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the final version of safari 4 is awesome, and it IS really fast. can't wait to try it on snow leopard!

I like it, but its instability and my inability to grasp how to use it as efficiently as I use Firefox led me to give up on it.

This is by far the fastest any browser has ever been. And they say it's faster in snow leopard, that's insane!!! Apple does the best job using open source and making it awesome and clean!!!

Jun 12, 09 - 09:22 am Comment from: ElderNorm

I believe the appropriate comment is.... "Swing!"

Just a thought.
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Jun 12, 09 - 09:22 am Comment from: wannabe

I hadn't been following the betas so the speed of Safari 4, especially on my older iMac G5, really came as a shock. This release is really incredible.

Still not sure why Apple develops a Windows version, though.

Jun 12, 09 - 09:23 am Comment from: Cascadians

I'm running Safari 4 on minimum requirements and it's screaming fast!

Anybody know where to find the Safari 4 tutorial?

Time to update this iBook G4, nearing end of its upgradability.

Apple, please release the iTablet soon!

Jun 12, 09 - 09:24 am Comment from: El Guapo

@ElderNorm,

I believe that's, "Scha-wing!"

Jun 12, 09 - 09:24 am Comment from: iPhoner

I use Safari exclusively but only because of the Saft plugin. If it wasn't for the plugin I would have to use Firefox. Safari has two major flaws.

1. Adding a bookmark into the correct folder. Cmnd + D opens the window but if you have dozens of folders it is a real pain scrolling and locating to the correct folder.

2. New Windows. I don't want new windows to pop up every time I click a link - I want a new tab.

Saft plugin solves both of these flaws. If there is a way to correct these with Safari 3 or 4 - someone please let me know.

I also wish that you could just click anywhere in the url area and that it would highlight the entire url so that you could start tyrping. As it is now - you have to click the little logo and the left. (Firefox allows this - very minor I know)

Jun 12, 09 - 09:31 am Comment from: cogitoergomac

@iPhoner: Your #2 is nteresting. My Safari is set to open all links in new tabs. And it does. Been that way for a long time.I am a Saft user also, but it is not necessary for that purpose.

11 million downloads. hey Apple, you better be careful because if this number gets too high, you may be blocked from adding the browser to Snow Leopard a la Microsoft IE in Europe.

Jun 12, 09 - 09:33 am Comment from: Cascadians

To iPhoner:

Safari
Preferences
Tabs
Check the box "command-click opens a link in a new tab"

Jun 12, 09 - 09:41 am Comment from: iPhoner

@ Cascadians

Thanks - I knew that was there but dislike having to hit the Cmnd key - pretty frickin lazy agreed?!


@ cogitoergomac
Do you use the Cmnd key as well? If not - where did you set it up? It might be working that way because you have the Saft plugin.

re: Cascadians

you said you're running from minimum specs? if that meant your ibook G4, you forgot to go back one generation - safari 4 is supported on G3s as well. i installed it on my blue dalmatian imac (w/ 600mhz logic board) and was quite surprised to see even on a G3 it felt a little faster than the last version. basic web browsing is still possible and tolerable even on a nine year old "budget" mac! of course, i prefer to use my week-old white macbook. =)

gotta love apple for stuff like this!

Jun 12, 09 - 10:46 am Comment from: Cascadians

Matt, you're right, oooops I'm not as archaic as I thought

Here's some fun fun fun links, wheeeee!

http://www.apple.com/safari/what-is.html
What Is Safari?

http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html
What's New in Safari

http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html
150 Features In Safari

http://www.apple.com/safari/
Download Safari for Mac & PCs

Jun 12, 09 - 10:50 am Comment from: DogGone

There a check box in the preferences for whether a new page opens in tab or separate window.

I will try S4 in winodws today. I gave up on S3 on a PC because the start up time was very slow and it ended up using 50% CPU after a time. This is on XP which may be the problem.

@iphoner

1) Sorry, this one I don't understand. How would it know where to put the bookmark till you tell it. It seems like the pulldown shows all the possibilities on one level, so that seems about as un-convoluted as you could ask.
2) Seems that command it the best way.
3) Command-L selects all the text in the location bar, ready for editing. I know you hate the Command key, but since your about to type anyway.... I use this all the time!
"Com-N, Com-L, type, Return" is a really fast way to open a new site

Jun 12, 09 - 11:11 am Comment from: anaknipedro

I still think Chrome has a much more responsive UI. Safari 4 has improved, but it still needs work if it is to compete with Chrome on Windows. All those Windows downloads were Mac users downloading it on their Windows work PCs.

Jun 12, 09 - 11:13 am Comment from: Olmecmystic

Safari on Windoze....it's like giving a glass of ice water to somebody in hell!

Peace.
Olmecmystic

Jun 12, 09 - 11:31 am Comment from: Andy

Since the beta, I actually stopped using Camino altogether... I must say I liked the tabs-on-top design, but aren't too bothered Apple reverted it back.

Safari 4's interface seems responsive, quick at loading pages and has everything a browser needs for the user's preferences.

Jun 12, 09 - 11:35 am Comment from: Andy

One thing I've wondered though... if you lived out in the sticks and had a 2Mbps broadband connection, but you also had a place in town with an 8Mbps connection, would those different 'line speeds' affect browser performance in any way?

Jun 12, 09 - 12:09 pm Comment from: MacSmiley

@MaximumOverdrive

"No: Top sites a security risk"

How so?

Jun 12, 09 - 12:13 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

Well, at least it hasn't crashed on me yet like the beta was doing fairly often. Speed isn't too bad either.

@Tbone and iPhoner

Cmd+T get you a new tab. You can also ctrl+click (right-click) over a link and select a new tab or new window.

Try Glims. It has lots of cool and useful add-on features for Safari: including the ability to use different search engines.

Jun 12, 09 - 12:54 pm Comment from: @davebroham

it's a got a couple Form bugs that I've experience, hopefully they fix it before more people experience it.

also I would like a settings to have all links open in a new tab...without having to hit a modifier key

6 million copies of Safari 4 for Windows are 6 million votes against M$$$$, their current management and their offerings... and that's not a good thing for the folks at M$$$!

Tabs on top please.

Jun 12, 09 - 02:40 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

Those 6 million Safari-for-Windows users ... how long do you think it will be before they switch? Sure, quite a few of them are already Mac users who are trying to salvage their work PCs, but not all of them. At least a million of them are pure Windows users. Next upgrade cycle, perhaps?
Reminds me. I have a PC I have yet to upgrade ... it's time, I guess. (I seldom use it except for testing, but what the hey!)

Jun 12, 09 - 03:04 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

There ... 6 million and one Windows downloads.
Also did something I have not done for a while - updated the AV software on a computer. My Macs have not needed it since 10.0 so I've been happily without that duty for a while. The XP system has never - that I know of - needed it, but it never gets mail and seldom gets to surf so the opportunities are limited. All it regularly does on the Internet is contact Folding@Home - a safe enough site.

@ MaximumOverdrive

Don't forget that Safari's spell checker is system wide. If I tell it to learn the spelling of a word, that word is remembered in all the other programs that takes advantage of Apple's spell checker. Including TextEdit, iWork, and some obscure applications that I use for work like Photo Mechanic.

"11 Million in 3 days, including 6 million of Windows version"

So, there were more Windows downloads that Mac downloads?!?!?

That's cool!

Jun 12, 09 - 06:01 pm Comment from: DogGone

Got to say that Safari is still slow on my PC at work. Not too sure why - but after running with 8 tabs for 2 hours it is using 128M of virtual memory and taking 30% of the CPU.

Shame cos I love Safari on my macs at home.

You can also just double click the tab area and a new tab is created. As well urls can be dragged directly to the tab are to create a new tab. Check out the online tutorials at Apple.

Jun 12, 09 - 08:35 pm Comment from: knowhowe

Stuck with it for a few days but, nope, still want my top tabs and proper progress bar back please, if it's not too much trouble.

Jun 12, 09 - 11:46 pm Comment from: HazMatt

Ugh.... I hated the old progress-bar-behind-the-address-field thing. It always looked like a text selection to me, and it always stuttered as it loaded anyway. I always preferred the old browser logo animations though.

Jun 13, 09 - 04:37 am Comment from: twilightmoon

iPhoner 1. Adding a bookmark into the correct folder. Cmnd + D opens the window but if you have dozens of folders it is a real pain scrolling and locating to the correct folder.

If you're still reading this thread, this is how I add bookmarks.

Open a new window, and select "Show All Bookmarks" from the Bookmarks Menu. (shortcut Cmnd+Option+B)

Now, on the left side of the window is a list of your folders, click on the one you want, and any relevant subfolders. You can also add, delete, rename, or reorder your folders.

From this point you can either drag and drop new bookmarks, or move your bookmarks from 1 section to another:

To add a new bookmark from an open window,

1. Click on the icon to the left of the text in the URL bar at the top of the window you want to bookmark. Some webpages have their own unique icon, some have the generic blue ball.
2. Drag it into your bookmark window.

To reorder bookmarks,

1. Select folder you want to move bookmark from.
2. Click on the bookmark you want to move, and drag and drop it.

You can use this second method to move a bunch of bookmarks you recently made, by dumping them into a temporary folder and then reorganize them later.

Jun 14, 09 - 12:17 am Comment from: lurker

It's fast.

Moving the Refresh button away from the other page controls was silly, not a functional improvement at all and not that great visually. What's the point?

Single load in-process indicator in the address bar is not helpful when multiple tabs are reloading. You can't go to the one that's finished and start reading without scanning each tab for status.

Making the Tab Go Aways disappear except when the cursor is over the tab doesn't add much.

Apple needs to reassign staff away from Safari. They clearly have too much time to develop these silly dysfunctional artifacts.

Best response to this comes from Asa Dotzler of Mozilla:

"I just read that Apple is reporting 11 million Safari 4 downloads in just three days. That's pretty amazing. I'd like to follow up that report with one of my own.

Firefox 3.0.11 was downloaded about 150 million times in the last 24 hours."

Over THIRTEEN TIMES the number of downloads in just one-third of the time. And the Firefox downloads were for a minor (x.x.11) release! Those numbers make Apple's look like a rounding error.