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Feb 08, 10 - 01:56 pm Comment from: wedge07

How cool would that be!

Feb 08, 10 - 01:59 pm Comment from: Jubei

The sooner FLASH goes away the better for everyone. I'm not falling for that "almost as good as Windows version" BS from Adobe. ClicktoFlash is here to stay. Browsing is so much faster and safer with CTF. Everyone should use this.

Feb 08, 10 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Micro Me

My web browsing experience improved markedly after I installed ClickToFlash. The death of Flash can't come soon enough for me.

Feb 08, 10 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Norrin Radd

@ Jubei

Agree! My browser is much faster with CTF. Whoever came up with that idea - Thank You!

In the greater history of the internet, it is my sincere hope that this "Future Splash Animator" thingy will eventually be looked back upon as little more than a... Flash in the pan.

The best radon for Flash to die can be found at http://www.allworldsresorts.com

CAUTION: content may not be suitable for all audiences. Don't bother trying it from your iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad (that's for you, Pee Wee and Stephen Colbert).

Flash should only be used for game development. Not for site design or banner ads.

There are alternatives already to Flash development: JQuery, CSS, AJAX, and HTML5.

http://webdesignledger.com/tutorials/13-excellent-jquery-animation-techniques

HTML5 Video Player:
http://jilion.com/sublime/video

Development platform:
http://www.aptana.org

Feb 08, 10 - 02:22 pm Comment from: zmarc

Death to Flash!!!

Feb 08, 10 - 02:26 pm Comment from: Demon

Flash smells like a crash waiting to happen!

Feb 08, 10 - 02:26 pm Comment from: Jubei

@gRen

"Flash should only be used for game development."

How about a big fat NO!

The games available for the iPhone/Touch are already awesome. Retooling it for the iPad, with Minority Report moveable controllers is going to rock. The hell with FLASH games, don't even bother with that.

Please stand up all the web designers who have burdened us with tacky-overkill Flash sites…

OK - let fly the eggs….

One thing everybody seems to be forgetting is that NONE of the Flash interactive content [ie, all the games and videos that people want to watch] need to be updated to work properly with any Flash that Adobe would ship for the iPhone. All the controls need to be redone for touch instead of mouse, content resized and performance checked that it works right on mobile devices. And after all this extra work, you still have a second-class UI running in a crash-prone plugin.

I like our strategy ... I like it a lot.

Flash had a use 5 or so years ago when we had no ajax and now we can do all those animations that just work without plugins, there just doesn't seem to be a need. I can only hope that users and developers alike can prevent silverlight from becoming main stream. I can deal with Adobe but when it comes to MicroSoft double standards in their different version of the same software.. Please help us!

Feb 08, 10 - 02:50 pm Comment from: Mr. Reeee

@ScubaBoy...
OMFG that site is totally gay... in every way!

What's propping up Flash (aside from YouTube) is porn, but nearly every porn site these days has an iPhone option for h.264 videos without Flash.

There was a blog post where an Adobe employee created a collage of sites running on iPads. It was meant to demonstrate the strength of Flash and how you'd encounter so many of the annoying blue legos on your journey through the web. One of the sites they used, believe it or not, was the Bang Brothers porn site. But Bang Brothers has an iPhone version of the site without Flash so maybe we'd be able to access that on the iPad too.

I'm not a big porn freak or anything. My point is how much of the internet seems to be getting by without Flash already. So maybe that HTML5 version of the web without Flash is being built right now, under the radar, thanks to Apple. Nobody else could get these companies to create alternate Flash-less sites.

Flash ain't going ANYWHERE until the porn industry takes it's "head" out of it's arse! I say, "Boycott porn on the web"!

Who's with me? Hello?

*chirp chirp*

"I'm not a big porn freak or anything."

Actually I am a big porn freak. That was a rare moment of lying from R2 in order to justify myself in the eyes of MDN readers. I'll try not to make that mistake again.

Feb 08, 10 - 03:08 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

"MacDailyNews Take: Use your head, don't use Flash."

White man speak with forked tongue.

I hope everyone is trying the YouTube HTML5 beta. It makes a pleasant difference for me.

http://www.youtube.com/html5

I like flash.....

It's made one hell of a lot of money over the years...!!

I don't care how it runs or if people like it or not, I just like making money, excellent news now though as my clients will come back to me for me to re-do all the work in html now

magic word "door" as in as one closes another one opens!

We need a standard that is well supported for vector animation. Flash used to be great for this. Now it has to much overhead.

Feb 08, 10 - 03:49 pm Comment from: LordRobin

Imagine there's no Flash,
It isn't hard to do,
No annoying banners,
No too-hot CPU,
Imagine all the browsers, downloading in peace!
You may say I'm a dreamer,
But I'm not the only one,
One day Flash will be gone,
And the Web can live as one!

------RM

Feb 08, 10 - 03:50 pm Comment from: MacBill

Good riddance, Flash!

Unfortunately for Adobe, like it or not, when Jobs points to a technology as either the future or the past, he's got a pretty good track record - floppy-less iMac, track pad, USB/Firewire, Unix, iTunes, WebKit, multi-touch smartphones. No wonder people are waiting for him to give the blessing to Blue-Ray, though it may never come.

Make no mistake, getting rid of flash, desirable as it is, will not get rid of the lazy unimaginative imbeciles who produce the annoying 'content'. That isn't even part of the argument. Removing their fingers might work for a few years, until speech recognition gets better.

Feb 08, 10 - 04:31 pm Comment from: Snow Leopard

I was going to write "Long live Click to Flash!", but I'd much rather it have a short life, due to an even shorter life for Flash itself!

"Thee Flash Thee!"

somewhat amusing to call jpeg an open and free standard. I remember all kinds of legal battles over the licensing and ownership of the format.

Oh good grief.
Dell is the enemy, Micros**t is the enemy, Real is the enemy, Amazon is the enemy, Palm is the enemy, Nokia is the enemy, Google is the enemy, Nintendo is the enemy, Sony is the enemy, Dvorak is the enemy.
Now Adobe is the enemy.

For the next two years it'll be Flash Flash Flash.
Adobe!!! Please!!! 10.1! Now!

Feb 08, 10 - 05:17 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

It's not paranoia. They really are out to get us.

Ok, how are we to do really good vector animation without Flash? I'd personally love to see Quartz Composer handle that or animated SVG, but with SVG you have M$ blocking us there with no support in IE8. Bastards...

Me don't like Adobe.

Boo. Hiss. Quack.

Feb 08, 10 - 10:15 pm Comment from: kevt

Lack of Flash is the biggest drawback for me about the iPad. Steve Jobs, 'the best web experience' or whatever his words actually were. LOL. Not for me when it won't let me use a lot of content of my favourite websites. (News, sports, music).

If it's changed in 2 years, and Flash is thankfully dead, HTML5 rules, then we can all cheer. I'll remove click to flash from my mac and maybe think about an iPad.

For some of us, Apple is not Flash's death knell, but the reason the iPad looks still-born.

Feb 08, 10 - 11:24 pm Comment from: Derek Currie

Boohoo, can't see Flash Crap on your iPad?

Then write the site's Web Master and tell the site to GET OFF THE FLASH CRAP!

There are plenty of equal or better alternatives to Flash. The more people COMPLAIN about Flash Crap, the sooner it will die.

. . . super cookies? It's hard to believe that advertisers, China and the Illuminati would allow the disappearance of Flash super cookies.

There must be something to replace them — something we're not being told about.

Magic Word: military. Coincidence? I think not!

Feb 09, 10 - 12:17 am Comment from: montex

Flash for Mac is ported code from the Windows version. That's why it's slow and crash prone. I hate Flash because it really bogs down older computers and its usually used for obnoxious ads anyway. The sooner it dies the better, IMHO.