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Sweetums, I'll take two.

uh... that better not be the size of the new full-screen iPod.

Headline is a bit misleading.....

This will pose and interesting challenge for case makers.

I really like the Ncase iPod cases with teh cover over the click wheel that still allows it to be used.

That Newton II looks good.

Are those oompa loompa hands?



...doompa dee dune... I have an iPod that's better than Zune...

Big Al,

That label (Newton II) is like a curse.

Shame on you.

This must be the new 10" ipod Steve Jobs was talking about on his podcast.

I don't have any fingers so I'll have to pass on this one.

Another iPod? Is that the best that Apple can do? Who is going to spend $1000 for an iPod? As usual, only the rich can afford Apple products...the normal middle class is left out in the cold. I'll be interested when Apple starts innovating again and stops selling exploding batteries and iPods that kill people. Guess we will have to wait for Microsoft Vista and Zune to get innovation back into the market. Maybe then Apple can actually product a product that is affordable and doesn't kill people.

Looks like more of a flash based notebook.

I don't know, I think people like the feedback that comes from physically touching something. It's less work as one can look elsewhere.

It’s obvious that these “revelations” are nothing more than those Etch-a-Sketch-quality illustrations that have been circulating the web for months. What’s next, MDN, scanned images of napkins with hastily drawn cartoon characters?

Either thats a child modelling, or that's one huuuuge iPod.

Ummm.... Apple's lost it here - the Nano is super popular because it's so small and thin. 10" isn't portable. The PSP isn't quite portable enough, which is one reason for its commercial failure next to the Gameboy series. It's why the DS Lite is vastly outselling the original DS, and it's why the GBA Advance clamshell was more popular than the handheld.

4" diagonal screen in 16:9 format would be the max for portable IMHO.

Um, that's not an iPod. That's a Mac OS X client running iTunes.

well, if Apple doesn't patent it someone will sue them later.

For everyone worried about the dimensions of the iPod in the sketch, just look at Apple's history of patent submissions. A lot of iPod patent submissions, even recent ones use the first generation iPod to illustrate the innovation.

Why would Apple show actual dimensions on something that is publicly available to its competitors. The dimensions aren't important at this stage of the game.

nonarkitten: they're not displaying it to scale for christ's sake. they're displaying it so its large enough for the viewer to see the 'virtual scroll wheel' in action. they're patenting the interface, not the exact dimensions of a particular device. when they're actually patenting a device, they'll add the exact dimensions and make it to scale.

macrealist: every comment that you type is ridiculous, and it makes me laugh!

People, get a grip. MDN opened a can of worms here when they used that title for the article; it is misleading indeed.

This isn't "revealing" anything, but a patent, and a patent doesn't always equate with a real product. Apple is working on something, but we won't know what it is until it's released.

I agree with the comment about using the iPod without having to look at it. If Apple does come out with such a product, I think the scrollwheel will be available anywhere on the screen and simply moving your finger in a circular motion will activate it.

MDN, please be more considerate of your readers. This is not an iPod being revealed, until the iPod itself is revealed.

Maczealot: "It’s obvious that these “revelations” are nothing more than those Etch-a-Sketch-quality illustrations that have been circulating the web for months. What’s next, MDN, scanned images of napkins with hastily drawn cartoon characters?"

Well, RTFA man. It's an illustration from an Apple patent application. So two things:

1) that's a typical illustration used for patent purposes - enough to illustrate the idea without giving away the whole show;

2) it's an official document submitted by Apple to the Patent Office. Therefore, it has a lot better provenance than a pretty CGI render by somebody with Maya.

But I agree with some of the other posters. Some form of physical feedback is desirable, and the illustration looks more like a tablet-format controller for running iTunes, probably through a AirTunes enabled WiFi network. Sort of an equivalent to the Sonos controller.

That said, it wouldn't be hard to migrate this technology to an iPod-sized player. My main concern then would be durability and battery life.

This should allow an unbreakable glass (or other scratch resistant material) panel to be placed in front of the LCD screen to avoid scratches. Since the finger wont reallly need to touch the LCD but only the glass in front of it it should provide feedback and not smudge (much).

It's not a 'patent' yet. This is from a published application. Thus, it's still pending.

That looks more like a tablet than an iPod, which would bo perfectly fine to me. Notice the interface looks a lot like iTunes. Perhaps a tablet that will control a media device?

Why are they talking iPod when clearly this is an Apple tablet?

I'm pretty sure it's not drawn to scale. If memory serves, they do it that way a lot.

MacRealist, what the hell are you going on about??!!

MW: Point - As in "What is the point of your mindless rumbling?"

People, do you think before you post? (MacRealist, it's obvious that you don't, so don't bother typing "no"). The size of the device isn't important. What's being patented is what's important, and thus the device is featured at a scale that allows the patent to be seen. DUH!

A Zune killer -- well, actually a Zune abortionist.

Maybe I don't get it, but Mac Realist was kidding, wasn't he (or she)? Surely, no one could come out with such nonsense otherwise.

No one uderstands satire anymore....

MacRealist, lets be friends.

OK, for a brief moment I thought Sputnik was back.

Perhaps this is something that is geared towards a movie download service through iTunes. Which, incidently points to another mildly annoying issue - the name iTunes. Over the years iTunes has morphed into an app that no longer deals solely with songs, so much so that its almost become a joke. Managing all the media within a large iTunes library can be a little cumbersome despite smartfolders and the search bar. Adding movies to the equation compounds the problems. Perhaps Apple has also been working on a new sister app to separate the movies, TV shows, e-books, pdfs etc and ensure that iTunes remains devoted to audio.

A tablet, flash-based media unit might very well have a market. Sit it on your desk at work, or on your beside table, even give it to the kids for that next road-trip to shut them up. Watching movies, TV shows, DVD rips, or browsing an e-book is a largely passive activity that still requires your attention. A hybrid product that fills this niche would be typical of Apple - not necessarily first to market, but able to do it better than all others. Combine this with everything they've learnt from the iTunes experience, their focus on home users and the opportunity to grab even more of the publics attention and mindshare, and perhaps we might be onto something. And, all of this wrapped up in a gorgeous, Iveian package with a touchless screen to-boot - sweeeeet.

Now think about its future roadmap...

Ahh, I love fanciful dreams at 2.20am. Just my 2 cents.

Hey, It's most likely not an iPod but rather a new pocket type Mac. Or even a tablet Mac not a new iPod too big. Looks cool, the new iTab.

I dunno. How realistic is this "hover your finger over the screen" idea? How close do you have to be? If you're holding the iPod with one hand and "hovering" with the other, you'd need pretty steady hands not to touch the screen.

Apple patents don't always turn into something viable. Remember the "color-changing case" patent?

First: this could easily be marketed as a "iPod" (vPod?) - even though it's quite obviously a "tablet". Steve's neat little 4-sector plan would be ruined if this were released as a "Mac". Use iPod technology, include the basic iPod software (and more), and you have a valid claim to the name.
Second: that isn't the size or shape. How can I know that? Because Apple wouldn't do that unless it had to. And it doesn't have to. Expect the shape to be 16x9 rather than the suggested 4X3 - showing movies and reading would be good - and no more than 10" diagonal. Having used the 5" screen on an Osbourne 1, I can assure you that an 8" to 10" screen would work just fine.
Third (etc): It won't be called a "Newton".
It may well be priced between the top iPod ($399) and the bottom Mac ($599).
It's market would be folks with 'luggage' - commuters, college students and road warriors.
Yeah, and you can expect WiFi built in. And expensive cases.

Seems obvious enough, once enough clues are dropped not-so-subtly about the landscape.

(chuckle)
It will be the "iPod video" and feature a dual-core version of the standard iPod processor, twice the RAM to deal with video buffering, and a 128 MB GPU.
(/chuckle)

Did I miss any techie buzz-words in there? Oh ... and it will fry eggs.
(yes, too much time on my hands today)

You are all missing something big...

The patent is for a technology that doesn't require the user to physicaly touch any controls of the device.

This technology can be applied to any size screen but it will definitely have to be bigger the the current screen size of the iPods to make it useable.

So, lets say the screen of the largest iPod is doubled in size. Now with that much screen size on an iPod, it can handle many more things...

even work as PDA device

It already plays music, video, has a calendar, adress book. And if rumors are correct it will sport a touchless interface. Would it be much more to add support for applications that can work with both Macs and PCs.

This will be a killer product.

bjr, you can only fit a 4" screen on the face of the current iPod. You can't see much of your iTunes screen in that small a space and you certainly can't get a good view of a movie (or even a tv show) in that small a space. I said I've used an Osbourne 1 with its 5" screen, I didn't say it was an exceptional user experience.

Certainly, this is likely to be one of their plans for it - a 4" screen on an otherwise little-changed iPod. But it seems as likely this will help them venture into tablet and movie territory as well - with at least an 8" screen.

I read the patent application. I didn't see it as touchless, but rather as your finger approaches it senses it so it can pull up the correct overlay: such as a scrollwheel, or magnified buttons so that fingers could in essence touch very small objects. It also showed pulling up a typing keypad overlayed over the screen. This would expand the PDA possibilities a lot. Up till now, could not enter data (except song ratings). Move your finger to touch an input field, and it pulls up a typing keypad with a cursor inserted into the field. Cool!

Something bigger might be nice for certain more or less static uses, but the advantage of any portable music/video player is small form factor and light weight(a few ounces).

I am interested in a bigger screened iPod-but assuming for a moment this is actually the size and not an out of scale drawing-then I'm not interested at all in an "iPod" this big.

Remember,

All this is based on speculation and rumor. Apple could well introduce new larger iPod form factor. This would change everything.

We should know something in about 2 weeks.

The main problem I see with something like this being used with the iPod is that you'll pretty much have to look at the screen when making adjustments; with the 5G iPod you can tell by feel where you are when it's in a case. I can tell when I'm on the click wheel which makes it easy to adjust volume, forward through tracks etc.; the only time I have to take the case off my belt is to change playlists.

I could see this possibly working with a PDA style device, perhaps one that held some audio or even video files, like downloading the previous night's "Nightline" or the morning news reports to watch/listen to while on your morning train commute.

MW=poor; IMNSHO, an iPod would be a poor use of touch-screen technology...