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at this rate if they back off any more from what longhorn is supposed to be it will be a downgrade from the current windows.

Nothing to see here, Move along.

Magic word 'police' Hmmmm!

Any dump Gates works hard at squeezing out would clearly an improvement on Windows.

MDN Magic Word: "behind" - no shit!

longhorn!? yoo hoo, longhorn! where are you? probably hiding in shame from tiger - or even panther. really any OS X version. just another reason to switch i guess. seems like m$ is spending more time in cutting features than in dev.

The revolution is over. Bill knows he lost, though he'll never admit it publicly. As with most revolutions, the triggering change occurs well before the mass shift which signifies change. But the change is inevitable...

Move along...

Kip is singing to Lafawnduh after they are pronounced husband and wife
Kip: Why do you love me? Why do you need me? Always and forever... We met in a chatroom, now our love can fully bloom... Sure the world wide web is great, but you, you make my salivate... I love technology, but not as much as you, you see... But I STILL love technology... Always and forever. Our love is like a flock of doves, flying up to heaven above... always and forever, always and forever... Why do you need me? Why do you love me? Always and forever...

Longhorn? Cowppatties. Anti-piracy tool. Developers, developers, developers, developers.

Magic word "theres" strikes a blow for poor spellers.

I thought the longhorn was an endangered species. that would explain why its hard to find.

Microsoft can't get a break, can they? - Not that I really care.

Between their current position in the Digital Music arena and rumors of Apple and the (currently) unrealized potential of the Mac mini, I have to wonder if Billy G is scared.

Longwait....crushed by Tiger.

If the rumors about Apple in Video services is true...

not to mention 'Apple + Sony' (who knows)...

We could expect:
Portable Media Centers...killed by iPod AV (Creative declares war yet again)

Media Center PC's...killed by the one-two Combo of Apple and Sony set-top boxes

As well as VOD (Video-on-Demand) services provided by Apple (a QuickTime Movie Store, if you will).

The golden (more like sh*t-brown) age of Windows is about to hit the fan.

Pun intended.

mooooooooo.

magic word: use
use OSX. use a premium user experience. use your brains. get a mac.

YES! thanks macnut....

I never liked any of the "i" names people had for an apple movie store. QuickTime Movie Store sounds great to me....and it makes sense, Quicktime plays the movies anyways, why add another app? Just put a browser/store in quicktime

idiots. Really. It amazes me....no...it really doesn't....It is kind of depressing when you realize how stupid people really are.
When Longhorn is finally released, the PC world will jump for joy...not realizing that it is just a quick fix...and probably be less secure than NT..if that's even possible.

Hey magic word losers....why do you continue to do this?

It was funny the first 3000 times.

RJ

Well, we know what isn't shipping in Longhorn.

No WinFS
The Indigo communications sub-system heavily pruned.
The Avalon graphics sub-system pruned from the original lofty claims.

So, out of [B]FOUR[/B] key areas of "improvement", the only one that is likely to really make it out of the gate is the so-called "Fundamentals" pillar comprising of really user-focussed stuff like core power management, driver management, application installation/deployment and digital rights management.

Windows XP shipped in 2001, so the net improvement of [B]FIVE[/B] years development effort for what will ultimately be Windows XP 2.00 will be the ability to wake from sleep, the ability to not have your drivers create a BSOD, some new doohickeys to help you click Setup.exe, and some stuff that helps MS out in its relationships with the entertainment industry.

Well, I'm sold…

Magic word is "Alone". You may use this word in the following sentence: "If you use Windows, you're never [B]alone[/B] in the pain and suffering that you have to endure every moment of your miserable life."

I would be shocked if Longhorn comes anywhere near Jaguar... Tiger will easily put it to shame... plus who knows what else Apple has planned in the time between Tiger and the release of Longhorn.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Steve must be loving this.

Jack A
Are you an Aussie bloke?

"I'm really mad, this is outragoues! How could this be going on? The Machintosh taking over. They have iTunes, iMovie HD, Final Cut Pro HD, Shake, Motion, Garageband, iPhoto and what have I created? Winblows!! and everybody is soon going to figure out it was all a scam, How am I'm going to fix this."

Quoted from Bill Gates CNN.com has the article front page.

I was playing around earlier and dropped a .mov file onto iTunes. It displayed a black box in the album art box but would play the audio from the file. I could convert the audio to AAC also. It's an interesting way to extract the audio from certain files. I was hoping that since you can watch trailers in iTMS that I might be able to do something similar with local QT files.
Oh well, hopefully soon enough...

Of course "current Internet search-engine technology is a joke". That is why everyone uses Google.

How about Internet Explorer is a joke? It does not offer half the features of modern browsers like Safari and Firefox.

I hope Google continues to dominate as the search engine of choice on the Internet. Microsoft's supposed improvement on search engines would most likely be less accesible to everyone who is not using Internet Explorer on Windows.

The thing going for Google, in the masses eyes, is brand recognition. When you want to find something, "Google it", no one is going to "Search.msn.com it"!!! People associate google with searching and M$ with OS (but even that is going too become more questionable as Apple becomes more synonymous with OS (as in OS X). M$ has been far too complacent in their offerings for the past 4 years. All they've seemed to do is repurpose their OS and brand it as a tablet or media version and try to sell it to a different market. And now to announce that the long awaited Longhorn is going too be merely and update to XP? They might as well start rebuilding Virtual PC because that's going to be the only thing they'll be able to sell by the end of '06!!!

IS this a joke?

Microsoft with all it's billions can't even create a new OS!

Unbelievable!!!

This is soooo embarrasing for them!!!

All these corporations that use windows must be shiting themselves - the great Redmond can't deliver a usable product!!!

I think Microsoft are at the end of their monopoly, their time has been and gone - they are too big a corporate monster to do anything new or innovative.

Look at the facts:

- Internet explorer is losing global market share like a boat with holes in it

- Windows has inherant serious security flaws and surfing the net on a windows pc is like playing russian roulette

- M$ haven't come up with anything new fot 10 years

- Their software products lack any sort of seamless compatibility with the hardware manufacturers that they choose to work with

- The company employs too many high paid 'executives' that do not add anything to the company's bottom line

Weighing all this up, M$ are too big to be effective in the computer industry.

When they have gone, when asked if people remember M$ all they will think is 'didn't they write that business software?... What was it called again... oh yes... Office"

And who is the Microsoft software architect that didn't recognize Internet search as something important, thus letting Google take the lead? And whic architect did not have a good handle on technology such that MS promised "radical changes" in Longhorn when there was no way it could be done?

That architect should be fired. If I was an MS shareholder, I'd say management's vision is clearly at fault.

>MDN's misTake: "Of course, Gates doesn't mention Apple's Spotlight search technology..."

You've got to be an idiot to think the number one software company in the world is going to mention its competitors at every turn.

MDN, c'mon fellas, word your commentary better. At least think about what you say before you publish anything

Not all of us accept all MS-bashing & Apple-praising as gospel-truth. Most Apple users do, but not all. Some of us actually have minds of our own.

Mac & PC Guy
5 Powermac boxes
2 Windows boxes

Hasn't little Billy been promising that M$ will release an OS with "better features in 2 to 3 years" for the last ten or fifteen years?

Vaporware, indeed...

So what if Google took the lead in search? Windows is an operating system and not a search engine. Would be nice if Bill could come to grips with this and focus on making a better operating system and not controlling the world.

This pretty much says it all. Bill who?

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000416.html

You don't need to put quotes around the names of Apple's OSes.

It's Mac OS X Tiger. Mac OS X Panther.

Look at their website.

A Joke this and declacering War there. The massa' s on their desks have to continue working with that shadow-rich company ! How long(horn) ?

MOOoo!

Longhorn BBQ at my place!

Microsoft may be a joke, but what's the bet that search technology will be embedded in their "new" OS - like in the browser but linking to the M$ search engine ... 95% of Windows' users will say "How convenient!" and use it ... If I was Google I'd be just a little nervous giving the propensity of BG to build "features" right into the OS that mysteriously lock out third parties ...

MDN Magic Word "held" as in, "Remember when Netscape held the lead in the browser wars?"

I'm Ron Jeremy too but not the Ronnie type. Gates rules the neverworld.

re: Pete

If Microsoft do that then they are gonna keep getting their asses sued until they stop!

Simple as that.

Just as well the European have got the balls to sue them - the USA is a joke in dealing with Microsoft (that's no surprise considering the amount of money and jobs they bring into the USA economy and the fact that 'Billy' Gates is so far up George Bush's Ass that he can say hello through George's mouth!)

Why am I not surprised!!

Solar Flare.. I've read some pretty intelligent posts from you, but eh.. sorry man.....

IE losing share like a boat with holes in it? IE lost like 3%...

Since when has technical superiority ever factored into MS's monopoly with WIndows?!

Windows is about giving developers the best opportunity to make money. That means open architecture. I'm not a MSoftie, but I can at least admit that from a business standpoint, MS's game is to build the platform and let the developers promote it/strengthen it.

Get it?

MS doesn't have to advertise it's own stuff.. the developers do that. It's called De Facto Standard profit.

From the zilch in advertising costs, you make a pretty sweet profit margin.

Bill Gates isn't scared of Apple for the same reason Apple wasn't scared of MS back in the 90's... they think their fortress is perfect.

Things are going to get interesting when the people start using their iPods to carry around their entire HD's in their pockets. The client/terminal will be basically moot point. The technology is already available, but once people start really using it things are going to get very interesting for the guys who make the iPod

PS. Bill Gates still assumes they'll win in Digital Media.

Solar Flare,

Well said.

Longhorn is a joke. MS IS a joke. Someone needs to make clothing that says "Longhorn. 10 years of work, and all we got was this lousy t-shirt!".

IMO MS should scrap Longhorn altogether, and just stick with maintaining XP. What was "Longhorn" has degenerated into a 0.1-level XP update, and should be marketed as such.

Solar Flare,

Well said.

Longhorn is a joke. MS IS a joke. Someone needs to make clothing that says "Longhorn. 10 years of work, and all we got was this lousy t-shirt!".

IMO MS should scrap Longhorn altogether, and just stick with maintaining XP. What was "Longhorn" has degenerated into a 0.1-level XP update, and should be sold as such.

Mike:

I already carry around my hard drive on my ipod!

My whole mac user profile is on it - along with fonts, updates etc etc.

I know several people who do this too - all because the ipod play music does not mean that you only have to use it for music.

Because my job involves moving around the country from mac to mac I carry it around with me everywhere.

I can't wait for Apple to have portable profiles in .mac.

In my opinion if you use a mac for professional use you NEED .mac.

I can transfer file onto my idisk and access them on any windows or mac pc.

Gates also gave an interview to the BBC. Interesting only for the way he doesn't actually answer the questions, especially about security issues, but just keeps parrotting the company line...
Part 1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4195177.stm
Part 2 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4215183.stm

I get the impression of someone who has really lost the plot...

perfusionista:

I saw this interview on tv and I believe they call it 'Ballmer bullshit' at M$.

Ive had media training and am trained to deal with reporters, journalists etc and there are standard 'tactics' for dealing with 'awkward' questions.

One of the standard techniques I learned was called the 'recoché'. This technique involves you answering a question by asking a question back at the guy aking questions at you.

Another is called 'the sniper' which involves answering the question precisley BUT giving them as little information as possible.

Believe me, ALL CEO's, politicians and anyone high up in a company uses these techniques every day to get what they want.

Politicians are especiallly expert at these techiques!

Dreamers!

OSX is great, but with a market share of 2%, there is no way it will ever grow to be significant. It takes a lot more than great technology, it is about marketing, media, mind-share, distribution, and price.

Bill Gates is not worried in the slightest. Apple is good, cheap R&D;for Microsoft. If Apple was serious about increasing their market share, they would be advertising and telling consumers about their unique advantages. Apple gave up years ago.

I think the most exciting thing about Tiger isn't all the search functions or extra iCandy, but basing the Mach kernel to the FreeBSD v5 code to better support multiprocessing. OSX as it stands isn't as scalable as AIX or Solaris (or even the latest Linux), thanks to the way Mach talks to the subsystems. Tiger is going to remove the limitations, leaving the way clear for Power5 based chips in Macs, dual core G4s and 4 or 8 way XServes.

In short, if you think your dual G5 is fast now, you are going to be blown away by what it can do running Tiger. With Quartz already delivering Avalon, and Spotlight delivering metadata searches, Longhorn is going to have to be bloody special to come close to Tiger.

PC's Rule-

Troll.

All Apple has to do is let MS fall on their face. A decade-long development effort that degenerates into a 0.1-level upgrade of a current product is disaster for any company. A major portion of the Wintel market was banking on the now-empty promises of Longhorn. Name ONE must-have Longhorn feature. Name ONE killer app that'll compel people to upgrade. A search-engine bar is not that feature.

Longhorn is a joke. MS is a joke. Someone needs to make clothing that says "Longhorn: 10 years of work, and all we got was this lousy t-shirt!".

People are good and sick & tired of Window's hassles, and XP 1.1 (aka Longhorn) will only deliver more of the same. Now that Longhorn is a failure, people have more reason than ever to look at Mac OS X. Apple's market share has nowhere to go but up.

Dave H. - I'm guessing you either live in BTV or Fishkill, right?

Well said mcmac!

I will certainly be laughing when (eventually) shortporn is finally released.

In usual M$ style, the final version that they will sell to their 'brainless sheep' will of course be a beta version.

All have M$'s OS releases have been betas!

Boy - why do users put up with the crap from M$???

Life is too short to spend 1 day a week making sure your windows pc is working without a virus or spyware or malware or adware etc etc.

Windows users are kidding themselves.

I work on macs in a large corporation (mainly windblowz pcs) - all the windows pc got infected with some virus that disabled all their internet access. Of course the macs were not effected in anyway whatsoever - this made me laugh soooo much and I said to the people working near me that this would NEVER happen on a mac.

The fact that the macs had total internet access and the crappy win boxes didn't make me so proud that I use macs at work!

I can't wait for the next windows virus!!

mcmac-your response to PC's Rule had me
LOL so hard i spilt coffee on my keyboard!
the emperor has no clothes...

PC's rule: the mind-game is being played out as you write your lame excuses for MS. Just read what every IT columnist is saying about Macintosh. It's all the marketing a company could ever dream of.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with some of what 'PC's Rule' had to say: "Apple is good, cheap R&D;for Microsoft"
He's right. They've been creating the technologies that M$ has been ripping off for over 2 decades!!! Steve Jobs is the best employee M$ has right about now. Honestly, what would billy and the boys do with themselves if their well being actually depended on their own innovation?

As for Apple giving up years ago... That's probably one of the most asinine statements I've read on MDN (and considering some of these trolls, is saying a lot). I suppose the iPod was a fluke and it's too bad they never advertised it *wink, wink* Apple is probably the most intelligent company I've ever witnessed in their advertising. They know they don't have to come out of the gates with a big fancy advert for new products. Let it speak for itself and when it's the right time and demand is high and stock levels are up, that's when you advertise.
Apple can tout Tiger this early because they know that there's no one that could begin to catch up to their offerings. But as far as new products go, we all know that we won't have proof of existence until Steve sings "And One More Thing..."
When was the first iPod ad ran in relation to the product actually being released?

I've been using Mac at work/school for over 7 years and I'm a very recent home switcher. I'm ashamed it's taken me this long to do it. Good riddance PC!

They had an iPod ad with jeff Goldblum when the iPod first came out. Shows an iBook, running OS X, synching iTunes to the iPod.

iPod
1000 songs in your pocket.

Sorry, I found out that it wasn't Goldblum, but rather someone that looks similar to him. See the FIRST ad here:

http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/ipod_60_480.mov

The ad came out shortly after the first generation iPod launched.