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May 01, 08 - 10:50 am Comment from: Cubert

HAH!!! Suck on that, errrr.......ummm....Windoze dorks!

May 01, 08 - 10:50 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

I can understand the negative reaction to the initial stealth Safari installation on Windows. So, now that Apple f"fixed" it, why do people still complain?

Just because Safari's been installed, doesn't mean it'll ever get used.

Obviously it does get used.

May 01, 08 - 10:52 am Comment from: Cubert

At least Safari doesn't require the infinite loop of restarts like most Winblows installs.

May 01, 08 - 10:54 am Comment from: ericdano

After trying Safari on Windows, I'm hooked. It looks WAY better than Mozilla Firefox.........

May 01, 08 - 10:58 am Comment from: zippy

Anything to dislodge that crap browser IE from the thrown is welcome news to me. IE makes baby jesus cry!

Wasn't 3.0 labeled a beta release? If so, that might have had something to do with it as well (probably not as much as the "stealth" installation, though).

And party.

May 01, 08 - 11:02 am Comment from: macoverdose_dot_com

Safari is a great browser... I never understand why the PC crowd degrades the web by using internet explorer..... useless jerry-rigged browser!

Ooops.

May 01, 08 - 11:19 am Comment from: MacSheikh

@ zippy

"Anything to dislodge that crap browser IE from the thrown is welcome news to me."

I think you meant "throne" and not "thrown". You're welcome.

If they really want this browser to take off, they should make it an entry door to the web and therefore provide some web services along with it:

- a free version of .Mac, or if not free, at least cheaper and highly integrated to iPhone, and iPod Touch

- an entry door to iTunes

- an entry door to AppStore

- an entry door to all kind of Apple products...

Hopefully this puts a muzzle on the people who were crying "ZOMG! Safari stealth install! EVIL!!!!" - yes, hysterical Mozilla people, I'm looking at *you*. I love your browser and use it almost 100% of the time, but honestly, dial down the doomsday rhetoric on Apple here, will ya?

If this had been a real "stealth" install, Safari would be sitting on these peoples' hard drives, unused. Clearly, instead, people saw the option for Safari in Software Update, installed it, deliberately went to use it, and (at least for the short term) are continuing to use it in significant numbers - exactly as Apple intended.

Apple wasn't targeting the folks who are already smart enough to download and use an alternative web browser. Apple's real target here was Windows users who don't really know that "the internet" is something they can get to without clicking on that blue "e" icon - the everyday Windows users who would never browse the web with anything other than IE unless given a gentle nudge.

So relax Mozilla people, Apple is promoting their more standards-compliant web browser to get people off that archaic Microsoft browser. This is a *good* thing for web standards, it will *help* Mozilla in the long run. Mozilla lost a lot of respect from me with their childish reaction to Apple's tactics on this.

And as you can guess from MDN not reporting Mac OS share and Safari browser share this month - yes, these are declining.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5

Paraphrasing the usual MDN Take to describe the current trend:
As always, the actual percentage numbers are not as important as the trends shown. The trend shows Apple descending.

correction 'share trend' not 'share':
And as you can guess from MDN not reporting Mac OS share and Safari browser share trends this month - yes, these are declining.

May 01, 08 - 11:43 am Comment from: Cubert

@little man,
No. Version 2 was the Windoze beta. Version 3 was primetime.

Were I still employed with the Feds (I left after 30 years), I wouldn't be *allowed* to install this. At the Service, only IE was permitted under Windows. Now I install what I want. Very liberating.

I tried Safari 3 for about a week and couldn't take it. I went back to Firefox 3 afterwards. About the only good thing I could find about it was that it did a much better job blocking pop-ups. Everything else was either inferior or still required some debugging.

@Anders

I looked at the OS share report, and the trend from the previous few months shows OS X and iPhone more or less flat - not declining, as you indicate.

April's numbers are, at this point, a statistical anomaly. If May's numbers are similar to April's, then we have a trend. But currently, we don't.

MW: looked, as in yes, I actually looked.

May 01, 08 - 12:08 pm Comment from: s

@Anders

May be many Windows users were liberated by Safari for Windows and now surfing on internet more than ever...

@racecar

Firefox is full of bugs and was hard to use..... (see how we feel?)

Give us some content, what about Safari needs debugging? what is inferior? Examples please.

Safari is the best, period.

@fatal
I had a lot of issues with pages using JavaScript. For instance, There is a page that I do some college coursework on that just wouldn't function. I had to switch back to Firefox to get it functioning correctly.

I had issues when I visited certain sites where text would overlap, unintentionally, with images (the one major time was when I visited Adobe.com). This incident seemed somewhat isolated. It would bug out on my work computer, but not on my home computer. Still, it was consistent.

There's no drop-down navigation menu. This may just seem like individual preference (and perhaps it is), but those of us used to navigating with it in BOTH IE and Firefox are left wanting.

In a lot of cases I found the fonts to be a little strange. Fuzzy.

Every time I right-click to open a link in a new tab/window, it highlights the whole link. What for?

For all the talk of people's Firefox bugs, I must never be doing the same things as they are. I never seem to come across them, the exception being when I'm using the beta versions like I am right now. Even still, I have a much better browsing experience.

The funny thing is, I actually like using Safari when I'm on a Mac. For some reason, the experience just isn't the same on Windows.

May 01, 08 - 01:48 pm Comment from: qka

What a useless graph!

OK, the lowest data value is 0.

And the highest? There's no value at all.

The graph was probably done in Numbers - looks good, but is useless!

May 01, 08 - 02:12 pm Comment from: informed

I wouldn't run around gloating over this.

"impressive" is not a word that would be used to describe this.

May 01, 08 - 02:23 pm Comment from: smyhre

@racecar

I can see a few JavaScript problems but not what you are discribing. I've always have it work.

I've had no problems with webpages in Safari for windows unless of course the page isn't standards compliant.

I can see how the drop down navigation would be helpful but then again I'm use to typing until the autocomplete shows the right address so It's no big deal to me.

As for the smoothing of text I love it always hated those small, thin, pixelated, and basically unrendered letters in widows how IE and FireFox show them. Now I can actually see the text how it was meant to be, yay. Then again I'm a web designer I love it to look how I designed it and no different. Fonts and font smoothing for windows, in my opinion, need serious help.

@Cubert - Thanks!

3 is triple 1. Not sure it's much to brag about it.

May 01, 08 - 08:04 pm Comment from: shen

wow, look at those platform stats. Soon the iPhone will outpass linux installs......

May 01, 08 - 08:30 pm Comment from: shen

errrr "surpass" Linux also.

Remind me not to type after driving all day......

So that means like 3 people use Safari on windows now?

May 02, 08 - 12:28 am Comment from: ken1w

See... it's working. Well worth a bit of criticism, especially when the critics were giving Apple free publicity about Safari for Windows.