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Mar 20, 08 - 03:03 pm Comment from: Ampar

Look for the next Vista and XP Service Packs to mysteriously break iTunes for Windows.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:05 pm Comment from: Cubert

SWEEEET!!!

Yeah, Steve Jobs is a back door man.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:16 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

Ampar.... vista sp1 was released a couple of days ago. I sent the link to MDN. Hope it doesn't break it, but you're probably right.

Also... haven't seen this bit of news on MDN either. Apple is accepting applications for beta testers for an iPhone Enterprise program. here's the link.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

Mar 20, 08 - 03:17 pm Comment from: qka

There ought to be a big permanent link to the "Move to Mac" and related videos right in the middle of iTunes' home page.

Maybe. But please make it smart enough to disappear if you are already using a Mac.

No need to annoy the long-term faithful and the newly converted.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:17 pm Comment from: HotinPlaya

Apple should have a section in iTunes windows, with video and other stuff, about "switching"

I just had a friend of mine install Safari on her PC and now she is in love with it. She wanted to uninstall IE, but there is no way to really uninstall it.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:29 pm Comment from: BiZarRo BaLlmEr

Should be a button/ad in iTunes so people know there IS an Apple browser. Laugh if you will people are still unaware of alternative browsers like Firefox and Safari : (
It's how IE thrives.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:32 pm Comment from: Ampar

"She wanted to uninstall IE, but there is no way to really uninstall it."

There is an easy way. It's called a dumpster. (Or eBay.)

Mar 20, 08 - 03:33 pm Comment from: Ampar

To Jim - TIV:

"Announcing the iPhone Enterprise Beta Program: a unique opportunity for IT departments to try iPhone 2.0 software before general release. If your company is selected to participate, you’ll test new iPhone enterprise features within your corporate environment, then provide Apple with valuable feedback. Interested? Click below to apply."

NICE ! ! (And thanks for the link.)

I have been using Firefox on my Windows box up until yesterday when Safari 3 came out. Holy cow is Safari 3 fast. It seemed to to run faster on windows than it does on my MBP.

Mar 20, 08 - 03:47 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

It will likely be a while before another SP leaves Redmond ... XP is on SP3(?) while OSX is on .5 - in about the same time frame. Vista is on SP1 while the much newer 10.5 is on .2 ... not what MS specializes in. Should a new SP (or two) be issued, say ... by summer, that kills iTunes and Safari, you can guess that a) not many Windows users will adopt it and b) Apple will sue.
a) because that's what non-Enterprise sheep do
b) because that's what Apple does.
You cannot "uninstall" IE from a Windows system, but you can certainly banish the icon from your desktop.
Yes, to what various have said about "modest" Apple-related "ads" in iTunes for Windows. Maybe even sell some space to Firefox and/or ThunderBird. Piss MS off something fierce!
Dave

Excuse me?
I know we're all Apple fans here but can we please wake up for moment? Why does Apple think it needs to "leverage" ANYTHING? When they were the underdog did Steve focus on marketshare or did he instead focus on building great, outstanding products.....period?!
As of right now as far as browsers are concerned Apple is playing a "me too" with safari. Yes, its a very good browser...but thats it. Its not excelling beyond the industry standard. Which is NOT internet explorer by the way. Internet Explorer is the walking dead...who the hell cares about internet explorer? Yes it has the market lead but thats old news....IT HAS NO FUTURE!
Apple instead should be focusing on the browser which holds the lead as the industry standard in terms of tech.
And that is FireFox!!

Before you flame me, know that I've been using Apple products since Apple IIe. So I'm not an Apple hater. But isn't this kind of a double standard? Mac users often criticize Micro$oft for compelling people to use Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, etc. What Apple has done here isn't much better! I'm confident that a high percentage of Windows users will allow Apple Software Update to install Safari without even thinking twice (or even once). Now, I haven't downloaded Safari for Windows using Apple Software Update. So, I don't know what happens once Safari is installed. But I would assume that there's some sort of message asking users if they want to switch from IE to Safari. I downloaded iTunes/QuickTime from Apple -- not Safari. So, it's incorrect to call Safari an "update". I wouldn't mind Apple advertising Safari in iTunes. But adding it to Apple Software Update is a "dirty trick" as far as I'm concerned.

I've disabled the Safari update in Apple Software Update by going Tools => Ignore Selected Updates.

@krautpastry

Thats cute but you'll be switching back soon. Firefox 3 is almost done. The beta is already running stable.
It will kill everything else.

A friend of mine updated iTunes and saw the msg for Safari. He thought it was a mistake because he didn't think Safari was available but he clicked and there it was.

He updated and he's been raving about Safari. How it is superfast and how the graphics look brighter. He was dumfounded. And he's not ignorant of tech stuff either, he uses Firefox and keeps away from IE unless he needs to deal with it (he's in IT)

Needless to say he's talking Mac when he's ready to upgrade his computer.

@olternaut

I've heard good things about FF3, I especially hope the reduced memory footprint is true. As much as Safari impressed me, I still need the Fox to do development work.

Perhaps Apple should just add a bookmark to Safari Windows. Something like "Mac Info" or "Switching", which will take them an Apple page inviting them to consider the Mac alternative. Simple, unobtrusive. No nag-ware.

Anyone else having issues with Safari 3.1 on windows regarding memory management? Maybe they'll do a bugfix next week.

Mar 20, 08 - 04:07 pm Comment from: Cubert

@sold,

"I just had a friend of mine install Safari on her PC and now she is in love with it. She wanted to uninstall IE, but there is no way to really uninstall it."

I called Microsucks helpline to ask how to do this about 3 years ago just for kicks and giggles. The confusion on the other end of the line was hilarious. Then they tell me there is no way to uninstall it.

Camino is my favorite.

@zaphod
Camino doesn't seem to like layered websites... wich i find sad.

IE is the only browser that will interpret vbscript. Hats off to MS for that little trick. But any of them will run asp just fine. But my point is that there are a lot of enterprise level web sites that use vbscript on the client side.

Mar 20, 08 - 04:42 pm Comment from: KingMel

Please, Apple. Keep the Safari pitch low key and subtle, and make it simple to get it out of your way permanently if you don't want to see it. People generally respond better to notifications that leave them in full control - i.e., "here is something interesting if you would like to try it...if not, I'm gone."

A strong arm, in-your-face push for Safari would be Microsoftish. It would irritate people and destroy the bridge that Apple is attempting to build with current Windows users. Let them make the (right) choice.

Mar 20, 08 - 04:46 pm Comment from: OBill-Wan Kenobi

Two things I've noticed about using Safari in XP here at work:

1) Websites look fantastic. Fonts, images, etc. look especially crisp.

2) Safari 3 is fast. Really fast. Blows FF and IE out of the water.

I'm really interested to see what FF3 is going to look like but I have to say that I'm so impressed with how S3 renders images FF has a mighty high bar to hurdle.

Mar 20, 08 - 05:03 pm Comment from: ken1w

I'm glad Apple is not calling the Windows version "beta" anymore.

I was just playing around with it under WMware Fusion Windows XP. It almost made me forget I was using Windows.

well, two friends o mine (both using german XP) couldn't install Safari 3.1 at all. What gives? Don't remember the related errors - only the fact that, in both cases, the previous Safari version worked "okay-ish". Personally, I think Safari is okay for the occasional user, however, it surely lacks when it comes to bookmark management and plug-ins in general (compared to Firefox).

Open source Camino's revenue stream is from google search, use it or lose it or don't complain when Safari reminds you to update your iTunes, go pro on QuickTime... whatever.

"It's about damned time Apple leveraged those iTunes for Windows installs to help spread the word. "

Thats right. It's good to use one monopoly to try to gain another. Unless you're not Apple.

embrace and extinguish

iTunes is NOT a monopoly. It is simply a very widespread music library, management and storefront tool. Nobody makes you install iTunes when you buy a PC and certainly no one makes you buy an iPod or iPhone.

Synthmeister,
Thank you for reminding people of the very obvious.
No, iTunes is not a monopoly.
There is also a huge difference between something like IE, which *can't* be removed from the system, and Safari which is a completely optional install.