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Apple’s Mac OS X Leopard is 64-bit done right, unlike Microsoft’s Windows Vista kludge
Monday, August 14, 2006 - 08:37 AM EST

"Windows Vista will come in a multitude of flavours: six at the last count. And it's said that all of these, bar the starter edition, will come with the added 64-bit support needed for modern CPUs - but the 64-bit versions will be completely different installable builds," Dean Pullen reports for The Inquirer.

"The 64-bit installation will come with a 32-bit emulation layer called WOW (Window on Windows, and nothing to do with orcs and elves) which will, as you can probably guess, allow you to run your old 32-bit apps on your shiny new 64-bit Vista, via emulation. 32-bit hardware drivers will not work," Pullen reports.

"There will be just one version of workstation-based Leopard (plus an accompanying server edition), and it will come with 64-bit and full non-emulated 32-bit support," Pullen reports.

Pullen reports, "Starting with Xcode 2.4, the OSX Universal binary format has been extended to support 32-bit and 64-bit for both PPC and Intel processors inside the same file, giving OSX quad universal binaries. Users don't have to choose between processor architectures nor 32-bit or 64-bit processors, either at the OS or application layers, it's all abstracted away from them - as it should be."

"Note that the non-emulated support in OSX is for applications and drivers. 32-bit programs on Vista 64 need to work on WOW emulation to run in Vista, and 32-bit drivers are a no-no. Lack of driver support is the main reason Windows XP x64 hasn't been widely adopted, and why the Vista fudge will ensure hardware incompatibilities between the two Windows versions remain for sometime to come," Pullen reports. "This is quite a boon for OSX, and one that should be highlighted frequently and often."

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Aug 14, 06 - 07:45 am Comment from: M.X.N.T.4.1

Where does all the R&D;money spent at Microsoft go? Balmer certainly doesn't spend in on Anti-Perspirant, or maybe he does, which is far more disturbing.

Aug 14, 06 - 07:48 am Comment from: maczealot

Six flavors?

1. Putrid
2. Rank
3. Rancid
4. Fetid
5. Moldy
6. Just plain rotten

Aug 14, 06 - 07:49 am Comment from: I'll tell you where it goes!!

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Aug 14, 06 - 07:52 am Comment from: Reality Checkmate

Well its Monday morning and another day at MDN where the propoganda is the same, Windows s*cks and Mac OS X is clearly superior.

It's the truth of course, but it doesn't have to consume our lives. Only abot 1000 people visit this site daily and that's not really doing anything to transform the Windows only landscape to something else like OS X.

I'm leaving.

Aug 14, 06 - 07:52 am Comment from: YankInOz

News headline: 1 January 2010 - Microsoft has filed for bankruptcy protection due to the lack of interest and purchase of its bloated and constantly outdated operating system. It appears that it copy machine leases have run out and it can longer copy any of Apple's life saving functions or operations.

Well, we can hope!

MDN = well.

1st?

Aug 14, 06 - 07:53 am Comment from: Stephen

So why are people waiting, barely able to contain their excitment like a 7 yr old on Christmas Eve for Vista? Oh that's right they aren't.

Either MS is pulling the biggest Rope-a-Dope in human history or this thing is gonna suck so bad it'll make Microsoft Bob seem like a good idea.

Aug 14, 06 - 07:53 am Comment from: R

Unfortunately, I see the potential for M$ to spin this, sazing something like, "We are way out ahead, requiring 64 bit... while the competittion sometimes still has to use the 'old' way."

Aug 14, 06 - 07:59 am Comment from: moiety5

I like seeing journalists use the word no-no in regard to Microsoft.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:01 am Comment from: coolfactor

Reality Checkmate,

The world needs it pounded into them. Too many people still think Windows *is* a computer, and a computer without Windows doesn't exist. They need a lesson, and MDN is providing the information.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:05 am Comment from: TowerTone

If you see a dinosaur charging for a cliff, all you can do is get out of it's way...and maybe film it.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:08 am Comment from: gzero

Reality Checkmate:

Uhhh...you did know the name of this site was Mac Daily News, right?

Don't let the doorknob hit you on your way out.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:09 am Comment from: BrooklynNYC

That's, right. I forgot that MS has six opportunities to lose money on worthless crap! They must feel proud. I, for one, prefer one all-encompassing OS. Hmm, OS X comes to mind.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:17 am Comment from: Braum

I just like to visit this site to feel superior.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:25 am Comment from: TeamZissou

gzero,

Ummmm, yeah, I think he know the name of the site. And apparently the "doorknob" that you refer to as hitting him on the way out is the door to your room. Upstairs. In your mom's house.

I think his point was that there are too many Mac-happy, Steve Job's boxer sniffing losers who live here just to see themselves post and look cool to the geekbud sexless pals, who are in the same boat. His point was well made. Lighten the f**k up.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:40 am Comment from: Chris

Reality Checkmate:

The above article was not written by MDN. It was supplied to MDN from outside sources or provided by their in-house staff. It's a News service, after all. So, if you don't want to read the MS bashing - don't read the MDN Take or the comments sections. It's that simple.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:41 am Comment from: Sputnik

Microsoft cares about it's customers and is offering the customer choices.

If I need a robust 64 bit os for a particular advanced scientific operation, I can purchase a 64 bit Vista™...

If I am a home user I won't have to pay for technology I don't need...

Apple doesn't offer the consumer any choices. Take iTunes for an example the user is forced to use Apple's .m4a files - at least with Windows I can be assured that my digital files will PlayForSure using a standards based audio file.

With Microsoft the user has choices, ActiveX and .NET are just a few of the cutting edge technologies that Apple is not offer to its customers and that is why only 2% of pc users choose Apple computers.

Have you ever seen the look on the face of a person thinking about switching to an Apple after you go to their favorite web site and explain to them that it won't work because Apple computers don't have IE !

Aug 14, 06 - 08:45 am Comment from: BustingTheSkullsOfIdiots

Isn't it ironic that someone spends two whole paragraphs insulting you up and down with the usual Net inferences that you're gay and then tells you to lighten up. Right. Insulting people never convinces them to see things your way, so what's the point? The point is obvious (and transparently so).

Aug 14, 06 - 08:53 am Comment from: Escaport

Is Sputnik back? My day just got a laugh boost.

Welcome back!

Aug 14, 06 - 08:54 am Comment from: Holy Mackerel

I had lunch on the weekend with the IT Manager of one of the largest Power Utilities with thousands of Windows boxes in all areas. "How will Vista affect you?" I asked. He replied there is nothing at all in Vista his organisation needs and wont even think of installing it for another three years. His site is controlled by applications, not the OS, as he moves to more open standards. He could move to MacOS with Parallels or BootCamp and not notice the bump.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:54 am Comment from: Scott

Sputnik, those sites are becoming fewer and fewer. I've been on an Apple since Dec. of 04 and have come across maybe 4 sites that didn't work on safari, so I jump on firefox real quick. And 3 of those four sites were porn sites.

Aug 14, 06 - 08:59 am Comment from: Dave Murdock

I blogged about this last week here:
http://innerexception.blogspot.com/2006/08/leopard-preview-revisted-64-bit-and.html

Aug 14, 06 - 09:04 am Comment from: slgp

I was having a conversation with friends yesterday but how uninformed the typical consumer is, believing the hype of all the mainstream companies.

We weren't in disagreement; in fact, I walked in on their conversation and jumped right in.

What's funny is how on one hand, they can talk about how the average consumer buys the marketing hype without really doing research and, in the 2nd breath, buy all new PC's and constantly talk about how they're "Vista capable." Seems like, when talking about people whol blindly believe marketing hype, they just described themselves (as computer buyers, anyway). These guys are far from dumb.

Aug 14, 06 - 09:06 am Comment from: hagar57

Sputnik: "Have you ever seen the look on the face of a person thinking about switching to an Apple after you go to their favorite web site and explain to them that it won't work because Apple computers don't have IE !"

Scott: "Sputnik, those sites are becoming fewer and fewer. I've been on an Apple since Dec. of 04 and have come across maybe 4 sites that didn't work on safari, so I jump on firefox real quick. And 3 of those four sites were porn sites."

Given this information, we can safely deduce Sputnik's favourite websites!


Hold on, this will get you: MW "girls"

Aug 14, 06 - 09:09 am Comment from: Thorin

Sputnik,

Part of the Mac experience IS the simplicity

of the product line-up. Not an abyss of 6

choices. MS doesn't give a f#ck about you.

OS X: get everything it offers for $129.00

Aug 14, 06 - 09:10 am Comment from: boyweho

YankInOz wrote:
> ...it copy machine leases have run out...

LOL, when I read this, and knowing Leopard will have a feature called Time Machine, I thought a funny new feature for Vista would be Copy Machine --everything in OS X will tried to be copied, but just really badly... <hehehe>


ds. =)
Los Angeles, CA

Aug 14, 06 - 09:12 am Comment from: strong sell

Heh, who woulda thought Windows would be the platform lacking drivers?

I don't know what's more idiotic: The notion of SIX different Vistas, or the concept of the different Vistas needing different drivers. Yikes.

Apple, MS has utterly fallen on its face. Don't waste this opportunity!

Aug 14, 06 - 09:33 am Comment from: G-Spank

The fight is over. Apple won. It's just gonna take a few years for the Sputniks of the world to realize it.

Aug 14, 06 - 09:35 am Comment from: gagravaar

"Lack of driver support is the main reason Windows XP x64 hasn't been widely adopted, and why the Vista fudge will ensure hardware incompatibilities between the two Windows versions remain for sometime to come,"

And will also keep IT managers and their empire's in employment for sometime to come.

Windows users - why do you put up with all this?

Aug 14, 06 - 10:09 am Comment from: posner

i for one welcome our 6 new vista overlords...

and sputnik, if you are still having problems accessing those russion pRon sites from a mac, might i suggest that you check out some of the new Western sites from the post-Brezhnev era?

Aug 14, 06 - 10:28 am Comment from: Reality Checkmate

Well I'm back because I have no where else to go...

Aug 14, 06 - 10:32 am Comment from: KenC

What's interesting is that the original article is from the Inquirer. That site's articles are 99% anti-Apple. So, anything vaguely positive is quite remarkable. Of course, the guy who is usually blasting Apple didn't write the aforementioned article.

Aug 14, 06 - 10:43 am Comment from: ndelc

"Where does all the R&D;money spent at Microsoft go?"

Chairs.

Aug 14, 06 - 10:47 am Comment from: Freddy the Pig

I got iTunes.
I got maybe 16 gigs of stuff in iTunes
... yeah, ok almost 17 gigs of stuff in iTunes
absolutely positively none of it, NONE of it is .m4a files.
WTF is Sputnik talking about? Or is he just a stupid pimply assed teenager trying to sound like a computer geek.

Pimple faced pimple assed teenager!

Aug 14, 06 - 12:27 pm Comment from: Malthus

That is not the real Sputnik, he didn't mention "the real IT world"...

Aug 14, 06 - 12:30 pm Comment from: NickBob

Sputnik! Welcome back, slow day in Redmond or is it just your turn in the rotation? Love this one-
If I need a robust 64 bit os for a particular advanced scientific operation, I can purchase a 64 bit Vista™...
All anyone's buying now is 64 bit Vaypa™. I'll have Mac OS 10.5 before the big M$ has Windows 2001, uh -2004, wait -2005, ok -2007 available for sale.

Give my regards to Macdude at lunch-

Aug 14, 06 - 01:42 pm Comment from: MacMunkee

ndelc:
""Where does all the R&D;money spent at Microsoft go?"

Chairs."

LMFAO! It's time I posted that on my office door and see how many people actually get the joke.

Aug 14, 06 - 01:43 pm Comment from: ndelc

Sputnik needs to add a disclaimer at the bottom of every post explaining to people that it's an exercise in sarcasm. I guess all the replies he gets admonishing his post is half the fun for him, but to the rest of us it's basically thread-jacking. I enjoy the wit and sarcasm but I hate how the thread then turns into an "I-hate-Sputnik"-fest for those who don't know any better.

Aug 14, 06 - 01:43 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

""Starting with Xcode 2.4, the OSX Universal binary format has been extended to support 32-bit and 64-bit for both PPC and Intel processors inside the same file, giving OSX quad universal binaries."

That should give Adobe enough time to make PhotoShop a quad universal binary by 2009! grin

Aug 14, 06 - 02:23 pm Comment from: Frankie

I especially liked the little "TM" symbol that Sputnik tacked on to the word Vista.

FWIW, here's an alternate answer to his question: http://www.google.com/mac?q=wine+internet-explorer

Aug 14, 06 - 02:42 pm Comment from: imacDave

Hey, If I can get my next door neighbor to buy an imac, than any one of us can work constructively to get friends and family to switch.

M$ R&D;money spent on chairs? In that case, Balmer is not allowed to touch my Herman Miller office chair when I get it!

Aug 14, 06 - 03:08 pm Comment from: Fanatic Realist

For people who missed Podcast #51 from Security Now! and don't have the time or inclination to go and listen to it, another source of fun and enjoyment over the next few years will be the fact that Vista introduces a whole new network stack implementation to replace the (allegedly 'stolen' open-source) stack that has run since Windows 2000.

And, as if that wasn't a worry in itself, it would appear that whilst they were developing the stack, they forgot to refer to the 'Previous Mistakes' file so some recent betas of Vista can be made to fall over by staring at them for 20 seconds and shouting at them.

The conclusion of the hosts was that, for Vista to be available to corporates by November, it has to go Golden Master in less than 13 weeks and that - given the fact that the network stack is still a mess - either it will be an accident waiting to happen OR it ain't shipping this year.

People who come on this site claiming that Windows is every bit as functional as Mac OS X should take note of this story, the text of this MDN article sourced from The Inquirer and the DHS warning from last week. Windows stinks now, and it's about to get a whole lot worse.

Smug? You betcha. Cos smug is better than deluded.

Aug 14, 06 - 06:57 pm Comment from: Spark

I love Sputnik. He (she?) is almost as funny as Ampar. And, yes folks, it is all tongue in cheek, so don't get your knickers in a twist. Sputnik is the alter ego of a Steve Jobs fanboy.

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