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Mar 05, 09 - 05:39 pm Comment from: Predrag

So, if you were a developer, which mobile platform would you choose? One has (mostly) unified hardware platform, central application distribution system and rapidly growing installed base; the other has myriad of diverse hardware platforms (some with touch screens, other with buttons, display resolutions form 120x180 pixels to 640x480 pixels, as well totally unpredictable number and layout of buttons and control surfaces), uncertain future, fuzzy roadmap for OS development and no way to reliably expose your product to the largest possible customer base.

There are no doubts which platform has the future.

Mar 05, 09 - 05:41 pm Comment from: TimeToSignOff

Who was it that said "Developers, Developers, Developers?"

Mar 05, 09 - 05:42 pm Comment from: JAYGEE

@ Predrag

if you were a developer, which mobile platform would you choose?

I'd choose google android.

Mar 05, 09 - 05:45 pm Comment from: occams razor

I have my life before with crap phones which was total frustration and life after the first iPhone, which is bliss. It just worked and worked beautifully. Then they go and give me apps. Farking amazing perfection. Are we due a new variety this summer? My kids need another hand me down.

Mar 05, 09 - 05:50 pm Comment from: macbones

That video just never gets old. . . .

@Pedrag
I am not a developer yet, but I will became one and I will chose iPhone. I don't want to be guessing in which hardware my app will run. And also, apple have a very good support for developers.

25 000 apps, but no turn by turn GPS navigation.

25 000 ifart apps most likely. Just what the mobile app market has beem missing all these years.

Well if you do choose Android Jaygee, you'll lose your shirt. Even Google are developing for the iPhone.

hahhahha @steve ballmer, he must feel like an idiot now

@Surur:
my theory is that all the ifart apps are being written by WinMobile application developers who for 9 years haven't been able to sell anything on that platform. but now they're making money.

why has nobody figured this out yet?

@ JAYGEE RE: "@ Predrag

if you were a developer, which mobile platform would you choose?

I'd choose google android."

Poverty rocks Jaygee! I hope you relish in it ya tard

Mar 05, 09 - 06:09 pm Comment from: Zune Tang®

I'll remind you MAC lemmings it isn't the quantity of apps, but the quality of apps—and Windows Mobile wins hands down on that front. You can have all the apps you want; if they all suck it doesn't matter. MAC is typically rushing out incomplete, unstable software just to stay above water. Is it working? Do you call 2% market share above water?

History demonstrates Windows enthusiasts have discerning tastes. People will flock to Microsoft's app store for the user-friendly, beautifully designed and rock solid stable software they've come to expect from the Windows platform. Suck it, MAC dorks.

Your potential. Our passion.™

I laugh every time I hear him say, "we took 20 to 25 percent of the high end market".

Was/is he smoken crack? Who's ass did he pull those Zune numbers out of because god knows I never saw one in the wild in use. I did see a boat load of them at a Costco for about a month an then the diplay disappeared.

I guess it's that new WASL math here in Washington.

"Steve Jobs is KILLING us!!" - Fake Bill Gates, Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999)

Mar 05, 09 - 06:45 pm Comment from: JAYGEE

@ Wha

Yes, you are right to insult me. How dare I pick a non apple system. How foolish of me.

@ Jaygee:

You've got splinters in the windmills of your mind.

The customer base of yer Android app might get you a Wendy's burger with no cheese.

You, sir are not foolish. You are a tard.

Mar 05, 09 - 07:47 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

Zune Tang® reminds us


" ... it isn't the quantity of apps, but the quality of apps ... "




Where have we heard THAT before ?





C'mon Zune, can't work both sides of the street at same time



(although I know you're really a Mac Guy just in here having fun, but that's ok, I'll play along)







BC

Mar 05, 09 - 07:49 pm Comment from: qka

Who was it that said "Developers, Developers, Developers?"

That comment was PRICELESS!!!

Mar 05, 09 - 08:00 pm Comment from: Randian

Yeah, JAYGEE is the "all caps" guy.

Actually, Google's Android has about as much chance of succeeding in the smartphone market as JAYGEE has getting a high school diploma. A GED (ooh, all caps again!), maybe, but certainly nothing more.

Wow, that was my calculation of 23+M iPhones and iPod touches.

Without a doubt, the greatest second act in business history.

Mar 05, 09 - 08:57 pm Comment from: Roberto

CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! CAPS! CAPS!

By coincidence, . . . the CAPS play near Georgetown.

The program that no one ever seems to mention is even with millions of apps for the iPhone. You could count the number of really useful apps with the fingers on both hands!

I've had my iPhone for about a year now, I love it in terms of full finger firendly and capactitive touch screen but when it comes to replacing my old useful WinMo apps. I just can't believe that with millions of apps I can't find any that are even half as good.

And where the hell is copy and paste/turn by turn directions.....

Ah someone needs to tell Apple that it's not quantity but quality that counts

I'm an iPhone user and AppStore game addict. I don't know the percentage of crapwares for Windows Mobile, but I must say AppStore is filled with so many crapwares. Plus, many apps have 2 versions (full and lites) so they're counted twice.

Anyway, it's the growth rate that matters and recently there are more and more amazing games coming, like Sway and Zen Bound,so I'm very optimistic.

Lastly, Windows Mobile in itself is a crapware, so it's a no contest.

Mar 06, 09 - 12:32 am Comment from: steve32465

@Surur: If you want turn-by-turn go get a Tom-Tom or something. What the f*#k do you want?!! The world!

Mar 06, 09 - 02:43 am Comment from: BC Kelly

Oh, and MDN

Thanks for running, again, that Ballmer video

Hadn't seen it in a while

And reminds me of how fulla shit he is

And how his - aka Microsoft

Is 1/2 the problem that got us in the Current Economic Situation™

Shit follows shit, and ton of money went for their way of thinking

Which is Not Different™




BC

@Steve

Where's Skype? Where's TomTom for your smartphone? Where's Opera and Firefox?

25 000 junk apps.

steve32465

As far as I'm aware TomTom is ready to go on the iPhone, there appears to be a slight problem on the legal side which hasn't been addressed yet. Giving the iPhone turn by turn GPS means one less device in my car...I'd by the app in a flash...

@pedrag:

"So, if you were a developer, which mobile platform would you choose? One has (mostly) unified hardware platform, central application distribution system and rapidly growing installed base; the other has myriad of diverse hardware platforms (some with touch screens, other with buttons, display resolutions form 120x180 pixels to 640x480 pixels, as well totally unpredictable number and layout of buttons and control surfaces), uncertain future, fuzzy roadmap for OS development and no way to reliably expose your product to the largest possible customer base."
Wow, can you get a few more facts wrong?

First, when is diversity bad? Maybe you think people should all drive a Prius, too. Choice is a good thing (for consumers, at least), and developers can support it. I suppose a lazy developer might prefer the iPhone's standardization, though.

Second, you're completely wrong about screen resolutions. The lowest screen resolution supported by WM is 176x220 on the original non-touchscreen versions; there was never a 120x180 resolution supported to my knowledge. The highest supported resolution is 800x480 (which happens to be significantly better than the iPhone's).

Third, what "uncertain future"? Isn't the future uncertain by definition? However, ignoring your rhetoric, Microsoft's partners moved more than 20 million devices last year, more than the iPhone sold.

Fourth, what's this about a "fuzzy roadmap for OS development"? Just because Microsoft hasn't published it doesn't mean it's fuzzy (to them). By the way, where does the notoriously tight-lipped Apple publish its roadmap for the iPhone OS?

Fifth, regarding exposing your work, Windows Mobile is adding an app store in the upcoming release. However, people have always had easy ways to get Windows Mobile apps from sites like Handango. You can even buy from your phone with their InHand application. And many vendors or carriers include links to a branded Handango Web site. So getting apps isn't as difficult as you claim and will be getting easier.

Also, as a developer, wouldn't you prefer the option to sell apps on your own that do what you want, instead of having to give Apple 30% of your sales and get Apple's blessing to distribute your app?

Finally, most non-free iPhone apps are priced much less than Windows Mobile non-free apps, so maybe Windows Mobile apps are more profitable per unit, too.

Steve

JAYGEE I think if somebody gives reasoning for a stated choice then respect should be shown, but when someone comes on and simply gives a choice for the apparent sake of being sarcastic then expect not to be taken very seriously.

So lets give you another chance why would developers wish to chose to develop for Android?

Mar 06, 09 - 07:57 am Comment from: Road Warrior

Zune must be in love...he's so gaga over MacNasty Babe he doing the Redmond start your photocopiers dance..."I'll remind you MAC lemmings it isn't the quantity of apps, but the quality of apps—and Windows Mobile wins hands down on that front."

How quickly a Microsoft apologists changes their Zune.

Meanwhile it is nice to see how the arrogant mighty minisoft has fallen...fortunately for them they did not have far to go.

Think Same™

you know what? i actually side with Zune Twang for once. fifty percent of the apps in the iTunes App Store are more or less FART APPS. the quality of the majority of what's available up there is pathetic.

that is the point. The iPhone apps store is a smashing success even without the killer apps. Remember Apple has yet to really drop THEIR developer mojo on the store. I'm sure their apps are ready, ... .just waiting until someone gives them an excuse to hit the grand slam.

With Windows Mobile 7 a year a way, and Android sputtering...there's yet no compelling reason to swing for the fences....hopefully Palm will entice Apple to play their hand

"The customer base of yer Android app might get you a Wendy's burger with no cheese. "

Today that's true. But there's a wave of Android phones coming to swamp Apple's tiny iPhone lifeboat.

Add to that in many cases the same design that can run Android will run Windows Mobile just fine too allowing vendors to easily launch phones in both those camps.

"Open source" symbian remains a Nokia thing and despite it's massive share of lower end smartphones, it is going away. the Blackberry platform remains a RIM proprietary thing, so it's share will sink too.

Can anyone but Apple launch iPhones? No. Therefore does anyone expect Apple to get to more than say 10-20% of the global smartphone market? No. That'd still be 30 million phones a year or so at the high number, maybe even 60 million phones if the smartphone market doubles in 2-3 years as Gartner predicts it will. But those numbers, impressive as they are compared to Apple's current iPhone sales would still make Apple nowhere near the dominant smartphone OS vendor.

The 25k apps are mostly free, "phone mike's" or highly duplicative of other apps in the store. There now has to be over 100 fart apps in that total. So take that 25k apps, divide by 50 to get unique apps, and divide that by 10 to get useful apps, by that logic there's probably about 500 total unique apps and 50 useful unique apps in the store.