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That's bullshi*... I can't run the new iMovie on my Apple IIe

Lets all blame the Apple Engineer that wrote it, DAMN HIS VACATION!!!! If he never went he would have never wanted to make a movie in under 30 min!!!

Uh oh, the viability of my machine is finally waning. If I were losing support for an app that my wife uses, I could probably order a new iMac today. She, however, does not use iMovie. Bummer.

Yes and my old "turbo 10 PC" will not run windows XP

People with a G4 it's time to upgrade.

Out with the old and in with the new, thats what I say!


im gonna trash my G5 Power mac soon anyone want to buy it?

Its the minimum required here, i wonder if it will work here.

Notice, only Dual processor G5 power macs will work, not single.

I do love the fact that Macs are still useful even after many years.

But come on my fellow Mac enthusiasts...if you have a G4, it's time to upgrade. The new iMac is only $1200. The Mini is way less than that. Both are much faster than your G4 tower.

It's time to let go. Either that or don't use the new iMovie.

I know progress is inevitable but this does kind of suck. I have a Power book G4 that has been my main home computer. Now if I want to make movies I will have to go to the office and use the Power Mac.
Oh well, guess it is time for an upgrade anyway. I've had the Powerbook for 3 years. Thats 2 more than I ever kept a PC.

There is more to the story. From what I read the new iMovie is supposed to be quite bad for editing, a step downwards. People compare it even to MovieMaker. Seems like a bad decision Apple made. I wouldn't mind having an iMovie that manages movies like iTunes does with music but please don't get rid of all the easy to use editing features!

Thorin

just curious, as a non-married person myself ... do you think comments like the one you posted reflect well on your marriage?

honest question, really.

Markim:

I don't think Apple has thrown away any editing features. Care to elaborate on what's missing in iMovie 08?

Come on everyone - those saying you have to get rid of your G4s and upgrade. I am terrible also for buying the latest stuff I possibly can, so I won't have any problems with this version of iMovie. But there are many many people (others in my family for example) who still use perfectly serviceable PowerBook G4s and QuickSilver G4s, etc. They should be able to edit movies too (they have been able to up till now).

So here's what Apple should do/have done. They should include iMovie 6 and call it "iMovie Classic" or something, so that people with G4s (and even G3s) can continue to make great content with their great Macs.

/my2c

As you say, you are a non-married person. As I say.... obviously, you are a non-married person.

"just curious, as a non-married person myself ... do you think comments like the one you posted reflect well on your marriage?

honest question, really."

We have a great marriage, but she takes care of most of the money issues. A purchase that large would be collaborative. I wouldn't just run out and buy one, that would be disrespectful. So, yes, she would need to be on board with the decision.

"Yes and my old "turbo 10 PC" will not run windows XP

People with a G4 it's time to upgrade."

Yes, I know it's time to upgrade. I wasn't complaining, just giving in to the reality of what you said. I take pride in the fact that my machine has been totally viable for 6 years with no problems. Peace.

and who said it was bad for editing? Have you used it? Is this first hand? Stop talking about things that you do not know rotry and start a rant by many people. Frigtard

Well it doesn't support G3's either—quit whining.

My G5 dual says it supports PCM 24 ... I hope this means what I'd LIKE it to mean - a slight technical improvement in my pod casts.

Mike, sorry 'bout that, man. I didn't even realize the old versions ran on an Apple ][e.

DLMeyer - the Voice of G.L.Horton's Stage Page Pod-Cast - now featuring a reading from Partners

I think it is stupid that I have Final Cut Studio 2 on my SP 1.8 PowerrMac G5 w/4 GB of RAM but iMovie 08 wont work on it. You can't tell me that isn't crazy.

M@C and everyone else,
I am sorry but this is a terrible decision by Apple. It's not the desktops to think about but the laptops. Apple sold a G4 Powerbook up until the Macbook and Macbook Pro were released in Jan. 2006 (I believe). So, if you have a laptop older than 18 months - no iMovie for you! I guess my 1.5 GHz G4 Powerbook, which is less than 3 years old, needs to be upgraded??? That's PeeCee thinking, folks.

"I think it is stupid that I have Final Cut Studio 2 on my SP 1.8 PowerrMac G5 w/4 GB of RAM but iMovie 08 wont work on it. You can't tell me that isn't crazy."

My guess is that the skimming feature chews up a shitload of horsepower.

Believe it or not, not everyone who has a G4 can upgrade just because some snarky fanbois on MDN tell them that "it's time". Yeah, it's only $1100. And you have that kind of money just hanging around, right? I'm not complaining about Apple's prices, because they are reasonable for what you get. And I'm not complaining about iMovie (I don't use it). I'm just saying that some of y'all need to grow up.

For what I do (graphics, web, IF, music creation), my G4 dual 800 is just fine. I imagine it'll be fine for a good long time yet.

Ah, people, you do realise that the first gen G5 iMacs won't work with iMovie.

They were 1.6Ghz & 1.8Ghz G5s. Only 3 years old too!!

Whatever,
Read the specs again. All G5's are supported.

Time for those with a G4 to upgrade?????

Powerbooks were never available in a G5 version (if anyone remembers), and I've got a G4 Powerbook that I use for everything. It's barely over a year old.......Why should I have to upgrade a $2000 computer that I JUST bought a year ago??

MDN MW: "things" People say stupid thing.

"Yes and my old "turbo 10 PC" will not run windows XP
People with a G4 it's time to upgrade."

You people don't seem to get it. My Powerbook G4 is only about a year and half year old. This is ridiculous. Why would I buy the sweet if I can't use the most useful program? Dumb move on Apple's part. They just lost one sale.

Well, I have a PowerMac G4 (dual 1.42GHz) that I've already relagated to a server for storing video and my iTunes library, so it's not as bad as it could be, but really, just disable skimming on the G4's, it can still probably handle the rest.

Why don't you read the specs again??

There are speed specs EVEN on the G5's.

My PB 550 just became a paper weight.

Strike that. Change "sweet" to "suite"

Haha, wow. I feel ashamed now.

Rats, I have a G4 and just ordered iLife 08 and iWorks 08. And you mean to tell me that there is another reason other than ' I want to' to buy a MacPro. I know a family member that will worship me when I give her my G4.

@ Thorin - I took my wife around the Apple store last weekend showing her what I like. Out of everything including the iPhone, laptops, and iMac (which we use in our biz ) she liked the MacPro the best. I did a double take to make sure it was my lovely wife. I agree - always best to keep her happy. Large purchases are a mutual agreement in our house also.

obviously not married.

to go out and do something like buy something without considering your wife's feelings would be a sign of a bad marriage. The fact that he cares enough to take her feelings into consideration means he probably has a good marriage.

Bad marriages are ones in which each partner is too selfish or impatient to sacrifice something to make the marriage work.

on a mac note. This is a non-issue. People with G4s have at least one copy of ONE of the older iMovies available. It's likely the new iMovie just wouldn't perform well enough on the older processors. I tried using Gen1 iMac 1.6... and it was painfully slow to do anything in the current iMovie. The new one would likely be unbearable.

That said, Apple should let the user decide that, and not force their hand. Some people have the time to wait.

Well, remember, Steve did say that they would be phasing out support of the Motorola chips and it looks like this is the first step. I had a good run with my PowerBook. It started life as a G3 400MHz and got an upgrade to a G4 500MHz. Still runs great.

However, since Leopard won't support G3s, I decided back in January to get a MacBook Pro (after almost 7 years, not a bad ROI). My brother loves the PowerBook and I'm ready for the new stuff.

For those who say, "Oh, just buy a new Mac!" I'd like to point out a few things.

The Mac mini went to Intel less than 1.5 years ago. Same with the MacBook Pro (shipped in mid-February 2006). The MacBook replaced the iBook one year and two months ago.

Tell me again how "Macs are useful much longer than Windows PCs."

@wtf and Bill

Well for starters audio editing options have been removed so you can't fade audio up or down. That's clearly a step back.

iMovie has been simplified so that some things such as managing your clips have got better but certain editing features have been reduced or removed. Various video effects have also gone.

The new iMovie is now useless for most of my projects that are easily handled in iMovie 6 so it's a case of keeping both but just using iMovie * for simple quick videos that require only basic editing. It's a shame because there's some cool features in the new version. Apple clearly want to sell more copies of FCE.

"The Mac mini went to Intel less than 1.5 years ago. Same with the MacBook Pro (shipped in mid-February 2006). The MacBook replaced the iBook one year and two months ago.

Tell me again how "Macs are useful much longer than Windows PCs.""

They are still extremely useful. Just because the new iMovie might not run on older equipment doesn't mean that they are paperweights. If that's all you bought your system for, iMovie, then you are working with the wrong software, you should be using Final Cut Pro.

However, if you bought it to use for lots of other things, then iMovie won't kill you... Vista killed more than just one app... As you said, "I'd like to out a few things"...

Amazingly, I discovered that iMovie 08 runs just fine on my Commodore 64! Okay, it's a little bit slow, but I'm sure it'll be fine as soon as it finishes booting up.

This is too soon for a consumer product. G4 laptops, including my G4 PowerBook, (IBM was never able to make a G5 for laptops) are not that old.

So currently, my PowerBook will run Aperture, Final Cut Studio & Express, but not iMovie.

I'm sure that will change, but not for the better.

Cubert -

You know...you are correct. I am thinking a bit like a PC'er in those respects.

So the option is...continue to use your current version of iMovie. I mean...how much better can iMovie '08 be anyway?

My apologies. I miss my 12" PB G4. Wish I never sold it.

@Peter

Macs are more useful because they typically last 3 years before being outdated as compared to 1.5 years with a PC. This is a special case, however, because of the PowerPC to Intel chip transition. I'm not happy about it, as I bought my Powerbook G4 just before the MacBook Pros came out, but that's life; you win some, you lose some.

It's just lovely. I ordered iLife and iWork 08 before I checked the specs... apparently, my Wind Tunnel G4 (was dual 1 ghz, upgraded to dual 1.25 ghz, 2 GB ram, USB 2 & firewire cards added on, FOUR big hard drives stuffed inside, four wired up out side) just doesn't cut the mustard. Ah well, I've been looking for an excuse to upgrade to a Mac Pro, but the transition is going to be a pain.

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G4s are old news and are 2+ generations old now. It's time to move on to Intel...

If you ask me....all you non-intel Mac users are lucky Apple still supports any of those machines.......

Sometimes you gotta force change, ....progress. After all, they're the ones that offer the support. Small price to pay for hardware that is finely tuned with the OS which leads to way less support in the long run.

I'll reiterate what I've most read so far....wake up people, buy a new mac. Help Steve further Apple's impending world domination....

Mike

This news is a slap in the face to current G4 PowerBook owners. I have a G4PB and like to use it to edit down my video content before bringing it home to my G5 Quad. I want the iMovie app to be the same on both machines for obvious reasons. Not supporting one of their own computers that is just a little more than a year old is just plain wrong.

@macstud

You sir, are an idiot. Most people can't afford to buy a new computer ever 1.5 years, which is how old my Powerbook G4 is. Some people have an iBook G4 that's just over a year old. You're telling me you buy a new (Apple) computer every year? If so, I hope to one day be like you. But for Apple to cut off their PowerPC users would be ludicrous. One of Apple's biggest markets are college students. That's why I got my Powerbook G4. You can't expect these students to be able to afford a new laptop every 1.5 years. Or do you? Wake up macstud, learn about customer service and think before you type, not everyone has as much disposable income as you do.

@JBC

Do you even know what you're talking about? G4's are two generations old on the desktop front, but on the laptop front, they are only one generation old. My Powerbook G4 was purchased brand new from Apple just one month before the MacBook Pro's came out. There were no G5 laptops. iBooks were sold until just over a year ago, then upgraded to the Macbooks, which were Core Duo's. That's not a two generation gap. Think before you type about what you do not know.

So, just because Apple doesn't support it, will it not install on a G4? I recall there being workarounds and/or daring people willing to go without support.

And who says a guy with an eMac can't survive without using iMovie 08?

I've been quite happy with my G4. I only started using iMovie some months ago after I bought a DV Camcorder and boy is it slow...

I was planning on upgrading and with the new iMac, iLife 08 and iWork 3 and Leopard coming up, I think I'll get myself a new Mac around the end of the year. I still don't know what computer I'll be buying though. I only know it's very unlikely it will be a MacPro - too expensive - which leaves me with the iMac, the Mac Mini, possibly the MacBook and again, less likley the MacBookPro - too pricey.

Apple screwed this up big time. As has been noted, they should have included the iLife '06 iMovie as well, since all the other apps will work on G4s. I'm perfectly happy with my G4 Powerbook and desktop, but I just got a digital camera capable of video, so I did not get iLife '06 previously, been waiting for '07!

Apple could redeem themselves by making iMovie '06 available for download to owners of iLife' 08, but being a large corporation they probably don't give a damn about us little people who buy their computers in good faith.

Support for all PPC Mac will be ending sooner rather than later, I think. Leopard will probably be the last Mac OS X major release to support PPC Macs of any type. It's like the 68040 to PPC transition; it didn't take Apple too long after selling that last 68k PowerBook to go PPC only. If your primary Mac is a G4, don't feel too bad. It's already served you well for many years, and Leopard will be Apple's latest OS from October for at least two years (probably longer). Even in the worst case, that's 5+ years. If the new iMovie doesn't work, use the old version. If you don't have the old version, I'm sure iLife '06 packages will be discounted for $29.99 from resellers very soon.

According to MacFixit, iMovie '06 stays on your drive even after installing '08.

I will up grade when I can get my new Mac with a read/write Blue Ray drive and not before.

I am wondering how long that is likely to be.

"it's time to upgrade already"
That's just an ignorant statement from an ignorant person. eMacs never went to G5 and they just stopped selling those within the last year, so the whole desktop/laptopo argument is a bit off, also