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Feb 25, 09 - 09:33 am Comment from: Big Al

I thought the golden age of web browsers ended when IE was included with the Windows OS software.

Feb 25, 09 - 09:44 am Comment from: HMCIV

@MDN Take:

Who made up that rule about browsers???

Feb 25, 09 - 09:46 am Comment from: Connor MacBook

Marshmallow Man? Does this mean Steve's weight problems are over???

Ghostbusters? That movie is 25 years old. Couldn't he pick a more contemporary reference?

Anyway, use Omniweb. It's now free.

A big problem in the browsers war is that many IT managers are ignorants and make they web pages IE compatible only. So many people uses IE just because the online application they use can't be use with any other browser.

Once the IT departments and their prehistoric ".Net" programers evolve in to WebKit or any other open platform, IE will disappear in just 6 months.

Feb 25, 09 - 09:54 am Comment from: ChrisD24

I am surprised that I am the only one who has commented on this - but, when I hit Apple-T I expect the cursor to be in the address bar. Anyone?

MDN, where is it written that reaching 1% market share is a positive indicator of commercial relevance?

Also, according to your logic, IE is eight-times more commercially successful than Safari.

Will both Intel and PPC Mac be able to use Safari 4?

When will Apple release Safari 4?

What data is available to compare and contrast these browsers? Oh, that's right, there is none.

The Ghostbuster analogy is old school.

Why not use the Dark Knight? Jobs can be Harvey Dent while Woz is the Joker. IE can be Rachel Dawes (who should have died in Batman Begins).

At least Opera has a full screen interface (without a scrollbar). The one thing I wish Safari had. Add gestures to that and it would be amazing.

Feb 25, 09 - 10:04 am Comment from: Sixvodkas

Damn my late click!

@Confused!
Can't you install Firefox on a thumbdrive? That's what works for me here at the office. Our office mandatory browser is the glorious IE 6.

Firefox 3 is installable by anyone. Safari 4 requires administrator privileges, which is stupid and which should be unneeded.

"I am surprised that I am the only one who has commented on this - but, when I hit Apple-T I expect the cursor to be in the address bar. Anyone?"

The command is 'Apple-L'

Always has been as far as I know...

Feb 25, 09 - 10:42 am Comment from: ChrisD24

Guess I have been babied with Firefox then-When I open a new tab it goes to the address bar.

Feb 25, 09 - 10:45 am Comment from: Logan

@MacMental
You want to fill the screen with your windows? Get a PC. While using a Mac, don't let any one window use up all your precious real estate. Size it to the content.

Feb 25, 09 - 10:56 am Comment from: thethirdshoe

Doesn't "Apple-T" create a new tab?

Feb 25, 09 - 10:58 am Comment from: DogGone

Can someone tell me why Safari 3 on XP hogs up to 50% CPU if you leave it running? Also why does it take 30 seconds to open on a PC? Safari 3 on a Mac was always very good in those aspects.

I have yet to try SAfari 4 on Windows simply because it is a work machine. I hope the snappyness will be accompanied by better memory management and response time for opening.

The only reason IE has such a high marks is because we are forced to use it. For example there are few web portals at my place of work that work only with IE and I have no choice but to fire up my IE.

Feb 25, 09 - 11:11 am Comment from: DLMeyer

jfj, Safari 4 runs on my Dual G5 ... a PPC system.
Don't expect it before Snow Leopard. It may arrive sooner, that would be nice, but predicting "sooner" can get you an "oops!".
A.J., get with the program! You wrote:"Firefox 3 is installable by anyone. Safari 4 requires administrator privileges, which is stupid and which should be unneeded.". Any install on an OSX system requires a password. That is just one of several reasons why we have so little malware. So, wise up.

We will be in the golden age of browsers when IE is dethroned and irrelevant.

Feb 25, 09 - 11:56 am Comment from: JAYGEE

I don't like Safari 4 that much. I may down load Safari 3.x again. I may consider moving browser when Safari 4 is released fully.

"Just when you thought the browser wars couldn't get any weirder, here comes Steve Jobs rumbling onto the scene like the Stay Puft Marshmallow man tromping over buildings in downtown Manhattan."

BRILLIANT!

...and I like that they mentioned Opera. Opera contributed and was not rewarded - we should all be thankful.

Feb 25, 09 - 12:35 pm Comment from: Charel

Safari 4 makes my Mail crash repeatedly.

can be viewed as a list in Safari Help; command - T ('T' for 'Tab') opens a new tab with the cursor in the address bar, command - L ('L' for 'Location') takes you to the address bar in the current page. This hasn't changed in Safari 4.

Feb 25, 09 - 01:05 pm Comment from: jtc

@Viktor

Not all IT managers are Web developers.. and any good IT manager would have paid someone to code their site for IE and others. I wish IE would go away.. then I could finish my recoding of our site at work to remove some horrid js and use css instead... which works in all browsers perfectly the same.. except IE

Feb 25, 09 - 01:09 pm Comment from: jtc

@redc

I agree with the Rachel Dawes death.. or atleast couldn't they have picked someone who is actually attractive to replace her in dark knight?

.NET web sites have to be hosted on a Windows server, but they can be accessed and used from any browser on any platform. The only things that are proprietary to IE are ActiveX controls and vbscript, neither of which are part of .NET and neither of which get used much anymore. For example, dell.com is a .NET site which works perfectly in Firefox and Safari on Mac.

@Logan

iTunes full screen interface, iPhoto's full screen interface, Preview's full screen interface, ect. Damn, my piece of crap Mac is starting to look just like Windows. I see what you mean.

Feb 25, 09 - 06:20 pm Comment from: British Mac Head

@Viktor
"A big problem in the browsers war is that many IT managers are ignorants and make they web pages IE compatible only. So many people uses IE just because the online application they use can't be use with any other browser."

Agreed, but there's another problem.

I deal with many people every week regarding an e-commerce website that I develop. And one of the technologies used is Scalable vector graphics.

But when viewed in IE without the Adobe SVG plug-in you can't use the dynamic visual features of the site. However with virtually any other browser you can as they have SVG built in.

Anyway, I digress. For the most part, when they ring me for support the majority of these home users don't even know what web browser they are using. Some even say. "What's a web browser?" They just use what comes with their computer.

If I say is it Internet Explorer they sound all confused. These aren't idiots, they are just people with disposable incomes and normally have good jobs, but they are only semi-computer literate.

Some even say "Do you mean Google?" when I ask what browser they have. it pertains to their starting page, not the "Chrome" browser.

How the hell can we educate these people into discovering a better web browser when they don't even know what one is.

Personally, for my sanity and blood pressure, I don't care what browser they use as long as it isn't IE.

Feb 25, 09 - 06:27 pm Comment from: Scott in Japan

@MacMental

I think the finer point is that those MAc apps you've mentioned CAN be resized.

@British MacHead:

Agreed. I installed Safari 3 on my elderly Uncle's Dell. Just wanted him to play around with it. I put CNN as the home page just as a random choice. He is an MSN member and his IE home is set to MSN. After a few months, I asked how he liked Safari. He replied that it was ok, but preferred IE because it had MSN on it :(