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For him to even comment, especially something like that, is smalllllllllllll

The most envy and rich dumb ass in the world ... guess ........

Who's Bill Gates? Is it a type of food?

Yup - bad form in any PR/media situation to react to questions about how a competitor is being perceived with anything other than with something about your own product. Just adds fuel to the fire of the competitor. In this case, it's a good thing, because little Billy got caught with his guard down. This'll come back to haunt him in about 18 months from now, assuming the timing doesn't change...

MDN, you really crack me up somtimes. Keep it up.

Just take your virus and stick it in there and see if it runs...

That's so funny I forgot to guffaw.

Um, is it just me that realizes that what gates said is actually more or less true? First of all, the majority of applications DON'T run on apples. The crucial ones usually run on both, but there are many that do not. The number of software titles that run on apple but not on PCs is much smaller (mainly first party apps). Second, apple IS the super small market share guy. I don't see the second comment as particularly negative; it's just the truth.

Funny, I thought the super small market share guy only had 2% market share less than 6 months ago. Now it's 4% and gaining fast!

"the super-small market share guy."

Is this Bill's way of saying to Steve: "Come on Steve, lets have a real dog fight here. Your making great products that most people seem to ignore (iPod being the exception). You're not agressive enough Steve. When I come out with Longhorn I won't be fooling around. Most people don't want to buy an Apple computer, they want to run Windows. You can't hide from the numbers Steve. Is the iPod going to be the last great thing Apple does?"

but he's letting it show!

Amazing times.

And I guess he should be scared, if awareness of OS X has gotten so good that the issue came up at all!

Not scared for 2005... but for 2010? Terrified.

Yeah... I'm on a Mac and all my applications run....
My friends on Windows are always returning software because it will not run on their systems...

It's really strange that he even commented on Apple. Also, bigger is not always better.

FYI, there are a lot of crappy Windows based applications that don't work very well on a Wintel box.

Well, Steve has been talking smack for a while.. and Windows is open architecture.. so there's your marketshare... I'm pretty sure, later on in the interview, Gates talked about all the money they're making of Mac Office 2004

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets//gates-interview-part-two-windows-postlonghorn-and-apples-office-suite-029272.php

I wonder what it feels like to be constantly fighting with your customers, developing new ways to get them to 'upgrade' to a 4 year old OS, as the vast vast majority of Windows users are still content to write essays and check email on WIn 98 or 2000.

To see Mac users lining up all around the world, must be puzzling, after all.. Apple doesn't even write software, do they? I thought they were the iPod Company...

"Applications"? Hmm... I seem to remember those things. Weren't they important back in the days before open standards, before everything ran everywhere?

Okay... We're not there yet. But that's the way the tide is turning.

"Super-small". Yeh-hesss.

Listen, I've seen Bill Gates in de locker room. This guy shouldn't be talking about "small". Know what I mean?

"Micro"? "Soft"? "Super-SMALL"? Hey, I keed, but I'm beginning to see a pattern. No seriously -- Bill is "small" enough . . .

. . . for me to POOP on!!!!

Now if only he would allow himself to watch The Incredibles (You KNOW it's good Bill) maybe he could learn a little bit from Syndrome.

"You can always tell if you're working on a Mac or a PC. Just take your applications and stick them in there and see if they run."

I guess all Bill's apps are on floppies. Nice to know, though, that he's still trying to stuff them into Macs.

Apple is currently working on Windows versions of the iLife software suite. They will hold off selling iLife for Windows until Longhorn is released to see if their market share has risen significantly or not. If market share has not increased enough, iLife for Windows will go on sale. Special academic discounts will be made for schools who will be the biggest users of these digital media apps including GarageBand. iLife for Windows will be the next big thing from Apple. Apple will no longer ignore the 10's of millions of Windows users who will have decided by the time Longhorn ships whether they will buy a Mac or not. Apple will expand the "Apple on Windows" experience and reap the rewards they justly deserve.

Slowwwwwwwwwwwww news day MDN?

Insider,

If Mac market share isn't satisfactory, Jobs won't do small potatoes as you describe. He'll drop the X-bomb on Bill. Mac OS X for x86. Let's see if Gates finds that funny.

how 'small market share guy...just stick in apps to see if they run' drew uproarious laughter from the journalists is beyond comprehension.

Unless he was handing out wads of money while he was talking..

bill, your jokes were lame in high school; they're lame now

oooh blah. Yeah, maybe on a mac you can ONLY find 1-5 GREAT applications for everything you need, namely the iLife suite, Final Cut Pro, etc.... Lets say that yeah, I only have 20 Apps (all apple software + Office + Photoshop etc...) I would rather have 20 GREAT apps than the 100,000 crappy ones available for windows. The only reason they have so many apps is because there arent any great ones that stand out. Im buying a t-shirt btw!

Lucky for me I don't use any Microsoft software. At least Apple and Steve Jobs live in the real world and the Mac OS works and dosen't look like it should be put in a Museum.

It's kind of pathetic that the "richest man" in the world is so poor in the things that should matter. What a character!

Wish he had something more Earth shattering and inspiring to say to a crowd than his typical derogatory bullshit.

BTW, their recent quarterly profit was way above Wall Street expectations. When you collect a 'cpu tax' from 90%+ of computer users and don't improve your crap for 7 years, you tend to break profit records. You go Bill!

"You can always tell if you're working on a Mac or a PC. Just take your applications and stick them in there and see if they run."


Bill has a pretty good test here. It has been my experience that things work on a mac... In the PC (windows) world things crash all the time and if they do work, don't do it well.

If I want some frustration I can run windows apps in VPC ... if I want to feel like a real geek, I can boot up in Linux. If I want to work, I use Tiger... Hum...

Yulp... Bill you got this one right. It is not a very good advert for the Windows computer market... but you got it right.

This is just tit for tat. Jobs makes fun of Gates and Windows, then the latter returns fire and has a go at the former and Apple. Boring stuff.

Let's see what can I do that's more interesting…I know what I'll do I'll go to sleep. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

(Several hours later.)

Oh one our nationals was just kidnapped by some Iraqis; now that got my attention.

"Um, is it just me that realizes that what gates said is actually more or less true? First of all, the majority of applications DON'T run on apples."

Bisabuelo,

First of all it's "Macs", not "apples", and I presume that you're including malware, adware and spyware in the "majority of applications" to which you refer. If not, you should, and I for one am damned glad that they don't run on Macs.

Maybe if he'd finished Harvard the guy would be able to speak like a literate person? Could be!

And as for Gates' comments, so what? He has to say something to show that he's not concerned with Tiger possibly damaging Longhorn's chances in the market. It's called "whistling in the dark." The sense I get, what with the baffling marketing campaign around WinXP, is that Microsoft is in full damage control mode. I do feel a smidgen of an iota of sympathy for them, but only an idiot would discount Microsoft's marketing prowess. These people could sell porn mags to a blind man.

On my Mac I can run OS X applications AND UNIX applications. Sorry Windowers, that makes for a LOT MORE of the whole lot of crappy Windows only stuff you can put on your floppies.

Gates is rich but rather ignorant. He still does not get that OS X is Unix and the ballpark of applications that can run on OS X just puny the little number (relatively speaking) of sw titles on Windows.

Was that his best attempt at being funny? Wow, that's sad. The first time I read it, I thought, "Wow, he just paid Apple a big compliment saying that things just work on a Mac as opposed to his crappy OS." After a few more times I got it. Uhh, good one Bill.

Don, that was spot on! (Now if only he would allow himself to watch The Incredibles (You KNOW it's good Bill) maybe he could learn a little bit from Syndrome.)

Bubba, what is your problem?

Bill Gates, you are starting to crack my man, and what's on the inside ain't pretty.

And another thing: "The overwhelming consensus was that Tiger was far and away the best consumer operating system available now, with Microsoft not expected to match it in features in Windows until the end of 2006 at the earliest in its 'Longhorn' system," Bajak reports."

I think people are being very generous saying that Longhorn will "match" Tiger when (if) it comes out. They may share a COUPLE of similar features (if Longhorn ever sees the light of day) but, let's not forget, it's still gonna be Windows. I mean come on. You can put a cat in the oven, but that don't make it a biscuit.

Insider,

I agree with you there. S.Jobs tends to be cautious in such matters - and with good reason. It'll probably be iLife before OS X.

MDN Take = :D

In a world without fences and walls, who needs Gates and Windows?

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My Mac can go all the way up to XI

The M$ response to everything these days seems to be, "yes, but we have market share".

Apple has a superior OS = yes, but we have market share
Windows full of viruses = yes, but we have market share
Windows a pile of crap = yes, but we have market share

Not really compelling arguments to stay with the Windows platform going forward .... Gates sounds hassled. Clearly Tiger superiorty has got to him. Excellent.

Two ways of looking at this…

As a platform, the overall marketshare for MacOS on a quarter by quarter basis is relatively small. However these numbers aren't subtle enough to show two things, a) how many Macintosh systems are actually installed and running and b) how many user/choosers choose MacOS over Windows.

The former is important, because Wintel sales are distorted by an inferior obsolescence record which leads to more Wintel boxes being used for landfill quicker than their Macintosh contemporaries, and the latter is important because Wintel sales are further distorted by the 'herd' mentality in business that - for reasons passing understanding - says that nobody ever got fired for buying Windows.

And the other perspective is that, as a manufacturer, Apple was only marginally behind IBM (50,000 units) in US unit shipments in the last quarter, and - with the success of the Mac mini - there is every possibility that Apple could break into the number 4 position before the end of the year. If Apple land up finishing the year as a bigger manufacturer than IBM and possibly Gateway, Bill's comment is going to come back and bite him in the ass.

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Um, is it just me that realizes that what gates said is actually more or less true? First of all, the majority of applications DON'T run on apples. The crucial ones usually run on both, but there are many that do not. The number of software titles that run on apple but not on PCs is much smaller (mainly first party apps). Second, apple IS the super small market share guy. I don't see the second comment as particularly negative; it's just the truth.


I COULD SAY THAT YOU TRY AND STICK A WINDOWS APP ON A MAC AND IT WONT WORK.

BILL'S STATEMENT APPLIES TO BOTH OS's.

Pop-unders seem to have disappeared with Tiger, but I now have irritating audio clips playing each time I tab to MDN.

What's going on? And I have checked that it's not Bill G.

John

MW = Medical. Do I need one or what?

You can always tell that you are working on a PC or a Mac by counting the number of times the computer:
- crashes
- is infected by a virus
- doesn't do what you commanded it to do
- has to be taken into a "geek squad" center to have it serviced in the previous 3 months
- has to have the OS re-installed to get your computer up and running again
- displays an alert window asking you to upgrade
- displays an alert window warning you of a possible security risk when doing anything with your computer.
- displays an alert window asking you to purchase something
- prompts you to ask "what the f#$k?!"
- forces you to pound your desk in frustration
- raises your blood pressure simply by using it

Note 1: Notice how MS has decided to use IBM PowerPC chip in their new version of the XBox gaming console. Hmmm, the same chips that have powered EVERY Macintosh computer made since 1994.

Note 2: Have you noticed the new MS "START" Windows XP tv ads that prompt you to purchase software that runs on Windows which strangely is promoting what? A new version of Windows XP? No! A new peice of hardware? No!

Some company should create their own ads that ask viewers to choose a platform that simply "STARTS" and "WORKS" the way you want it to.

Can you smell the fear out in Redmond?

Enjoy,
Dan

Keyword: Value, as in value something that actually works!

My company dumped its last Windows PC a few months ago, and is an "all Mac" business now. We purchased our first Mac OSx machine in March, 2002 and have not looked back since.

The vast majority of our clients still run Windows, and we have no problems doing business with them and exchanging files.

Our first OSx machine - an original 800mhz flat screen iMac - has been purring away for over three years now with no trouble, no data loss, no viruses and never even a re-boot needed.

All our other Macs are just as solid.

We never have any downtime. It's like a dream come true for those of us who used to spend hours and hours and hours babysitting the vulnerable and unstable Windows systems.

Apple Mac OSx. It just works.

Thank you, Apple.

Note 2: Have you noticed the new MS "START" Windows XP tv ads that prompt you to purchase software that runs on Windows which strangely is promoting what? A new version of Windows XP?

Yup. For most people... XP is new. Most people are still hanging out in Win98 land with the almighty teal green background. The only reason new features are added to XP at all (SP2) is to encourage people to actually get Windows XP...

I was trying to think of something witty to say, but then I realized how many people I know who are totally sick of Windows and are passing around copies of Linux.

BTW, they don't miss Clippy.

Market Share - Market Share - Market Share....

I fail to see how a ton of manure is more valuable than a pound of gold.

mccfr -

which would explain how online stats show mac's have 15% of the market share


brought to by the magic word ahead ie apple's ahead of the times as always

Yes, it's true. Bill saw the real problem of Apple... sorry, but it's true!

Mac guy's since 1984

John Crawford

Scroll down. It's that super-annoying advert for mobile ringtones. For some reason, it briefly plays to show its loaded, then waits for your mouse pointer to cross it before playing again.

I think this is a "feature" of the more-compatible Safari, since I don't get that ad at all on the machine I've left running Panther.

What about the end user, Bill?? Huh? Is marketshare so important that you forgot about the end user and their experience using your crap?

Why are you even commenting about 4% if so tiny a market share is not important?? I'll tell you why...it's because Apple's 4% has kicked
your pretend technology asses up and down for years and years.
You lie awake at night and think about it...it haunts you every day...you will never have any satisfaction with Apple beating you to the punch each and every day. What else can you possibly say anymore except for market share?? All the misconceptions have been put out to pasture where the Longhorns graze.

BTW, the Apple Store's down. New iMacs today perhaps?