X, and STILL running on x86 architecture (AMD OR Intel) – as I said you zealots ARE CRAZY, and your “thinking” (or distinct lack of it) proves it!!!
4) Everytime Steve has done something to ENSURE the future of Apple, you crazy zealot loons have threatened to leave Apple as a customer, and EVERYTIME you have damned him as a fool, and not knowing what he is doing. The partnership with Microsoft for Office apps, the move to OS X, even the move to IBM PPC’s was blasted by some of you twits!!! And EVERYTIME, Apple has survived (if not recovered to a better position), and you all seem to still be around whinging about his next “BIG/FATAL ERROR”.
Oh and if you morons do happen to wise up and keep your PPC based Macs, I’ll still be buying a PPC based Mac, just from Apple. They offer the BEST computing experience right now, and I don’t make IRRATIONAL, emotion based decisions when I purchase a piece of machinery.
Luke
Trust Job’s Apple.
He had to announce this now becuase he needs developers to code accordingly, so the secret was coming out anyways.
If you need a new computer, feel comfortable buying now. It will work like an Apple, and continue to do so until you want to upgrade again. Leopard will run on the G4 and G5 platforms, so you’ll lose nothing if you can’t afford to use it.
Apple had to do something – the roadmaps don’t move ahead, they can only fall behind (as happened with the 3.0GHz G5). IBM and Motorola are clearly not going to keep up and perform where Apple wants to be in the foreseeable future.
There will be no G5 Powerbooks. That was pretty clear “You’ve wanted a G5 chip in a laptop and we haven’t been able to give it to you” – seems to imply that it’s not coming, although MacWorld will be interesting regardless.
I hope you all realize how fore-sighted Apple has been developing OS X to work in advance on future Intel architecture as well as on current G4/G5 platforms. If that doesn’t confirm their genius for planning and innovation in the industry I don’t know what else would. Even more amazing is that they kept it quiet so long. But it’s clear now that the Apple Music Store and Bonjour for Windows were part of a much bigger picture.
One downside is that it will be difficult to distinguish Apple products from Wintel machines based on specs (which should stay similar). No more apple/orange defenses that sound too much like empty rationalizations. The upside is that those defenses will no longer be necessary. Again, it’s the software that will make the difference. And if Windows can be run seemlessly and with normal speed on the same machine, that only makes them more attractive to switchers.
Apple will really hold Intel’s feet to the fire to make sure it provides them with quality hardware.
The other potential downside is that Intel will now have mixed loyalties, and may have trouble developing innovative new tech for one company and not sharing it with the other.
One other thing – don’t think for a second that Intel and Microsoft will be parting ways. Even if Apple could quintuple its need for chips it will still be a small fraction of Intel’s business.
By the way, Leopard released alongside Longhorn? Microsoft has to really be sweating now!
Au revoir Monsieur Jobs!!!
TO THE EDITOR:
OMG–that Intel Inside jingle knocked me off my chair!
STEVE JOBS–CONFIDENCE MAN—-
Talk about snatching defeat out of the jaws of Victory–are
these people koo koo? AT LEAST MOVE TO THE CELL.
All this means is Apple is agreeing to an occupation–LIKE FRANCE!
Oh say does that white flag fly over infinity loop?
Why would anyone switch??? Why not just put a Tiger in the Dell???
THIS IS A BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE
Im going out to buy one of those Toshiba Quasimodos.
Ah, I was just preceded by another voice of reason. Thanks, LukeinOz!
Off-topic, I had hoped that they would go to large reptiles for operating system names. I would have loved to see ‘Crocodile’ with commercials showing that classic Discovery Channel footage of big Nile crocs munching on screaming wildebeasts about the time Longhorn is released.
When is the keynote video going to be posted?
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it today it’s the OS that’s important not the chip. And if you want to see how successful IBM has been just look at the number of laptops that run on G5 chips. Uhuh.
To those that have decided to dump Macs where asre you going to goā¦Linux, or maybe Microsoft (with an Intel chip). Get used to the term Mactel, I have.
One last point, this comes as no surprise because in business you adapt or die and that’s what Jobs has done. Never say never in business.
Your PPC Mac is not “legacy” – Apple and its developers will be supporting PPC for years to come.
I question, will games for PCs then be available to be played on macs? if so i feel bad for Aspyr and all their hard work over the years, it seems their business will tank if so…
And is it me or did the demo of Jobs using the Mac with P4 kinda look laggy, i know the trailer we watched did… hm… >.< IM not on a mac and i use windows, hoping to purchase one this summer for next yr at college but now looking at it I dont know if its a good time to invest in such an expensive thing… specifically with my lack of funds…
This kind of saddens me… and yet, i look forward to the future
PS the keynote was freakin lame, it barely told me anything i didnt already know, they should have held some kind of surprise for us all? I can tell this was really just a pre-keynote for Next years.
PSS Im so surprised no ipod updates š sad, i wish they would have talked about putting new games on it or soemthing, or even the infamous video ipod.
Come on guys, when Steve abandoned floppy disk drive, did you trust his judgement?
When Steve abandoned SCSI, and adopt USB & Fire Wire, did you trust his judgement?
When Steve abandoned classic & moved to Unix, did you trust his judgement?
Now Let me asked you this time, do you trust Steve Jobs?
For me, I TRUST HIM!!!
Go Apple!! Smart move! Let IBM swirl with MS.
Microsoft is quaking in its boots ___ not! There will always be windows programs that won’t run on the the Mac OS. MS would sell more copies of Virtual PC if it didn’t run like crap on the PPC. Why do you think MS had no trouble agreeing to universal binaries. A new opportunity to make even more money is always great news at Microsoft!
MDN. Too much, when I link to this article I get the Intel chime. Too Funny!
MacMania
“Dump and I do mean DUMP MSFT!”
ā¢ I am not sure if you are just making noise or really know what you are talking about but regardless you are right. The real story today was in what was not said . . . strangely missed by most but sure to be picked up in days following.
Gloom & Doom posters
ā¢ A computer is a tool. Macs just happen to be better tools than most. If it pays to buy one then do so. If you are going to wait for the next best thing then you will always be waiting. Buy now. Buy later. If it pencils out, buy now and later. Tools are generally the smallest percentage of the expense column.
Dual-boot Macs are coming – it’ll be Windows for games, Mac OS X for everything else.
That’s unless the switch makes it easier for game developers to ship both Mac and Windows versions on the same disc.
Also, I have several PC-using friends who are Mac-curious but have been put off by the myth of incompatibility. Having the fallback of being able to run Windows is the excuse they’ve been waiting for to finally get a Mac, and there are probably many in this situation.
Think of all the switchers who will run Windows and Mac OS X simultaneously, then gradually move to Mac-only.
moo…
btw. bye-bye apple. HELLO dual AMD processor BOXX.
Well, Ballmer’s either playing dumb or genuinely dumb. Your call.
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http://news.com.com/2060-10793_3-0.html?tag=nefd.bl
June 6, 2005 1:12 PM PDT
Ballmer on Apple-Intel news: Whatever
ORLANDO, FLA.–Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s reaction to Apple Computer’s decision to use Intel processors can be summed up in two words: “What’s changed?”
Speaking Monday at Microsoft’s TechEd customer conference, Ballmer questioned whether Apple’s move to Intel for its PCs changes the competitive dynamic between Microsoft and Apple.
“Will there be more device drivers because of this? No, Apple has their device model–we have ours. Will there more hardware manufacturers that build Apple machines other than Apple? That’s a whole business model change. No reason to believe so,” he said. “Frankly, if people wanted to do that, they could have been buying parts from IBM. What changed?”
Ballmer also suggested that the chip change could reduce the number of applications available on Mac OS.
“There’s more applications available for Windows than there are on Apple. All a chip change could do is probably slow that down because maybe there would be a big disruption with your ISV community…There’s more training, knowledge, management on how to implement networks,” Ballmer said. “What changes? I don’t know.”
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He’s only talking about short-term issues. Here’s hoping he only thinks short-term as well.
One other thing – don’t think for a second that Intel and Microsoft will be parting ways. Even if Apple could quintuple its need for chips it will still be a small fraction of Intel’s business.
And the question is; why would Intel treat Apple any better than IBM??!
For those of us who have been waiting to make a purchase decision. I think any news is good news.
You know what your getting yourself into.
If you were waiting to buy a Powerbook. Now you know a G5 Powerbook will likely never exist. Buy a G4 Powerbook or maybe an iBook and plan to use it for at least 2 years.
If you were planning on buying a G5 tower same. You might choose to buy a lower end model and upgrade in 2 years or simply live with what you have for a year or two.
I was hoping to see some product announcements.
What’s up with that?
This will be awesome; Apple has a great transition plan in place, and I’m sure it will work. PPC Macs will be supported for years, all Mac software will work on PPC for years, and Apple will soon have terrific CPU upgrades for PowerBooks, iBooks, eMacs and Mac Minis. PowerMacs will continue to use G5s for a while – probably dual-core soon. Apple won’t switch workstations to Intel until Intel chips are actually faster than the G5, which won’t be for another year and a half or so. The smart people will put off switching to the Intel hardware for as long as possible, to avoid 1.0 experiences. I’m sticking with PPC Macs until the software support is widespread, the bugs are worked out, and the Intel performance is clearly superior.
He’s only talking about short-term issues. Here’s hoping he only thinks short-term as well.
Does Steve Ballmer think at all??! He’s definitely the circus clown under the Microsoft tent that steals the show with his monkey dance (I mean business).
Like the Talking Head song says “same as it ever was”, this decision was made 20 years ago. To quote SPJ in 1984 “IBM dismisses the personal computer as too small to do serious computing and therefore not important to their business”
See it here: http://homepage.mac.com/slkgirl/FileSharing11.html
“Same as it it ever was……..”
Looking from IBM’s side, they have more development work than they have resource. Working on the cell for XBox, PS3 and Nitendo is probably taking more resource than their microelectronic division has. I’m sure they would have liked to keep Apple account, but they needed to make a business decision. From Apple side of view, IBM was not meeting the target, and with resouce being tight at IBM they could not expect kind of result they want (at least until XBox ships). Apple could have used the cell like game consoles, but SJ probably did not like the idea of playing second fiddle to game consoles. Also IBM may not like the idea of Apple using the cell technology to compete against IBM’s supercomputer and unix workstation business.
Switching to Intel does have pluses. Wine (Windows emulator) no longer needs x86 emulator. Just imagine when Apple starts to ship Mactel, it will able to run Windows applications full speed. I’m not sure if this is good thing, but it may work out. Hopefully Apple does not make same mistake they made with PC card and SoftWindows, which basically allowed the developers to stop developing the Mac version of their applications and told their customers to get PC card or SoftWindows. To prevent loss of developers, Apple needs to ship software that allow Mac applications to run on Windows at same time. Give developers choice to develop applications using WinAPI or Cocoa to run on both platform. Hopefully, most developers will choose Cocoa to develop their applications (I’m sure Cocoa still running on Windows, so that should not be a problem). With Longhorn being delayed, Apple may able to get some businesses to switch over from Windows. If Apple can get sufficient number of people to switch, they could freeze WinAPI as Cocoa continue to develop.
“And the question is; why would Intel treat Apple any better than IBM??!”
It doesn’t have to. Intel’s innovation will be driven by its major customers but Apple will reap the benefits as well.
After all the hype and promotion for PowerPC the switch to Intel leaves me wondering what it is about Intel that makes it better than PPC.
Having not viewed Jobs’ presentation I am left with a few questions. Is it that the Intel chips will be significantly more advanced than the promised PPC model? Will dual core Intel chips be a reality for Apple? Will 64-bit Intel chips be a reality for Apple? Will dual core 64-bit chips be a reality for Apple?
Or, is this change a simple matter of price and availability. That is, were Motorola and Freescale unable to produce PPC chips as fast and as cheap as Apple had wanted?
Or, is Jobs a megalomaniac who wants to dominate the computing world leaving Microsoft as a footnote in the history of OS development and Apple rising as the next commodity-driven monopoly?
In the end, IBM is going to be the loser in all of this. As Mac sales rise, what was a 3% production share for them would have been much larger if they could have held on to Apple.
OMG!
It takes three minutes to scroll down all the comments.
http://stevenf.com/mt/archives/2005/06/apple_to_switch.php
“Anyone with sense and a knowledge of Apple’s history knows that the Intel CPU will NOT BE A x86!”
So the Pentium 4 developer kits currently offered to assist in the transition are not X86?
This is the second form of denial plaguing many hardcore mac zealots just getting over what was announced today.
“Look for some kind of DUAL CORE 64 BIT CPU co/designed by Apple and Intel. No doubt they have been working on this for a long time.”
And when the shock subsides and common sense returns, you’ll realize Apple will be using the next generation line of Intel CPU’s for all segments of Apple hardware.
So how does the “security” and DRM (limiting what you do with your media) that is coming on the intel side of the world.
You all know that new intel motherboards are being built with security and rights management built in.
mac on intel. shocked? yes excitiing? very upset? no, there’s more to life.
is my new 12″ powerbook legacy? well yes, sort of, the moment i opened the box i knew that apple would release a better version.
mac mini people will buy a new mac mini or other mac due to their experience and new found love regardless of cpu.
apple will show the world that better designed os and hardware run on the same chip’s as window’s and dell. this is good, cause people will finally wake up to the fact that microsoft is bloated virus riddeen vaporware. apple will show that there truly is a better way.
I told SJ what to do with under-performing partners.
IBM YOUR FIRED
FREESCALE YOUR FIRED
I just switched to Apple and now I learn that they will be EOL’ing PPC!
I hope that since they are moving to Intel that they will at least include WINE or some other technology that allows OS X or whatever it’s sucessor is to run Windows compatable software without the need to use Virtual PC or some other junk emulator.
A bit of a disappointment…reminds me of SUN and SGI selling out their workstation lines in favor of sub-par x86 processor technology. Apple will become just a flavor of BSD (like NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SCO UNIX, etc.) with fancy desktop technology. I just hope Steve doesn’t forget what truly made OS X an alternative to M$ Winblows with the hardware switch. Who knows, perhaps Intel has a technology that can marry what’s great about the x86 line (Winblows compatable apps) with the rock solid OS characteristcs and processor power of today’s Apple hardware. In any case, I hope Apple declares the MacIntosh line EOL and renames the new computer line something else. Otherwise Apple will not do justice to the many years of Intel-free service the Mac platform provided to its faithful.
!!!would you all please shut up!
Apple’s OS is better than MS or Linux. Period. Who the heck cares about the motherboard or processor…
What matters is user experience. Don’t you tech freaks get that?!!! Ughhh.
Please dismount your hobby-horse and face some really obvious facts:
Apple will be using Intell chips in the future;
Apple will be using Intell chips in the future
Apple will be using Intell chips in the future
If you think Apple is a better company and Mac is a superiour platform, then freakin’ get on the band-wagon or get left in the mud crying about spilled milk…
Software is the future – platforms are disposable…
TO THOSE WHO HATE APPLE RIGHT NOW THINK TWICE! STEVE JOBS AIN’T STUPID! ITS THE OS! APPLE WILL STILL MAKE BOTH HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE! PPC IS STILL SUPPORTED FOR THE YEARS TO COME. COME ON GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH TO WINDOWS THEN DO IT! STOP ALL THE CRITICISM, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I THAT APPLE WILL STILL LOSE BY THE TIME LONGHORN IS RELEASED!. STEVE IS JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE BEST INTEREST OF MAC WHICH WE ALL HAVE LOYALTY TO AND NOT THE HARDWARE! WAKE UP YOU MAC HEADS! WHATEVER YOU DO YOUR COMPUTER WILL HAVE TO BE UPGRADED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN’T ESCAPE THAT!
TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES, MAC OS X WAS BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE TO RUN ON INTEL. STEVE JOBS IS ALL ABOUT 1/3 POLITICS AND ECONOMICS 2/3 INNOVATION! THIS WHOLE THING IS A STAGE ACT! EVERYTHING HAPPENED AS PLAN…. FOR THE BENEFIT OF MAC!
APPLE WILL NOT LOSE AT THIS POSITION, INTEL IBM AND MICROSOFT IS GOING TO A HUGE BATTLE. WE ARE NOW ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD. LET’S SEE WHO WILL WIN. GOOD CHOICE APPLE, 2 YEARS AFTER ITS YOUR ERA! GOOD BYE MICROSOFT!
TO THOSE WHO ARE THINKING TO SWITCH TODAY SEE YOU AFTER TWO YEARS SWITCHING BACK TO MAC!
…just for the record –
I would be sad if I had to use a freakin’ beige box by Dell as opposed to an Apple made machine…
BUT STILL – It’s the FREAKIN’ SOFTWARE that matters, YOU FREAKS!
WHY don’t you get that?!!!
If Jobs is trying to secure the future of the Mac, why is he going to NOT disallow the running of Windows OS on the Intel based Macs, but IS going to disallow the running of OS X on other Intel based machines?
“If Jobs is trying to secure the future of the Mac, why is he going to NOT disallow the running of Windows OS on the Intel based Macs, but IS going to disallow the running of OS X on other Intel based machines?”
Because of hardware sales
Apple does not lose money if Windows is installed on a Mac, but Apple does lose money if OSX is intstalled on a non-Apple box.
“Because of hardware sales
Apple does not lose money if Windows is installed on a Mac, but Apple does lose money if OSX is intstalled on a non-Apple box.”
I disagree. MS got where they are by selling software, not hardware. I would love to be able to put OS X on my future homebuilds, and I’m willing to bet there are a lot of other dual system users out there who would do the same. A hundred thirty bucks here, a hundred thirty bucks there, next thing you know you got market share. That’s if Jobs would get off his butt and ADVERTISE a little.
Well, I’ve been a Mac user for over 10 years. I just bought a Powerbook, I just bought my Mom a Mac Mini. These may be the last 2 Apple products I buy. Why? stability, knowing the software I have works. I am tired of these damn transitions! I went through 68k to PPC it wasn’t painless, I went through OS 9 to OS X it wasn’t painless. I am tired and I don’t want to go through it again.
I understand Apple had no choice but they may be leaving me with none. I built a PC a year ago, I used an AMD Athlon XP, I have yet to have a single virus or trojan. Do I like my Macs better? yeah the last 2 years have been ok, but I am just too damn tired to go through another of these transitions.
Is it me, or was the Microsoft rep a little strange?
i’m buying a new PB this weekend
Apple selling a 32-bit P4 sh*tbox to its developers makes me want to puke.
Watch Apple hardware dive, along with the stock.
From EWeek:
Apple was not desperate for access to Intel’s low-power Pentium M processor, the foundation of the Centrino platform.
Current Centrino systems are nothing to brag about, consuming more power than the original design.
IBM’s PowerPC 970FX processor, which Apple calls the G5, overlaps the Pentium M in both performance and power consumption.
A moderate development effort by Apple could have brought the benefits of the 970FX’s PowerTune power-management features to the Mac platform.
Apple was not looking for more performance than IBM could offer.
The 970FX is fully competitive with Intel’s Pentium 4 and Xeon processors, and has a superior system architecture that gives it better performance headroom for the future.
Intel’s microprocessor roadmap has been in disarray since it cancelled the next-generation Pentium processor code-named Tejas in May 2004; it will be years before Intel recovers from that boondoggle.”
“Is it me, or was the Microsoft rep a little strange?”
It’s not you dude – she’s a Ho
Ok, well, I feel like a real shit now. I highly recommend watching the stream of the speech (available at the apple website). I feel much better about this transition. I don’t think you can appreciate the gravity until you see the demos. Truly amazing stuff!
P.S. Woz was in the front row
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I would have easily sprung for a larger laptop w/ a 64 bit G5 in it than some run-of-the-mill Apple branded Dell clone running some bloated “Rosetta” compatibility layer nonsense.
Take a look at the Mac audio forums. People are freaking, all of their Altivec optimized plugins are now orphaned. Get your wallet out yet again.
See ya Apple.
“Ok, well, I feel like a real shit now. I highly recommend watching the stream of the speech (available at the apple website). I feel much better about this transition. I don’t think you can appreciate the gravity until you see the demos.”
How? The RDF? The only mention of speed that Jobs referenced was on one slide that said it was “fast (enough)”. Wow, that’s a ringing endorsement of the future Apple hardware! I’d like to see some comparisons between the dual 2.7 G5 and that crappy P4.
As long as Apple is making the machine and the OS, who the cares who makes the CPU? I’m guessing that the MacOS will never run on a non Apple certified Intel machine anyway… no problem; better video card support, more options… doesn’t sound bad to me.
Bunch of whiners here (as usual).
mw “expected” … always expected whiners here; never disappointed.
Bandit Bill,
You asked when the keynote will be posted. Just in case you didn’t get the link elsewhere, here it is.
http://stream.apple.akadns.net/
Take the time and watch the keynote folks, it should set your minds at ease. This isn’t some half-baked, knee-jerk tantrum. Steve Jobs and the people at Apple put a great deal of effort and time into making this a good move. Do remember that Intel ISN’T Microsoft, it’s a chip maker. Listen carefully and you will catch the drift that although the developer kit uses currently available Pentiums, the future Macs will be using something much better.
Ricardo, I’m not concerned with Rosetta. I’m concerned with the Universal Binaries. As long as I can get the new software I’m not so affected by which processor is under the hood. As it stands, I LOVE my ppc PowerBook and I want to keep her as long as she’s useful and the Universal Binaries will keep her useful.
Sell wrote: “From EWeek: a bunch of reasons why PowerPC is still superior” and thus why Apple is stupid, stupid, stupid.
Ah, the magic of selective quotation!
How about this quote, after the last line from your selection!
“I believe Apple is switching because Steve Jobs has his eye on the big prizeāa substantial share of the personal computer marketplace.
In fact, I believe Steve Jobs has been working toward this goal since he returned to Apple in 1997.”
And how about this quote:
“Properly implemented, an x86 Mac wouldn’t need to boot Windows to run Windows software.
Mac OS would be the primary operating system, but if the customer wants Windows, Windows could get its own partition.
With Windows running on the same machine, Apple can make Windows applications part of the Mac OS X environment.”
Instead of selectively quoting, why don’t you provide a link to an article that gives a rather more complete picture than “PowerPC Rulz, Intel Sucks!”
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1824791,00.asp
Any people upset about the switch and future purchases should go check out Windows XP in action and shut up. OS X will ALWAYS be the better alternative regardless of the processor used. And when Longhorn ships, Leopard will have some new tech that will further X users beyond what Microsoft tries to shill out.
I think everyone is just upset that Intel is no longer an enemy to the Mac fold. Now all we have is Microsoft to throw daggers at and they too seem supportive of Apple’s hardware path. It takes the wind out of our sails when the illusion of war shows itself with enemies hugging on a stage. But then again we still have Windows Longhorn to laugh at. That should be fun.
RE: recently purchased Macs…
duh. You have a great system that will last a long many years time. Remember that the alternative is Windows XP. Nuff said. duh.
Thanks for link and notification on the keynote MacDaddy.
Thanks for not forgetting about me 1392 posts later.
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So why exactly is intel the enemy? I thought it was windows!
Being a Mac user and having most of my investments in APPL, I seriously had my doubts. That is until I watched the keynote on a MAC MINI. Not only was I truly amazed at the content…. but my god.. the delivery… the new codec is truly amazing. I can move to anywhere I want without ANY delay… try that with Window Media Player.. or Real. It’s a great day for everyone. I expect to see a short term drop in share prices, but that’s the time I’m going to be buying (BIG TIME!). I hope that everyone enjoys the ride, it’s going to be a good time.
Quote from a MS representative named Roz Ho (“THE General Manager of the Macintosh Business Unit at Microsoft”)… let’s give her a warm welcome:
“Hi Steve. Thank you, Steve. It’s getting to be quite a habit to be here. Ahh… it’s my pleasure to be here on stage today and to be involved in the exciting changes from Apple. Ahh.. it’s these are (sic) exciting times for Mac customers. You’re going to have more choices than ever before, and we’re really excited to be part of the opportunities that lie ahead. As you know, cause I said this before many times, Microsoft has been making software for the Mac platform for more than 20 years.”
Okay you get the point… MS is going to be running scared after this… if you don’t think so, watch the keynote and then watch it again with an open mind.
Steve never forgets his customers… his faithfull… and most importantly the people that keep him employed… his stockholders.
No, I’m not into drinking any kind of crazy cool aid. My kids forbid it.
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IBM uses Intel processors in it’s own computers.
Intel bad. IBM good?
… “takes last sip of Kool-Aid in Dixie cup, places it gently down on counter top” leaves conference hall
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/pentium-2.ars
Intel was responsible for the megahertz myth, and recently uncovered information has proven that Intel engineers tweaked the Pentium 4 to run at super high clock speeds primarily for marketing purposes.
And for everyone saying “It’s the OS! It’s the applications!”:
Apple has stated that they will not prevent the new Intel-based Macs from running Windows. But to what extent would people be able to run Windows? Most likely Virtual PC would be able to run at near native speeds. But would people actually be able to boot up Windows as the primary operating system, bypassing Mac OS completely? You can be sure that Windows users would love to point out Apple Macs getting infected by viruses and spyware just like other PCs. Although you and I would know better, others would not be able (or willing) to realize the finer details. Just the shock value of “Infected Macs” would be enough for them.
If Mac users could now run Windows applications at full speed, would that just give a lot of Windows only developers like Autocad another excuse to put off bringing their applications to Mac OS? The same goes for web sites that only work in Windows Internet Explorer– just run IE in Virtual PC.
And what about corporate entrenchment and complacency with Windows? People ask “Did you buy a Mac just because it has a PowerPC chip?”. That question works the other way too. Are those corporate types with their anti-Mac prejudice suddenly going to adopt Macs just because they use an Intel chip? And if they do buy new Intel-based Macs, would they just be relegated to running Windows applications in compatibility mode? Why would those paper MCSE’s bother supporting a different operating when you can run what “everyone else” is running?
I always thought that we, as Mac users, were supposed to be smarter than the rest. Most of you out there scare me. Do us all a favor and read about the transition. Better yet, watch the keynote. Don’t just jump to irrational conclusions that have no basis in reality. I can’t believe the inane posts out there! People saying now we’re going to get viruses because we have Intel chips, or my computer that I just bought will be useless, etc. Good Lord people, get a clue! This is good news. You need to realize that comparing the current G5 and the current P4 is not an accurate view of the situation. A year from now the G5 may still not be running at 3ghz, and the newest Intel chip, Pentium or whatever it may be, could be well over 4ghz. Notice in the keynote Steve NEVER said Pentium except when he talked about the developer machines, and he specifically said that those needed to be returned by the end of 2006 because they didn’t want the general public to get them. That says to me that Intel has something else up their sleeve. Regardless, you need to trust Steve. This decision was made after getting a look at the future of both processors.
Calm down. Breathe. It’s all going to be OK!
So what will be the point in buying a Mac, if they have Intel’s Cpu’s inside. What would be the point of Apple, making Computers if they are going to be no different than A Dell and be able to run the swiss cheeze of OS’s Called Windows.I think Steve Jobs and Apple have lost the plot and should give IBM another chance. We all know the G5 Cpu has more potential than anying Intel has. Even Microsoft knows this, since they are using IBM PowerPC CPU’s in their new Xbox. I wonder how much money every one will loose because nothing will run because Intel do not use Altivec, when every one will have to re-buy all their software. Nothing will run.
“A bit of a disappointment..[…]. Apple will become just a flavor of BSD (like NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SCO UNIX, etc.) with fancy desktop technology. “
PSST, I’ll tell you a secret:
Apple is making inroads in the academic and scientific research world EXACTLY because IT IS ALREADY a flavor of BSD Unix. No way we will be able to use it for serious work here if it was not just a “flavor of Unix with fancy technology”. I took away the ‘desktop’ because the added value of OS X to BSDUnix is what it makes it favorite over other Unix platforms and why Linux and Unix users have been switching to it.
Because it IS Unix (and BSD, which also is the strongest reason why it is more safe and secure than the rest of the herd). Now that it will move to Intel there will be other people (talking about the IT techie naysayers) that will have one less FUD to believe to: hw incompatibility.
“if they have Intel’s Cpu’s inside. What would be the point of Apple, making Computers if they are going to be no different than A Dell and be able to run the swiss cheeze of OS’s Called Windows.”
I hoped people knew that the CPU is not the whole computer
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Run Windows: you are just assuming here. I get you will be able to adopt WINE and run Windows applications the same way you run OS 9 applications today: a Classic shell within OS X. I’ll believe a dual boot Mac when I see it one.
So the refrain for the “cannot switch: I need THAT Windows application, cannot have a Mac” will be countered with a “Huh? just run it in compatibility mode dude”. Think about universal binaries again…
You will be able to run single Windows application on Leopard.
Macs will not be able to boot on Windows, PCs will not be able to boot on OS X.
It is not JUST the CPU that makes a computer, LOL.
I’ll say it once more it’s the OS and it’s processor speed.
Apple delivered on the first and IBM failed on the second.
Regarding AMD, they are a bit player when it comes to chips, they supply a small percentage of the market.
Apple is dead right to dump IBM because they made promises they couldn’t keep.
And for those posters who see this as the end of the world just get a life. Fifty to a hundred Iraqis are being killed per week. Look at the plight of Somalis in the Darfur region of Africa. AIDS is at pandemic levels in different parts of the world.
In large parts of Australia we are in our fifth year of drought. I could keep going but obviously an IBM chip is so important in some people’s worlds.
Get real and get a life.
IM GLAD THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTANDS APPLE. APPLE IS BASICALLY A HARDWARE COMPANY, DON’T EXPECT A DELL TO RUN MAC OS X IN THE NEAR FUTURE. MAC OS X IS LOCKED UP ON APPLE HARDWARE, THE ADVANTAGE FOR THIS IS YOU CAN STILL BOOT WINDOWS IN YOUR BOX. THAT IS WHAT STEVE JOBS WANT TO HAPPEN, A FLEXIBLE MACHINE. DONT WORRY WITH YOUR SOFTWARES, THEY WILL BE WRITTEN ON A UNIVERSAL BINARY CODE COMPATIBLE FOR BOTH PLATFORMS (PPC AND INTEL). STICK WITH YOUR MAC.
JUST IMAGINE YOU CAN RUN WINDOWS, LINUX AND MAC IN ONE SINGLE MACHINE THE NEXT YEAR! APPLE PROFITS WILL RISE. AND DON’T FORGET APPLE HOLDS THE LEAD IN MULTIMEDIA, HE CAN (MAYBE) DISCONTINUE WINDOWS VERSION OF ITUNES AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR MAC OR HE CAN INTRODUCE TOTALY COOL PRODUCTS AVAILABLE FOR MACINTEL ONLY…… STEVE HAS HIS CHESS GAME ON THE LEAD…. AND ITS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE BILL GATES IS CHECK MATE!
STEVE’S PLAN IS JUST LIKE THE SUCCESS OF THE IPOD AND ITUNES. PEOPLE WILL BUY THE MAC AND INTEL BECAUSE IT’S FLEXIBLE, THINK TWICE, THINK DIFFERENT!
WHO SAID INTEL CAN’T MATCH IBM PPC? WHO KNOW’S WHAT’S IN THEIR LAB RIGHT NOW? DOES ANY AGREE?
ahem, secret agent… you can run OS X and Linux TODAY on Apple machines. That is today’s dual boot Macs. But there is little point but bragging really from doing that. Mactel will run Windows applications using WINE Ć la Classic but booting on it? Can you boot on todays Macs on OS 9? What? Can’t? but… but… it is the same PPC chip, right?
Intel inside and the capability of running *that* crucial Windows app that kept you from switching will be the reasons for other profiles of users to switch.
More: not only OS X has been running on Intel in Cupertino labs (something I told here many times already) but it runs not just on Intel chips… name a chip… it runs on it.
Just watched the quicktime stream of the keynote, very impressed with that rosetta translation of photoshop and it seems its very straightforward for most developers to make dual binaries anyway. A large portion within hours.
There will be no shortage of ppc software for years. I think some here have lost the plot. Check the facts no one really loses out. The thought of a mac osX laptop that will also run my works inhouse win software using some sort of invisible WINE environment is quite enticing. No more vitual PC hurrah!
Is anybody buying a Mac in the next year????
Or Mac software? Why would I want to plunk down $1100 on the Adobe Creative Suite for a Mac? – when one buys a new MacIntel it wonĀ“t work on it.
Why would I want to spend $6000 for a mac version of Maya?- when one buys a new MacIntel it wonĀ“t work on it.
Why would you want to buy any current Mac products (other than a monitor or iPod). They are dead, obsolete.
When the new intel Macs come out we will have to buy all new hardware and software!
Ka-ching! Ka-ching!
And the new OSX Leopard….will it even run on PowerPC Macs or just MacIntel….?
I was this close to buying a new Mac….so glad I waited.
Great news… it all boils down to the OS now and I know which one is years ahead there.
The two biggest reasons for people not even considering switching were:
a) Price
b) It not being able to run their software
Mac Mini has tried to reduce these issues by making it a cheap machine you could potentially run alongside a Windows box.
Both of these issues will be blown away. The choice will be to get a Dull, which will run Windows apps or pay ‘slightly’ more and get an Apple which will run both Mac and Windows apps… oh, and look a lot cooler.
Except that the present software will not be obsolete. As much software will be available as always for the useful life of the PPC product, since the majority of the installed base will still be on PPC, for several years. Software bought today will run on future machines without alteration because of Rosetta (quicktransit), future machines will of course be much faster anyway so old software will run faster than it did on the older machines. To get the best optimisation of the software for your new machine, it has always been necessary to purchase the latest software.
Buy a new Mac – Im not!
Im gonna sell my old Dual 800mhz G4 PowerMac and just lease Apple hardware for a couple of years.
Funny thing is – I have Ā£5000 in the bank and I was hoping Apple was gonna announce a G5 Powerbook etc in the Keynote- If they had I would have bought all new hardware yesterday and replaced my whole system!!!
Apple lost out on my money yesterday!!!
As it is – im just gonna lease the latest hardware for now and sell all my old hardware on Ebay.
I wonder how many more people were just waiting for the G5 PowerBook yesterday with money burning in their pockets???
Why WOULDN’T you buy a Mac (or software) in the next year?
Once again – WATCH the keynote, breath once or twice, calm down – you friggin FREAKS!!!!
Apple is still going to release new PPC hardware, and developers will be releasing programs with universal binaries, so you can still use them on MacTel machines in the future. And my bet is that devlopers aren’t as STUPID as the people ranting and raving on here about the sky falling, they will no doubt offer either a free, or nominal “cross-grade” program, in order to ensure that their sales don’t feel the “Osbourne Effect”.
The BIG thing to note is that this is not some “I’m pissed off with IBM, so I’m switching processors” move from SJ and Apple. OS X has been running on Intel processors from DAY ONE. This is probably one of the most STRATEGICALLY planned moves EVER made in this industry.
Apple had been “STRONGLY recommending” developers utilise Cocoa rather than Carbon – to ensure cross platform support – for a while, again, because they KNEW that it would not take as long to recompile the software.
You’d have to be one of the irrational twits on this forum, if as a devloper you accused Apple of springing this on you WITHOUT any consideration. If you had listened to them and devloped in Cocoa, you’ll be having a relatively EASY time moving.
I also cannot believe the so called “intelligent” Mac user base is so hysterical in calling Apple a “Dell clone”, clearly showing they have NO IDEA what actually makes up a computer.
The processor is just ONE PART of a system, it is NOT:
1) The target of viruses (otherwise all those Linux and BSD boxes on Intel would be getting the same viruses as WinTel boxes!!!)
2) The only thing that determines hardware compatibility – otherwise all those Intel based machines runnig Windows wouldn’t have the nightmare of compatibility issues that they have – it’s the OS stupid(s)!!!
3) What makes an Apple Mac INHERENTLY different. Apple has for years been dropping their proprietry hardware components that made up Macs of years past. And Apple still maintained the fact that only Apple made hardware ran OS X. Fact is people, OS X has been able to run on Intel processors from DAY ONE, and no one has been able to make it happen outside Apple, and ALSO ANYONE could have bought a PPC processor from Motorola and/or IBM and made a clone if it was that easy. Apple takes “off the shelf” components and DESIGNS an INTEGRATED hardware system using PPC processors, USB, nVIDIA/ATI graphics etc etc. NOW they will be taking one more component “off teh shelf” and DESIGNING an INTEGRATED hardware system using Intel processors, USB nVIDIA/ATI graphics etc etc. OS X will still only work with this Apple designed system, and as a result the Mac EXPERIENCE is maintained.
This move has been at least 5 years in the making, and once again, from my limited experience with you Mac zealots, everytime you all jump up and down screaming for Steve’s blood, the decision he has just made is the best thing Apple ever did – it just takes you guys/girls about 2-3 years to be ranting to everyone else that you think that!
Finally – I didn’t realise this is the context of the word that was meant but:
“This is for the CRAZY (hysterical) ones”
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It IS the OS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luke
Don’t think you understand the picture yet Petey… Apple will sell all it makes to folk switching from Windows – it didn’t need your Ā£5k.
Petey wrote:
“Funny thing is – I have Ā£5000 in the bank and I was hoping Apple was gonna announce a G5 Powerbook etc in the Keynote- If they had I would have bought all new hardware yesterday and replaced my whole system!!!
Apple lost out on my money yesterday!!!
As it is – im just gonna lease the latest hardware for now and sell all my old hardware on Ebay.
I wonder how many more people were just waiting for the G5 PowerBook yesterday with money burning in their pockets???”
UMMMM…
I agree leasing is probably a good option for any hardware anyway considering product life cycles – why would you NOT lease even a G5 Powerbook, and invest the rest of the cash. Anyone that BLOWS 5000 quid on a machine that is obsolete the second they pay for it really doesn’t understand the value of money, and that it can also be used to CREATE wealth sometimes too.
However big issue here Petey – THERE WAS NEVER, NEVER going to be a G5 Powerbook – VERY SLOWLY for the people that can’t understand Steve’s English – IBM cannot get a G5 to run at a decent speed with a decent temperature.
So even if Steve stuck with PPC, you’d still be waiting, and no doubt in with all the other people on here having a go about there not being a G5 Powerbook, and that as a result you are going to take your Ā£5000, and lease a G4 in the mean time.
Net result for Apple and Steve with you as a customer:
1) At present – EQUAL result
2) In the future – they have someting to offer you which is competitive, and you’ll be able to blow your Ā£5000 pounds on, and your WinTel mates wont be able to tease you about having a crippled acrhitecture, just that you blew Ā£5000 on a single machine, instead of leasing it to free up your cash flow!!!
Luke
peaze sez: “Both of these issues will be blown away.”
In about two years…maybe…
Lots and lots can happen in the next year or two.
Apple is now a risk product to own.
Chris “Software bought today will run on future machines without alteration because of Rosetta (quicktransit), future machines will of course be much faster anyway so old software will run faster than it did on the older machines.”
This is just speculation. It will be like switching from OS9 to OSX…but worse!
Yeah, the change will be painless….as long as one buys everything NEW!!!!
More like going from prePowerPC to PowerPC – everything must be dumped.
What was it all the Macheads were complaining about peecee owners – they have to buy a new computer every 2 years….welcome to the club!!!
LukeinOz sez: “…you friggin FREAKS!!!!”
Yeah, you really have credibility now, Luke.
Go away.
Prediction: When Mactel is finally introduced (in 2 years – donĀ“t believe the 1 year jive) Apple will not increase its market share…will probably even decline.
-There will be no longer this program runs faster on that platform than the other. Windows and Apple will all run on the same platform.
The only perceived advantage that Apple will try to claim is no viruses.
But I run both Mac and Apple computers and I have no problems with viruses.
It will be Quark Express vs. Adobe Indesign. Or Painter vs. Corel Draw. The OS is just a software and it will be MacOS vs. WindowsOS. Anybody that has a 98 to 2 lead definitely has a big advatage.
Now to compete Apple hardware will have to be as inexpensive as Dell. Eveything(!) will be the same in both boxes except the OS. Few, if any, will pay for the Apple premium anymore.
Prediction: When Mactel is finally introduced (in 2 years – donĀ“t believe the 1 year jive) Apple will not increase its market share…will probably even decline.
-There will be no longer this program runs faster on that platform than the other. Windows and Apple will all run on the same platform.
The only perceived advantage that Apple will try to claim is no viruses.
But I run both Mac and PC computers and I have no problems with viruses.
It will be Quark Express vs. Adobe Indesign. Or Painter vs. Corel Draw. The OS is just a software and it will be MacOS vs. WindowsOS. Anybody that has a 98 to 2 lead definitely has a big advatage.
Now to compete Apple hardware will have to be as inexpensive as Dell. Eveything(!) will be the same in both boxes except the OS. Few, if any, will pay for the Apple premium anymore.
First of all, I am never going to read through all the posts so far and I am not going to try now.
Apple has been doing x86 versions of OS X all along so what PCs did they use for their development? If it was standard Intel motherboards then this makes the switch to Intel difficult to comprehend. How will Apple respond to users running OS X on Dell, HP or SONY PCs?
psych!…… Last post!
AlsĀ“sister is right – the only difference will be the OS.
The only difference between whatĀ“s inside a Dell box and and Apple box is the OS.
Dell sets the standard (price) for hardware.
Can Apple compete with Dell???????????
SOL – theoretically MacOS wonĀ“t run on other computers…
But this is B.S. – Steve canĀ“t stop it. Steve is going after Microsoft. Steve will lose (unfortunately). No one with 2% of the market ever beat some one with 90+% of the market.
Cheers for those who admitted they were wrong. I’m sure it’s good for the soul to eat crow once in a while. You will also be the people who’ll continue being happy Mac users because you can accept change.
(Did that person who was gonna run around naked come back yet?
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:p to those who now can’t shed the {old} ‘Intel sucks’ mantra and who throw their toys out of the pram. ‘I won’t buy any more Macs’. Sure, dudes. Find a better system. Good luck…
This is a rant from me right now…
I feel like such an ASS for believing all the hype about the MEGAHERTZ MYTH bullsh!t. If the Intel Chip is an inferior design as Apple has been saying for years then WHY SWITCH TO IT? Because of supply? If the power PC was so good why can’t it be ramped up? IBM won’t invest time in research? HEY STEVE, FIND SOMEONE ELSE THAT WOULD. No one can tell me if AMD was contracted to do research to improve the POWERPC chip and become a supplier of it that there wouldn’t be major benefits to reap! I realize its not their technology but it wasn’t Motorola’s either until Apple brought them in to work with IBM all those years ago.
WE ARE ALL ASSHOLES BECAUSE WE BOUGHT INTO A MYTH…THE MEGAHERTZ MYTH (only the other way around). At my Job, the F@cking Wintel engineers are riding me like Vegas Whore…Thanks Steve!
The keynote video at Apple.com is useless! It has been Timing Out for the past 1.5 hours!! They must be using one of those “awesome” Intel Macs for streaming.
“Bye, bye, Miss American pie. Drove my Chevy to the levy, but the levy was dry. And good ol’ boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye singin’ ‘This’ll be the day that I die. This’ll be the day that I die.'”
I don’t have a problem if Apple uses a Intel-based 64 bit chip. It ISN”T the current Intel chip. But Apple BETER keep compatibility with hardware. We all count on getting 3-4 yrs at least out of our system and that our parents, kids, etc… can get another 3-4 out of them using the latest OS. Heck we still have 3 G4 Sawtooth models in my family. My new Dual 2.7 better be able to run the current OS in 5 years. If it is just a switch to a different 64 bit chip then it likely won’t be any more problems than the switch from a G3 to G4 or the G4 to the G5. After all they were all 64 bit chips, just different designs.
Why is it any suprise?
Working with both Apple and
WinTel machines for the last 6 years i’ve noticed a definitive decline in Apple hardware reliability.
From AC power adapters to logic boards and processors.
Their last truly solid piece of hardware was the PowerMac
G4 Graphite. We’ve seen nothing but headaches with both
the dual processor G4 quicksilvers and mirrored door
models as well as annoying issues with their G5 towers.
Kernel panics, heat dissipation and noise issues have
plagued the G5 model since the beginning.
It seems Apple is starting down that road of try anything to capture that market share. Their “switch”
campagain was cute but, did they really think it was going to significantly sway PC users. Apple has been trying for years to capture the buisness market for enterprise computing. Porting their OS to run on the Intel architecture seems to be the first signs that
desperation is setting in.
wankers… I watched the keynote yesterdaynight fullscreen on my television… H.264 really rocks apparently
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and all you apple will suck for intel… first, watch the keynote.. I think it’s pretty good. While at first i had something like “crap no…” I now have.. go Intel, give us better powerbooks!
To the “It’s the OS crowd”
That’s fine, but when all is said & done next year, where is their any evidence that the Intel Macs will be substantially faster than the dual G5 2.7’s today?
Why didn’t Stevie do a side by side on how much FASTER the 32bit Intel P4 3.6 running his demo is compared to, say a dual 64bit G5 2.7?
The answer is because it’s NOT. All of this hassle, expense, & bloat to run on a new platform that was not shown to be ANY faster. What happens to all the music apps (Apple Logic Pro included) that are heavily tied to Altivec optimizations? They’ll just magically get faster without it? Pfft.
I watched a keynote today in which there was no evidence presented of any Mac hardware or software speed increases for the next few years.
Skip the MS-like promises, SHOW me how much faster/better OSX runs on the Intel architecture relative to the G5’s, THEN I’ll believe.
Like it or not, one of Apple’s plusses are that it was unique. Now, it’s right alongside Dell/Gateway. Linux, aka UNIX is all over the Intel world in the form of Linux distros. Apple’s only uniqueness now is a fancy Window Manager. Linux (via XORG & Sun’s Looking Glass) already have compositing, 3d drop shadows, and 3d interface elements. I don’t see Apple making marketshare gains by selling plain vanilla x86 boxes for top dollar.
Watch the arguments from all the Dell/Gateway crowds crowing about how they have the same hardware for substantially less. Apple HAD bragging rights with RISC on dual 64bit procs. That advantage went right out the window.
I think that the G5 PPC isn’t (much) slower than the x86 chips at present but the gulf is going to widen alarmingly in the near future. Plus there is no mobile chip solution from IBM and that is a serious worry because laptops are a strong growth area.
The general population couldn’t care less who makes the processor, Apple have always had to put an effort in to explaining away the megahertz difference and now they won’t have to.
Quaptro says:
“LukeinOz sez: “…you friggin FREAKS!!!!”
Yeah, you really have credibility now, Luke.
Go away.”
Quaptro – granted – you friggin freaks was a bit over the top, I did read my post after hitting send, and wish I’d left it out. However that was my point – the reaction here has been HYSTERICAL and OTT, and not really based in any understanding of what is really going on.
Obviuosly I hit a nerve with you, but imagine my surprise when I search for posts from you and find nadda, zip, nothing except your – “Go away” post. You have made NO comment on what is being discussed, you ad no insight of your own other than to just question my credibility (based on the fact that I used hysteria to point out hysteria), and then tell me to go away.
How about YOU COME BACK and ACTUALLY contribute to the discussion, offer some basis for a counter to my point of view, based on the facts presented by SJ and Apple.
If I had just flamed everyone as freaks, without some basis for my opinion (I don’t know – much like your SINGLE post), then I’d cop it sweet, however my multiple posts on this topic are based on my aversion to hysterical responses, which are clearly not based on the FACTS.
Oh and by the way – telling me to “Go away” to me lacks credibility too, as it is a child’s response to difference of opinion. If you’d actually just pointed out the fact it was not cool, I would have fully agreed, but to find a pompus childish response saying “Go away”, with nothing more to contribute at all – kinda lame mate.
Looking forward to your response. I’d really like to know what you think about my point of view of Mac zealots that have repatedly acted like turkeys after WWDC’s etc ranting about the “end is nigh” and “Steve has gone too far this time” and “Apple has lost me for (i)life”
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Luke
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PS – I’m not even a Mac user mate – I really find your response kinda funny.. As I’ve said previously I hope some of these ranting fools do jump ship, I’d feel more comfortable being called a Mac user when I do get my first PPC based Apple Mac (hopefully cheap from some fool dumping it to buy an AMD Linux box, sorry just TOOO funny!!!
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OOPPPS!!!
” an dhow Kobs has ”
Should be
“and how Jobs has”
The list of posts here show the gammut of FUD that exists about Apple. Funny thing though, Steve Jobs addressed every one of your fears in his presentation. Make a list of what bothers you. Watch it. Still have questions? Watch it again after you’ve calmed down.
It doesn’t matter what CPU is in your Mac. Apple made sure of that – 5 years ago. Your current sofware will run (see Photoshop demo). Your favorite software will run on PPC or Intel (notice, he didn’t say x86). Watch the Mathematica demo. The only folks who will have a hard time are the ones that don’t subscribe to Apple’s development suggestions – they have been continually warned and gentley prodded.
Any hardware you buy today is not any more obsolete than before because everything will run regardless of CPU. Get it? Apple is no more expensive than any other PC when you actually compare the contents of the respective boxes and especially when you factor in decent design.
Apple is no longer tied to CPU fabs. Apple now has bargaining power because it isn’t single-sourced. So, you folks complaining about EOL PPC machines? Well, if Apple stayed with IBM’s PPCs, then Apple itself might be EOL’ed.
Have a beer, relax.
Very very interesting article secret agent. But despite u I think it would be a big success for jobs and a bigger success for Gates also! All Mac users were always proud of their powerful hardware and now they r glad of having intel instead of their own microprocessors?! Very funny indead If it wasn’t that sad. I don’t like to see this happen and want to c Mac as a unic and different one (and I am a pc user!) but Jobs is more wise than what he was before. So he tries to inter the part of business he wasn’t before. Collaborating with other successful harware companies and sharing their profits. But Bill will be the real winner cos if it happens many of mac users will switch to Windows and nobody purchase any OS X! But may be ur right in some points. After all Apple is a hardware company not a sofware co. like Microsoft. So Apple gives some advantage to Bill and takes some more from other markets. This will guarantee The Apple survive in the hardware business and the MS empire on the world of OS for the next decade. The devil Emperor is always a winner!!
So now we have our own Longhorn. We were all so smug in the fact that we had OS X Tiger on G5 Macs that we went a little to far in ridiculing the PC fanboys who begged us to believe that the next Windows OS was gonna be awesome… Well, what goes around, comes around.
We’ll all be sitting here together (Win & Mac users)in 2007 waiting for our new magical OS or CPU to ship.
… I just hope I don’t have to resort to trolling the PC Fanboy Weblogs, screaming unintelligibly about how the new iIntel Mac (vapor-CPU) is gonna smoke the bejeezum out of the new Longhorn (vapor-OS)…
“… I just hope I don’t have to resort to trolling the PC Fanboy Weblogs, screaming unintelligibly about how the new iIntel Mac (vapor-CPU) is gonna smoke the bejeezum out of the new Longhorn (vapor-OS)…”
Don’t worry, you won’t be able to. Every kiddie’s Dell box will be the same hardware as your Mac. Not much bragging rights anymore, other than a fancy case & Unix Window Manager.
“…At my Job, the F@cking Wintel engineers are riding me like Vegas Whore…Thanks Steve!” – El Chicano
Who said that the future Macs will be running on x86 hardware? The developer kits will contain G5s running Pentiums simply because nothing else is available…yet! Apple and Intel are cooking up something in the oven and within the next year there will be some announcements that should cause some eyeballs to pop open. Those same Wintel engineers will be wondering out loud why they can’t get something cool like that.
“Who said that the future Macs will be running on x86 hardware? The developer kits will contain G5s running Pentiums simply because nothing else is available…yet! Apple and Intel are cooking up something in the oven and within the next year there will be some announcements that should cause some eyeballs to pop open. “
Keep telling yourself that. Sad.
Re all the inane comments about the forthcomig Apple-Intel marriage:
Never forget, half the population has an IQ of 100 or less. I think tyhey are having their annual covention right here, now!
Has anyone had problems with their magic word timing out? I just wrote a brilliant essay on why the whiners in this thread need to work on their rational thinking skills, hit the submit button and got an error that the MW was wrong (it was not). I hit the back button and found the submission box empty. š
Well, anyway, to summarize, Jobs knows what he is doing. Macs will be Macs, they will continue to be stable, fast, secure, and vertically integrated. OS X will not run on PCs, PPC apps will continue to run on Intel Macs, software designed for Intel Macs will run on PPC Macs.
In short, the sky is not falling.
Apple just wants to go from a 16% installed base to something closer to 33%. The chip they are designing with Intel will help them do that.
-B