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Dec 29, 07 - 12:02 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Just Blaze"

There is some credibility. An expert on stems and seeds.

Hip hop isn't music. It's Tourette's Syndrome in between court ordered medication.

Dec 29, 07 - 12:24 pm Comment from: mr_matalino

I hope it's not a notebook, rather a larger iPhone/iPod touch device...

Of what possible use could this be? If you have Steve's phone, that's all you will ever need. Excuse me now, I've got to pinch something.

You sound just like those people who have grown so old that they are basically obsolete and can no longer appreciate new things. Your great grandfather probably doesn't think whatever you listen to is music either. Or whatever you read or see is art or literature.

Ampar, I know those black people scare you and all, but there are plenty of music scholars who would disagree with you.

Perhaps you should get over your fears and try to explain your theories of what is and isn't music to some listeners of hip-hop in person? I'm sure that would go over well.

@Ampar

Genius definition! I will begin using it today! You are not always right, but this time you are dead on.

"Tourette's Syndrome in between court ordered medication." You ought to authorize this for universal use.

Dec 29, 07 - 12:49 pm Comment from: Grigori

I wonder if he'll have to buy AppleCare.

Dec 29, 07 - 12:49 pm Comment from: CandTsmac

No. Hip Hop isn't music.

Music is made by people who spend years learning to play an instrument, not 7 days with garageband.

Music WAS an art form, now it's a way to get rich.

It sucks.

Dec 29, 07 - 12:53 pm Comment from: CandTsmac

I should say in all fairness that there is a bit of talent in rap but come on, they don't even have to "sing" in key, just in time.

Please, even if you are a rap fan you must admit. Listen to Boston's first album then listen to M & M. If you don't here the difference, well.............

Dec 29, 07 - 12:54 pm Comment from: mike k.

pffft ... this rumour is a bunch of rubbish. i don't believe anything until the wawa sandwiches guy weighs in.

Attn: Hip Hoppers and Hip Hop Lovers

YOU are the reason Apple will NEVER be seen by 90+% of the country as a serious computer maker.

Very cute tunes players to drive your obsession - yes and yes. Computers - no, never.

To say hip hop isn't music is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. I'm going to assume the only reason Ampar can spell is because of spellcheck.

It takes talent to be successful in every genre. It also takes a miracle to convince someone to believe your point-of-view in the comments section of a website, so why even try?

I myself have more eclectic tastes in music; like Mindless Self Indulgence and Electric Six

Dec 29, 07 - 01:14 pm Comment from: Ampar

"I know those black people scare you and all . . ."

Where did I mention race? Are you high? Again?

Everyone knows Rock and Roll attained perfection in 1974.

That doesn't matter, though. Hip Hop and Arm Pit farting are all legitimate forms of music.

Dec 29, 07 - 01:16 pm Comment from: Ampar

"I'm going to assume the only reason Ampar can spell is because of spellcheck."


You got me there. While you're at it, look up "opinion", Spankmeister.

You got me there. While you're at it, look up "opinion", Amparmeister

Dec 29, 07 - 01:31 pm Comment from: Too Hot!

The boygeniusreport note was 3 days ago, and did not talk about a sub-notebook, but a "to-be-revealed" notebook. Obviously, that might be the anticipated sub-notebook, but could also be an update to one of the current offerings.

I have no credibility and you have no reason to believe what I say, but just for the record, this device was confirmed to me be another source at dinner last night. I very good friend of mine's brother works at Apple and he told her about it over xMas because she was in the market for a new laptop. She is not a fanboy and didn't realize she was spilling secrets when mentioning it in passing at dinner. Until I stopped her and said "what?" It's just a really super thin and lightweight 12-13 inch laptop with no optical drive.
No touch screen or anything.
For the record.

I have what's considered a pretty eclectic taste in music. My collection includes jazz, swing, blues, R&B;, funk, soul, disco, rock, pop, reggae, ska, surf, classical, punk, grunge, indie, country, bluegrass, heavy metal, electronica, folk etc. I keep up to date on a lot of the new stuff and have purchased many new releases from 2007 alone. I can listen to Burt Bacharach and Captain Beefheart in the same day and be perfectly happy.

But for the life of me, I would rather slowly gouge my eyes out than listen to a CD's worth of hip hop or rap or whatever you want to call it. Good or bad, I don't deny rap's influence on society, but it's just really, really, REALLY hard on the ears. Not to mention irritating, annoying, and just plain bothersome. If you can listen to rap/hip hop, more power to you, but I can't get through 10 seconds without turning it off.

Tourette's Syndrome is right........

Yours is the most racist post here! What makes you think Hip Hop belongs to black people??? And if that's possible, doesn't Jazz? Isn't it then possible to think that Jazz is a great art form and Hip Hop is pure garbage?

I sooooo agree with folks. Rap is s...t! It is a made believe art form from people that aren't musicians.

Yuck

Dec 29, 07 - 01:55 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Unfortunately, rap and hip hop have moved beyond being a 'black' thing. There are too many brain dead white boys out there who are into that garbage.

Someone's age, whether young or old, does not necessarily determine their likes or tolerances in music. My music collection runs from the Medieval period to the present, in all genres, including music from other countries around the world. I can accept and appreciate a lot of strange and bizarre vocal and instrumental types.
I cannot include typical rap and hip hop among them.

When they refer to many of these miscreants as 'artists' it makes me cringe. Now, if they actually do have any musical abilities and utilize them in their work, then I can accept that as music, even though I wouldn't possibly want to listen to it. There are some recent songs that have rap blended into them that I don't mind, but those performers have talent. Being black, putting on ten pounds of gold jewelry and wearing your cap sideways doesn't mean you have talent or that what you are spewing out is music.

Scholars, whether in music or anything else, are a dime a dozen. You can always find some who will praise the newest and most different thing. Look at the art 'scholars' who think displaying bloody animal parts or vomiting on a canvas constitute art.

What's sad is that if you get enough people who won't speak their mind because they are afraid of being labeled racist or intolerant or an old fart, then this kind of crap becomes acceptable and mainstream. And now we have 'Stars' like Just Blaze who are treated like royalty when they haven't earned or deserve squat.

Anyone who thinks I am a bigoted jerk for my feelings is welcome to believe that, because I really don't care.

Wow, and you guys are all computer dorks.

Have you ever tried to rap? Do you you know hard it is to do? Why don't you try to learn the lyrics, and sing along with it a few times, you'll understand then. Im not a rap fan myself, but you have to give credit where credit is due. It is a legitimate form of music period.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:00 pm Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

In no place did I see one racist comment from Ampar. But is hip-hop is what you call music, you don't know what real music is. It is at best R&B;with cacophony mixed in. Not all of it is "bad", in fact some of the lyrics are great and sometimes downright hilarious ("I'm so high I can eat a star!"). But I'll take classic rock any day over hip-hop.

Besides that debate, the comment Just Blaze does not tell us anything except a notebook will be introduced at MacWorld. Nothing about touch screen, or giant iPhone/Newton 2.0, or subnotebook. It could just be a new style MacBook. So before we all piss our pants, let's wait until the keynote. Period.

The MacSlate and it's Multi-Touch UI driven.

anyone else think he won't get one now that he's blabbed about it?

Dec 29, 07 - 02:12 pm Comment from: ron

Hip-hop, rap = crap. Whatever happened to music? Just wait for 20 years and see how much of the noise of today is remembered.

All these people complaining about hip hop have no clue what they're talking about.

It's like me saying Opera singers are all crap when I really have no clue about Opera or Opera singers in general. Ampar is just ignorant. and her statement clearly represents that.

So Ampar, besides macs, tell me more about your interests and I'll give you my opinions about them.

Every previous generation calls the current generation's music out. It's an effing cycle you stupid morons.

All of you old farts like Ampar and Ron, you idiots probably grew up listening to the Beatles and whoever the hell else you were into back in the 60s. And you know what? You're parents probably hated that music and encouraged you to listen to Sinatra, or some other old crooner that you couldn't stand but that they enjoyed.

It's the same crap over and over again. This generation enjoys hip hop, get it in your head and shut the hell up. All these idiots being so self-righteous about what they deem as 'real music' need to get a life.

This isn't the 60's anymore, times are a changing. The world changes, culture moves forward. Things 'progress' even if you don't agree with the definition in terms on this argument. Nothing stays the same. You old farts should realize this but you're blinded by your ignorance.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:18 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Ampar is a chick? I mean a woman?

Dec 29, 07 - 02:18 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Antiracist

So what would you say to a black person that thinks rap isn't music? Or do they all like it?

Hey Ron,

hip hop is already over 20 years old you ignorant piece of garbage. And there's plenty of classics from the original era that are well-known and loved by the enthusiasts.

Just like you and your beloved folk singers.

It's all relative you moron.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:22 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Ampar

I don't think I can party with anyone who thinks California Love isn't music.

Jus' sayin'.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:22 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Ha ha! I guess he told you Ampar and ron, ya old farts!

Hip hop and rap: the unintelligent listening to the untalented.

Rap may not be easy to do, as several of its supporters on this thread have pointed out, BUT that doesn't make it MUSIC. There are a few songs that blend in rap that I enjoy. But music needs MELODY and songs require SINGING. On the whole, rap is junk compared to real music. And we're stuck with it because a bunch of wannabe suburban white boys like to pretend that they're street thugs--that's the embarrassing part.

Music implies tonality; even percussive instruments have tonality. Rap is largely monotone, without any sort of sense of pitch or tonality. It is speaking with rhythm; however, just because there are notes being played in the background doesn't mean that rap itself is music. The act of "rapping" is not music.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:25 pm Comment from: LorD1776

ChrissyOne,

"California Love". Was that by the Beach Boys?

Dec 29, 07 - 02:26 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ LorD1776

Well no, but the harmonies would have been stunning.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:27 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Jake

Thank you for showing us the proper rules for music. How very rock & roll.

"If you don't bring back my m****f*****n money or my m***f****n dope, you can forget about Christmas n***a, cause you ain't gon even see New Years."

Walk around singing this.

Unfortunately Dipper Dapper, all too often these days 'progress' means dumbing down. I have 10 and 14 year old kids and they tell me that rap and hip hop are excrement - and I believe them.

Mr Squirrels,

You sound like a left-over from the 50's. Thanks for the Webster Merriam definition, but hip hop IS music. Go climb a tree and chomp on some dingle-berries with your buck-teeth.


Sincerely,

The Iron Acorn

Here we go again with the race card. I thought Cochrane was dead.

Anyway, this bears repeating...


Actually, the only thing worse than - and even MORE boring than rap or hiphop 'music' - is country music. Same ig'nant jerks, diff'ent 'hoods.

But, if you're really interested in 'black music', try those that are worthy:

Louis Armstrong•
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Tracy Chapman *
Ray Charles *
Jimmy Cliff *
George Clinton/Parliament
Sam Cooke
Nat "King" Cole
John Coltrane
Commodores/Lionel Richie
Bo Diddley *
"Fats" Domino
Earth, Wind and Fire
Aretha Franklin *
Marvin Gaye
Jimi Hendrix *
Janet Jackson
Michael Jackson
Stanley Jordan
B. B. King **
Lenny Kravitz *
Living Color *
Bob Marley
Thelonious Monk (I'll bet someone at these forums knows this dude!)
Johnny Nash•
Aaron Neville
Billy Preston•
Prince *
Otis Redding *
Seal *
Smokey Robinson
Sly & the Family Stone *
Staple Sisters *
The Supremes
Tina Turner
Luther Vandross
Muddy Waters
Stevie Wonder *
War *

@ Iron Acorn:

I'm actually 23 and a a writer/musician who has listened to and occasionally enjoys a little hip-hop. That doesn't mean its music.

Dec 29, 07 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Me In LA

Hip-Hop - hip-hop is dead
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-NAS

Dec 29, 07 - 02:36 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

I love how people come up with arbitrary criteria to justify their own music taste, then project that on to everyone around them. Why do people do this?
Music is expression. Expression of your loves, your hates, the struggles and challenges in your life. And above all it's personal. Who are any of you to judge what is important to someone else? What do you know of what it's like to grow up in an urban black neighborhood while your sitting in a big house in a wealthy white suburb? You think everyone should just pop in some James Taylor while they're rollin' with their boys?
This conversation always pisses me off, so I'm going to leave it now. Have fun trashing me while I'm gone. I'll be in my car, listening to a playlist that includes rap, country, teckno, and a little bit of Bach.
Enjoy your one-genre wonders.

-c