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Mar 06, 08 - 11:54 pm Comment from: AAPL

what me worry?

Mar 06, 08 - 11:58 pm Comment from: studentrights

Verzion must be shitting their pants and weeping over their dumb decision to reject the iPhone.

RIM will be #2 by this time next year.

Mar 07, 08 - 12:09 am Comment from: Think

Watch the Quicktime video of the presentation. You just can't describe the demo's with words.
This is going to destroy so many devices.
Sales are going to just skyrocket.
Un-FFFFnn-believable

Mar 07, 08 - 12:16 am Comment from: freefromdesign

Apple is going to take over the world, soon we will be living in iWorld. At least it will run smoothly.

Mar 07, 08 - 12:19 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

@ freefromdesign

I believe it's eWorld. Freakin' MAC dorks.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Mar 07, 08 - 12:21 am Comment from: John

I'd love to join in, but for whatever reason the download page they send me to is broken....

:(

Here's hoping I can get the SDK.... eventually!

just one word described SDK--WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The game demos were pretty amazing. I had no idea 3D games of that quality were going to be possible on my iPod touch... and those were just some half-assed ones whipped together by a couple people in a couple weeks. I don't care if the update costs $50, it will be more than worth it, and more than worth the wait.

Mar 07, 08 - 02:41 am Comment from: makemineamac

Talk about exciting, there is always just 'one more thing', and I freaking love it.

This wasn't at all what people were expecting today and it's amazing they were able to keep it quiet. That makes for one powerful, effective, market-altering, game-changing launch.

Gotta love it, and I don't know if Rim will be number 2 next year, but this is going to change the industry again, and the IT people now have the right tools to integrate it into their environment.


Wow!

I applaud the visionaries and harding-working designers and programmers at Apple. If not for them, led be great leaders, we would not be here experiencing this shift in human-computer interactions. Star Trek, here we come.

They talked about atomic applications with certain system-level integration, but just think what will be possible over time -- voice control, video in/out, teleportation.... okay, so many not that yet.

Mar 07, 08 - 03:02 am Comment from: makemineamac

No kidding coolfactor. I can't imagine what it must be like for all the Apple employees that are part of this change, it must be hard work, but extremely rewarding.

Me, I'm buying the teleport app as soon as it hits the App Store, there's a few things I would like to do...

Mar 07, 08 - 03:43 am Comment from: mike_in_helsinki

... my ass.

You got access to iPod Touch, you idiot (Yates).

This is LESS about developing for iPhone than it is about developing for an entire new class of portable device.

iPhone will be an important subset, the all the stuff in Apple's pipeline that has nothing to do with the carrier aspect is way, way, way greater.

Mar 07, 08 - 04:11 am Comment from: MCCFR

The comments by the CEO of id Software (Doom, etc.) overnight show how far Apple have been willing to shift since the "web apps are all you need" comments of the launch period and how that ability and willingness to change contrasts with the tectonic pace of change at the mobile networks.

What this launch shows is that, contrary to perceived wisdom, SPJ 3.0 is more than willing to alter direction (unlike SPJ 1.0 [Apple 1976-85] and SPJ 2.0 [NeXT]); this should actually be more worrying for Apple's competitors, especially as SPJ now has the ability to make it appear that a change forced by external pressures was always part of his grand masterplan (rather like my friend's Cavalier Spaniel when he falls off the sofa).

One thing is for sure; you're going to start seeing a few more Macs in IT consulting firms and Global Fortune 1000 companies as the Corporate Universe starts to recognise how a mobile platform should work whilst simultaneously discovering that not every computing experience needs to be either perversely counter-intuitive or an exercise in despair.

And here's another thing: when 100 million iPhone/iPod (and probably iSlate) customers are spending $25.00 a year on software through App Store, Apple will book income of $750 million. I know SPJ said this isn't going to be a major profit centre, but the idea that Apple won't make at least a couple of hundred million in real profit as a result of this is actually surreal nonsense.

Mar 07, 08 - 04:20 am Comment from: Murasaki

My friends, this is an important moment in computing history. Just as the Macintosh was revolutionary in 1984, the iPhone is EVOLUTIONARY in 2007.

Mar 07, 08 - 06:17 am Comment from: Petey

Yet another nail in the coffin of windows mobile.

Great job Apple - I'm gonna love buying and using all those new apps!

Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers...

Sadly, most of the Winblows mobile users won't understand the greatness of it. Yeah, they're that idiot.

Mar 07, 08 - 06:48 am Comment from: Think

zUne tAng seems to be starting to crack. Even he couldn't offer negatives about this.

Gosh, wish I had a zune.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Mar 07, 08 - 06:54 am Comment from: R

They'll make the 10 million mark this year. No wonder they were so confident.

When the iPhone was originally announced in January 2007, Merlin Mann gushed that it was a Mac in your pocket. He then soured on the iPhone as he learned more about it. But I think he had it right the first time. Just as there are many people who do not need a desktop computer, there will soon be many people who will not need a laptop computer either. We are truly watching history in the making.

Mar 07, 08 - 07:25 am Comment from: Macromancer

"SPJ now has the ability to make it appear that a change forced by external pressures was always part of his grand masterplan"

Still amazes me how people actually think they weren't planning on doing this all along. Seriously, it hasn't even been a year since the iPhone came out. This sort of shift has to be done in waves. They couldn't have offered all this from the get-go and had a successful launch.

Mar 07, 08 - 07:49 am Comment from: Think

@Macromancer

You are correct sir.
A great story my dad told me. Back in the early days of records, RCA came out with a nice radio. Sold lots of them, then they came out with an add-on record player that plugged into the back of the radio. Nobody knew what those extra plugs were for when the radio first came out. RCA undercut all the other record player prices because it used the amp and speakers of the radio.

It's called engineering and very carefully scripted planning.

Mar 07, 08 - 08:13 am Comment from: MCCFR

Macromancer…

I'm not doubting that the SDK was part of a long-term plan, however I'm also not completely certain that Apple wanted to do this quite as quickly

I think Apple could quite comfortably have lived with the iPhone being a media phone for another two years or so; I think what shocked them was the early demand for a full application development environment and the lengths to which people would go to get "proper" applications onto the unit i.e. potentially bricking their phone.

My perception is that Apple realised that, rightly or wrongly, the "bricking" phenomenon would ultimately turn into an opportunity for competitors to propagate negative PR using the "Apple restricts your freedom of choice…" gambit and decided to accelerate the roll-out of the full SDK which must have existed from Day One.

Again, it's like my friend's dog: he was always going to get off the sofa at some point, it's just that gravity - which I constantly remind him is not his friend - expedited the process. Diesel's (and I know that's an incongruous name for a Cavalier) skill is the way he gracefully rolls and then trots away as if the whole exercise was intentional, just as SPJ's skill is using the RDF (which may as well be called Jedi mind-tricks) to make people forget his previous statements on any number of subjects whilst simultaneously convincing them that his new position was always his position.

The genius from Apple is being able to deliver such a substantive 2.0 update, especially the Microsoft ActiveSync elements, as well as soup-to-nuts developer programme including the $100M that KPCB have retrieved from down the back of the sofa. Combined with the whole "this was always our plan" pose, it makes the competition's negativity re: iPhone in the past look like a lack of vision which actually makes Apple look even better.

In any case, it barely matters which of us is correct: the only real thing that matters is that this whole thing will mean more demand for iPhones, especially in the corporate arena, with more commissions on higher value plans. I know I can't afford any Apple shares, but anyone who can and doesn't buy in now is a certifiable idiot.

Mar 07, 08 - 08:14 am Comment from: auren

I was really impressed at how Steve stepped back from the lime-light, just a bit, and allowed others to do the 'heavy lifting'

Here's what I think: Steve Jobs and company already have a plan for the safe transition of Apple after Steve decides to step down (many years from now). We mere mortals simply don't know what that plan is right now.

Mar 07, 08 - 08:22 am Comment from: January 24, 1984

Maybe Steve is getting ready to go back to his Home Planet. He's leaving a pocket version of himself for us to remember him by.

Way back in Jan 2007, Jobs remarked to Markoff of the NYT that Apple was working on allowing native apps. So it's clear an SDK was in the works like Macromancer said, though MCCFR is probably right that consumer and developer response probably moved Apple to put more A-team resources on it to speed it up.

Microsoft was quoted as saying Apple (Schiller) negotiated with them for two weeks about ActiveSync licensing even before iPhone was released in June, so again the enterprise aspect was something in the works. The corporate (Genentech) and university iPhone seedings are also evidence of much forethought and preparation.

With Apple, there's clearly a vision and a strategy in place, and we just get to see little pieces every time Jobs speaks and products get released. In terms of leadership and management, it's fascinating to watch.

Mar 07, 08 - 10:37 am Comment from: DogGone

I think Apple have been planning this for the last 4-5 years. It is that depth of R&D;that sets Apple above all others. Nobody with the exception of perhaps Google is willing to invest time and money on doing it right.

Jobs mentioned that they wouldn't block VOIP via WiFi. That opens the door for any service to provide alternative telephony to the major carrier. As WiFi expands coverage in major cities, some people could forge the iPhone for the iPod Touch, if complete access wasn't an issue for them.

Mar 07, 08 - 11:48 am Comment from: Tommy Boy

Does the iPodTouch have a microphone input?

Mar 07, 08 - 01:35 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Does the iPodTouch have a microphone input?"

Not in the current version.

Yes, the Zune Thang seems to be cracking. I read another post and the resulting reply from someone on how to install Internet Explorer was way more hilarious than ZT has been for a while.

And now this: "I believe it's eWorld. Freakin' MAC dorks."
Nothing about the "just wait to you see what MS has coming up in the latest vapourware" or "my Delldo gives me so much satisfaction, I even shove it where the zune shines."

Nope, just a short spiteful comment about Mac dorks, about all that is left to the core of this, someone who hates people that happen to love what the technology can do. Pathetic really. I might think that the MS corporation sucks, and that their software sucks, but to actually stoop to hating the people who use MS products? Heck, thank goodness for them, they have stayed away from a stock that has made me a lot of money and technology that has allowed me to outcompete them on every turn. Gotta love them.

Can you hear the fat lady clearing her throat?

Just got to say this about ZT now:
Your hatred of people. Our love of people.™