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The idea behind the title is correct, enterprise is as enterprise does. Remote wipe and some of the other features added in iphone 3.0 should make the Iphone more attractive to enterprise support. As for enterprise use, people are already using the iphone in business.

It should also be interesting to see if small and growing businesses realize that a mac mini server is now more cost efficient than a dell 1920, and it comes fully licensed. In this age of severe cost cutting, that should count for something.

Nov 20, 09 - 01:59 pm Comment from: Think

One of the old Mac weekly rags, forget the name, once a year would publish the top 200 or 300 companies that were all Mac. It was always very interesting to learn who was on the list.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:04 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

"Enterprise" is a code word for Microsoft Windows and its ecosystem. Everything from software, to security measures, to database applications, to network equipment that doesn't work with Macs, to Windows Mobile devices, etc.

This is a huge mindset/mindshare. The question is does the Mac penetrate that culture.

That's it exactly. "Enterprise" is a culture.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:05 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

@Think,

The old Mac weekly was MacWeek. The MacWeek top 200 used to be my favorite employment possibility list.

Man do I miss that list. I've tried to get similar numbers from Apple and other places, but they just don't seem to exist anymore.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:08 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

//Slightly tangential rant in 3...2...1...

As I have watched the computer industry for the last twenty five or so years, one of THE most frigtarded things I've seen is this business of "Enterprise" where what is actually meant is "Business."

Carlin would back me up on this.

I don't care how many dialects of Klingon you speak, how many action figures in the original packages you have, or how much you Grok Spock, all the MCSE placques on your wall do NOT make you the Montgomery Scott of the office.

It's called BUSINESS. There is no NCC-1701 on the side of your building. If there is, I have no respose to that.

You--you must be nearly thirty--have you even KISSED a girl???

//endrant. Thank you for the opportunity. Let the flames begin.

Apple's involvement in "enterprise" is only deep enough to prevent Microsoft from using its monopoly power again to force the consumer market to buy its crappy business-oriented software on grounds of compatibility and ubiquity.

There is almost no long-term profit in the "enterprise" market (if "enterprise" means large-scale business) that compares to what Apple achieves in the consumer market. Competing with IBM, Oracle and Microsoft, as well as the mass-market business hardware companies, requires too much time and resources.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:10 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

Thelonius gets it.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:23 pm Comment from: Beowulf

@ bond co. stooge

LOL!!!! That was awesome. I love Carlin. May he rest in peace.

It strikes me, however, that 'enterprise' isn't something you define.

Sure you can: total piece of crap TV show which nuked a franchise.

Nov 20, 09 - 02:37 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

I think Apple wants be be included in the enterprise segment, it simply is doing it where they are not committed for support.

Nov 20, 09 - 03:10 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

With regard to market niches, "Enterprise" = "Large Scale Business". This can be further broken down into "Department" and "Group" scales. Then there is "SOHO", Small Office, Home Office. These CAN'T be broken down into Groups, never mind Departments. Somewhere in the squishy middle is the Mid-Sized Business ... generally a company that either wants to be or used to be an Enterprise.
The Mac mini-Serve works well in the SOHO market and the Group market ... not so well in the Department or larger markets. The Xserve targets the Enterprise market. Company-wide, Department-wide, maybe even Group-wide, though that might be over-kill.
Despite what theloneousMac claims, the term "Enterprise" is NOT "owned by MSFT". Sure, MSFT has the majority of the servers ... but big-box Unix, bigger-box mainframe, and smaller-box Linux machines do most of the work. The Xserve may be sized more like the Linux and MSFT servers, but it is actually one of the smaller Unix boxes.

Why can't they just say "Business" ?? Enterprise has other meanings.

Nov 20, 09 - 03:15 pm Comment from: Think

I forgot to add.

The point of the top 200 list was when some idiot would say Macs can't exist or run "Enterprise" companies, I would just start naming names of some very prestigious world wide companies that ran all Mac.

It tended to stop the argument and shut up the idiot.

Another rant.
I called the wi-fi guy to find out why I couldn't send mail at this campground. Well, so he says, he doesn't know anything about Macs because they only have about 10% of the market. I replied, "and growing." All he could respond with was, "Whatever." He insisted that it must be a problem with my Mac (couldn't be anything else because he'd checked all the settings). Turns out the issue is I'm trying to send mail through his provider, Comcast, to my mail server, Embarq. When will these IT guys get their collectives heads out of the PC sand and realize that Mac are creeping up on them?

i dont have much experience in the computer industry but it seems to me that there would be a lot of IT guys out-of-work if apple had a stronger presence in "enterprise," and there would be a lot less problems for them to fix. is this part of the resistance to apple in this market?

Nov 20, 09 - 06:41 pm Comment from: qka

@Just me

In the IT dweebs defense -

What you described was an ISP problem. In the name of security/anti-spam, ISPs sometime block access to other SMTP servers other than their own. I went thru this recently w/ Time-Wanker.

If you have web connectivity, you have Internet connectivity. Anything beyond that may be restricted by "security" policies.

Nov 20, 09 - 07:47 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

You were using he Mail app to send email through a third-party ISP? That right there may have been your problem. This is not a "PC vs Mac" issue. The fact that you had a Mac when he was only familiar with PCs gave him a chance to shrug his shoulders and blame your equipment. You can't do what you wanted to do with a PC, either.
Most ISPs allow users the option of Web-Mail. This simply runs a thin pipe through the "local" ISP ... your e-mail is not seen as anything other than "content". The message goes to YOUR ISP, where it is formatted as an e-mail and sent from there.
Been there. Shrugged my shoulders and soldiered on.

Nov 21, 09 - 08:11 am Comment from: MacRaven

You know Capt. Kirk and Spock would have used nothing but Apple on their "Enterprise." And that shows intelligent life on Earth.
; )

Apple is SO far from understanding what the Enterprise sector needs it's painful.

"it seems to me that there would be a lot of IT guys out-of-work if apple had a stronger presence in "enterprise,"

Sure...and I'm still waiting for Motorola to put Intel out of business because Intel is garbage according to Apple zealots.

You do realize that the majority of Apple's growth in the computing market is due to portables, which have ziltch to do with 'Enterprise', right?

Also, iPhones are increasingly welcomed in IT departments and I've seen little hostility towards them because IT folk like them. Basically it comes down to iPhone -vs- Blackberry in 'Enterprise', with everybody else picking up nuggets inbetween. However, thinking the iPhone will cause some type of miraculous halo effect making us rip out our AS400 or Unix boxes and deploy Xservers is a bit delusional. Also, IT departments aren't dominated by Microsoft given the fact every 'Enterprise' I've been in is running a mix of other platforms that Microsoft is aggressively competing with. If you want more market share, then I suggest you earn it, and it won't be because you have superior color management capability.

Since none of you have obviously been in an Enterprise server farm, and I've been in over 50 in over a dozen different industries I feel compelled to inform you that Apple has marginally less platform share than Atari in that market. However, the half a dozen people in the graphics department running iMacs are just smarter than those of dealing with server issues across four continents.

The few Xservers I run across in 'Enterprise' are always running Yellow Dog as well. Why is that?

If you honestly think deploying Apple OS's in 'Enterprise' alleviate application headaches then I guess the several thousand developers I've worked with are absolute morons as well. We've been there - done that, and are using the tools the best get the job done. Linux solves every problem that Microsoft creates better than Apple, and Linux doesn't bind us to a specific hardware platform.