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Nov 20, 07 - 08:56 am Comment from: Hollywood North

Now that's the way to do it! There's a similar, but smaller, movement here in Canada too, trying to break the service provider monopoly.

Nov 20, 07 - 09:29 am Comment from: cptnkirk

More than 700 iPHones are sold on eBay each and every day. I'll wager that the majority of them come across the border to Canada. Pretty soon the market here will be saturated and the only thing that Rogers will get out of it will be the service contract at the reasonable rates that Apple will insist on.

Rogers thinks that it can outwait Apple and get their typicall 'robber baron' deal of ten to 20 times more htan anywhere else in the civilized world.Rogers will completely lose it when Apple unveils the 3G iPhone and gets a deal with one of Rogers' rivals. Just desserts in my book.

Yeah, lucky them! While they might not have the support of Apple behind them, at least they are free to use their phones as they choose. I guess I could get an iPhone and hack it to use on other carriers too... Where I am AT&T;connectivity SUCKS, so it would be a waste of money, not to mention that the poor amount of space on them will still require me to keep an iPod. One day tho....

Nov 20, 07 - 09:50 am Comment from: Fuzz504

Testing, testing, one, two, three....

In the UK here, and still holding out for sanity to prevail.

I do not think that it's sensible to buy the iPhone in its current state.

Edge = old tech.
3G = newer, cooler, cheaper chips around the corner.

Carrier exclusivity = feck no!

Nov 20, 07 - 10:15 am Comment from: Hg Wells

Mike T, at least you have AT&T;service, bad though it may be. In spite of rumors that have yet to pan out, there are still states in the U.S. in which Apple has chosen (by selecting AT&T;) not to sell iPhones. Other countries have it before the U.S. fully does.

Nov 20, 07 - 10:20 am Comment from: Hg Wells

Why is MDN putting a semi-colon after A T and T? I note Mike T's and my post both inserted it even though it wasn't entered in the first place. Has MDN been drawn into the internationally feared semi-colon conspiracy?

Nov 20, 07 - 10:27 am Comment from: LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

You can't buy advertising this good -- and Apple gets it for free! It's a cult item in China, which has a lot of middle class population in the coastal regions. This will also improve Apple's bargaining power with the telcos in China.

So lighten up about Rogers and buy the stock. An iPhone is after all not a must have item, it is a must want item. Just get an ipod (maybe even a Touché) plus a Rogers Paygo telephone that costs $11.40 a month with tax and let the other guys pay Rogers at outrageous rates.

Nov 20, 07 - 11:31 am Comment from: Ampar

If it works for Microsoft, it can work for Apple.

"Contrary to what you may think - Microsoft isn't losing sleep over the rampant software piracy in China but it's the other way round.

The 'something is better than nothing' strategy of Bill Gates is that when people in China are pirating so much software, let them pirate software developed by Microsoft -that increases the overall number of Microsoft software users and some of them may eventually convert into paying customers.

This surprising "pro-piracy" move in China has proved beneficial for Microsoft in the long run and Windows is used on an estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. Fortune Magazine writes:

Gates argued at the time that while it was terrible that people in China pirated so much software, if they were going to pirate anybody's software he'd certainly prefer it be Microsoft's.

Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs."

(http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/07/we-love-microsoft-software-piracy-in.html)

More insight:
(http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134488/)

Nov 20, 07 - 12:33 pm Comment from: echo416

@ Hollywood North

In Toronto, you can buy a fully unlocked iPhone at one of the many Asian malls just north of the city. I got one for me and my wife on a visit to NYC.

@cptnkirk

Fido is the only other GSM network in Canada and they are already staring to implement their 3G network. Unfortunately they were bought by Rogers a few years ago, so essentially they are Rogers. However, they do seem to operate "independently" of Rogers. I'm currently using my iPhone on the Fido network, and now with 1.1.2, the VM notification problems have been fixed.

AT&T;

semi colon shows up on it's own...weird.

I was shopping in the Shilin night market in Taipei, Taiwan and found unlocked iPhones for sale for approx. US$650.

Nov 20, 07 - 02:00 pm Comment from: KingMel

HG - my guess is that it is the result of automatic syntax correction for HTML ampersand codes (i.e.,   = non-breaking space). in the script that MDN uses to add our feedback to the page in HTML.

Nov 20, 07 - 02:08 pm Comment from: KingMel

The example HTML code that I included in my last post was translated into the actual non-breaking space. Maybe a comment tag will work.

<!-- AT&T --> should give you AT&T

Nov 20, 07 - 03:53 pm Comment from: Think

MSH&T;Let's see what that gets.

Nov 20, 07 - 03:55 pm Comment from: Think

@KingMel and HG

You got something there. I typed just the letters and it put the semi colon there.

It takes Communist to fight for our freedoms?
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

Rogers (and Fido) are NOT the only GSM providers in Canada. Primus also has a GSM network - Apple make the play! Break the Rogers/ Blackberry/ high priced/bad service/ugly designed/ever changing interface and go with Primus.

Nothing beats Coca-Cola's choice of chinese characters.