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Lets face it, iMove '08 just plain sucks.

Ahh headline fixed now. So much better.

I like iMovie '08, but I prefer the polish iMovie '06 offered. To me, though, the current iMovie makes more sense from a sales perspective-- makes Final Cut Express far more enticing now. Before, most people could do without, as iMovie was actually pretty powerful.

I liked Apple better when they were a small monopoly.

Now that the beast is growing...

Hopefully by the time it gets to be a big problem, Linux will have a decent desktop version ready to go.

So far I hear one can pick up a basic Linux PC for about $250, surfs the web and emails just fine. If that's all you need it to do.

To me, though, the current iMovie makes more sense from a sales perspective-- makes Final Cut Express far more enticing now

Bleeding the sheep in other words.

1: Pay for upgrade with less features than previous version.

2: Users then need to buy FCE to regain features

3: DOUBLE PROFIT!!!


I think when SJ said "If I was in charge of Apple (again) I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth and move on to the next big thing"

I think he was telling the truth.

Too bad they make finding the iMovie 06 download a major pain in the ass.

I'm so upset with Apple lately, if it was't for the intense smog of Cupertino, I would protest at 1 Infinate Loop.

Perhaps I can find a gas mask at the local Army/Navy Store?

Wouldn't that be a media hit?

Muhhalalallalal!!!

the truth is Apple invented a better way to edit video.

period

all this crap is noise

from jerks

MDN: "we also believe iMovie '08 has great potential"

Absolutely agree. Once some of the previous features are added back in (think Themes, Chapter markers, FX), it will kick butt.

I'd love to have the timeline option though. Not sure if that will make it back as a selectable option.

Looks like Apple did drop the ball on this one.

It's true that iMovie - and in fact the whole iLife suite - has always been a steal for the price, way underpriced by market standards (and free with a Mac purchase) for the features offered.

But once you offer certain features in a piece of software, to then take them away in an "upgrade" is a slip in the decision-making process.

Having said that, the free iMovie06 download allows you to have what are essentially two distinct pieces of software. Perhaps they should be renamed iMovie Express and iMovie Full or something.

For me, the free download not only heals the inadvertent wound but in fact allows the user to use the iMovie version that best suits his/her ultimate purpose.

Calling them 'jerks' is way too kind for these assholes.

yeah the term for u haters is 'newbie', you want to be 'real' editors on imovie '06. Get a life, read a book and learn FCE, toughen up for a change u whiners. imovie is INTENDED for my grandma, not cheapskates. Now we have differentiation among product lines, instead of cannibalized sales, that's good for business. Of course, people who use imovie for business, probably have no point being in business anyway. Schmucks.

Don't like the new iMovie?

How about moving over to the magnificent Microsoft Windows Movie Maker? It makes digital home movies amazingly easy and fun. You can create home movie masterpieces on your computer using Windows Movie Maker and share them with family and friends.

The reality is that image and video editing isn't any good on a MAC. And it's proprietary so you're working in weird Apple-only formats and the drivers for video camera aren't there on the MAC. The IT guys at work told me so and they should know. They take Microsoft certification exams.

Give Microsoft Windows Movie Maker a try!

Your potential. Our passion.™

a lot of people are defending imovie '08 for being much simplified and better for entry level.

and it is.

a lot of people are upset it is also dumbed down.

and it is.

the vast majority of Mac users are used to getting pro level power AND simplicity in one package. if they keep the new interface and skimming but put the sound and more powerful editing tools back, they have a hit.

i have tried FCE, and it is awkward and difficult for me. the interface is designed for pros. understandably, but iMovie '08 is short in too many areas.

...guess i need to learn FCE.

MW: the complaint about iMovie '08 isn't about what it isn't, but what it isn't. the "value in '06 was greater for too many.

"Once some of the previous features are added back in (think Themes, Chapter markers, FX), it will kick butt."

bingo. that is the trouble right there.

i don't even mind doing the sound work in garageband and importing it, but when i have all the goodies removed, i feel a bit shorted.

I'm actually looking forward to trying iMovie '08. I never did use iMovie before as I have FCP. I am interested, however, in a quick method of throwing home video together without feeling the need of producing an epic.

Apple should release an update to iMovie '08 that would put back all the features they removed. This time, the new version should boot up to the current "Lite" version but with all the "Pro" features hidden away and invoked at will by more experienced users.

you missed the point. people have been using iMovie for years and have invested in third party plug-ins. we know the software, don't want to be a "real" editor, don't want to spend the money on FCE for home movies, but we do want ease of use and we want to produce a professional looking project. iMovie '08 is a downgrade for all the loyal iMovie users. MDN can try to rationalize it all they want, but the fact is that Apple is giving long time supporters a dumbed down version and telling them to go buy FCE if you want more options. if Apple wants us to purchase FCE, great! produce an iLife suite minus the crapware that is iMovie 08 and offer FCE at 50% off... problem solved.

stop trying to be me 'fake maclover'
So you say you want to produce a PROFESSIONAL product on imovie ? Or, a 50% discount on a pro product like FCE ?
Listen to yourself, you want to be a Pro, with very little investment !!! How bout you quit your day job, take your saving and play Lotto to pay the mortgage ?
Hey! You never know !
The reality is, professionals invested mentally and financially to get where they are, not wanting to move forward, means you personally have little chance of ever producing a professional product. Not because I don't like you, but because,
you don't like yourself.

I agree with the MDN Take 100%. The purpose of the iLife suite is to help grow the Mac market share. It should cater to new inexperienced users and get them making movies and showing their Windows-using friends and family what a Mac can do.

there's a great graphic listed at this url that shows where iMovie 08 is on a scale against iMovie 06 and FCP.

http://www.geethree.com/slick/imovie8.html

The thing is the new interface and editing style are great but deleting features and rendering pluggins poeple have purchased already is not cool. This is a Microsoft style upgrade and definately not what we have come to expect from Apple. Update version 1 could answer the concerns people have been raising - let's see.

If Apple had not offered iMovie '06 HD for free to current users, we would have had an entirely different take on iMovie '08.

Sure ya would have. Tell us all about the last time you made any constructive criticism of ANY Apple product. Face it, you're a big mouth mindless fanboy without a life...

Period. Good luck on you "News" Site!

Apple has historically made great software. But thanks, IMHO, to the success of the iPod, Apple is rapidly becoming the new Microsoft. MDN is arguing that Apple is justified in "dumbing down" iMovie because that distinguishes it from Final Cut. But here's something to ponder:

The old Apple would have distinguished iMovie from Final Cut by improving Final Cut. The new Apple (i.e. Microsoft 2.0) has chosen to distinguish its two products by stripping features from iMovie.

It's obvious what we must do!!

We must dumb ourselves down to match iMove '08!

It's the Apple way.

I have come to the conclusion that your are the best satirist since FSJ since no sane person could ever concoct the stuff you write even if they were half serious.

I salute you, sir, as a true genius

<i>@LorD 1776
Calling them 'jerks' is way too kind for these assholes.,/I>


Totally agree LorD.. Why can't everyone be like you and ignore what a POS iMovie 08 is and just go out and buy it because Steve said to....

I'm like you! Who cares if it's any good. Steve said it's the best. I'm Buying... WOOO Hoooo Apple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The old Apple would have distinguished iMovie from Final Cut by improving Final Cut. The new Apple (i.e. Microsoft 2.0) has chosen to distinguish its two products by stripping features from iMovie."

i am not sure that a single application is justification for a sweeping insult like that. maybe, just maybe, they deserve a little benefit of the doubt....

...say until this becomes a habit?

Isn't it possible that Apple wanted to add more features to the iMovie, but because it is a complete ground-up rewrite that they simply didn't have the time? The new rendering engine, and the new library management, etc. has caused the program to be rewritten, but I would expect that iMovie '09 would have many of the old features added back in. It's just like who Mac OS X v10.0 didn't have DVD playback support, and couldn't burn CDs, and didn't have all sorts of stuff we liked in Mac OS 9. The reality is that they just didn't have time to add all the features in OS X 10.4 into 10.0 from the beginning. Giving people iMovie '06 for free is like giving us Classic so we could still access some of the old OS 9 features we needed.

Currently there are 239 reviews on iLife 08 at the online Apple Store. iLife 08 has a score of 2.5 stars out of 5 available. Mostly due to poor iMovie reviews.

Mine was but one of the first ten comments, all of them roughly identical in gently chiding MDN and Apple about iMovie'08. So why was this:
the truth is Apple invented a better way to edit video.
period
all this crap is noise
from jerks
aimed at ME? Did I include my .sig? Nope, don't think so. Nope, still not there. Did I flame anyone? Nope, don't think so. A couple hundred or so responses to a previous entry were pretty solidly in the "Yes, Apple can make a mistake." camp. I hadn't said a word, then. Now some anonymous clown is calling me, and all those other people, JERKS? It seems to me this is unrelated to my comment and strictly a cheap personal attack.
DLMeyer said (something), he must be wrong!
This seems, to me, an excellent reason to institute "accounts". The protection of "anonymity" is very much over-rated. It isn't "freedom to tell the truth" so much as "freedom to tell lies" and "freedom to flame" and "freedom from responsibility".
My name is David L. Meyer and I stand behind my words.
What do you stand for?

Why do people mistake their own expectations with what is? I'll write a book in my spare time.

Radical changes suggest philosophy changes. Philosophy changes suggest strategic changes. Strategic changes suggest the need for new direction. New direction in Apple's perceived path suggests the need for increased mass appeal. Radical change given the context of Apple's success is a sign of strength, even with complaints.

Mac faithful are mac-faithful. For those that have yet to be enlightened, easier is certainly better. Think long term. Think beyond yourself. Think BIG.

Oh, and I stand for sitting.

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html

for the search impaired among us

All of you folks are STUPID beyond belief. And you call yourself mac users? For crying out loud, you all act like a bunch of wussy pc fanboys the same thing whih you are criticizing MDN for. MDN is not arguing that such features are useless but that iMovie isn't so bad as many are arguing.

Get a load of yourselves.

iMovie 08 should have been released as 'iMovie Express' for beginners along side the HD version.

I can’t even remember the last time I used any software where the latest upgrade actually stripped out a good chunk of a programmes current capabilities. I'd love to know whos bright idea that was that got the go ahead.

There's no need to defend Apple here - this was just an inane thing to do to your customers.

So MDN adds a take. Hilarious. I've never met a soul that couldn't figure out iMovie 6, even my 80 year old mother.

It's always Apple's way and no other way, in the midst of a resurgence, SJ will blow it again with his way and not listening to their customers. Plus, iPhoto now hides your photos in a database, not freely available as separate files on your drive to use.

iLife 08 is definitely a Microsoftian product.

Pinnacle offers "Smart Movie", a feature rich video eiditing tool for windows for $99.99.

With apple you have 2 choices $15.- for a heavily stripped down iMovie 08 or $300.- for Finak Cut Express.

Nothing in between ...:( Bad choice Apple!!

Haha, MDN can't keep their story straight, Flip flopping pussies!

You call some other story this morning heresy, and now you concede that iMovie 08 doesn't offer half the features of the pervious version.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

Magic Word: expected

oh, so so fitting.

Does Apple own MD?

ZT, you said "How about moving over to the magnificent Microsoft Windows Movie Maker? It makes digital home movies amazingly easy and fun. You can create home movie masterpieces on your computer using Windows Movie Maker and share them with family and friends."

In that comment, I think you are right. All these people who are bitching and moaning should consider your suggestion.

ZT, then you go on to say," The reality is that image and video editing isn't any good on a MAC. And it's proprietary so you're working in weird Apple-only formats and the drivers for video camera aren't there on the MAC. The IT guys at work told me so and they should know. They take Microsoft certification exams.Give Microsoft Windows Movie Maker a try! "

I am sorry but the humor is gone. Give it up or try really harder.

NO potential. NO passion Just MS people trying to get our money with as little effort as possible. JMHO

" We believe iMovie '08 offers a better, easier way for novices to edit video; making video editing more accessible to more people, which we believe was the original intent of iMovie"

Please Guys! Apple will continue to advertise here (as well as Disney) regardless of your MDN "take" on things. If M$ made made a comparable move, you would be on them like flies on sh%t, as well as your fanboy-following.

New releases of software are about upgrading user-interface, options and control, NOT downgrading the afore mentioned. MAC users have always been able to navigate the software and have always been up to the challenge of making the software more usable and productive. Simply put, we're not accustomed to "dumbing down" as we are to "notching up".

"MDN Magic Word"... lack, as in, the lack of integrity and authenticity abounds in cyberspace, does this review remind you of the Acer-Ferrari giveaway scandal?

whores!

A reasonable Take this time, MDN. Your Take on the Pogue story hurt your credibility.

Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.!!!!!!

For all the complainers, let your pocket books do the talking. Don't buy iLife 08. As a matter of fact, why don't you just switch to Windows.

If you love iMovie 06 so much you can still keep it and when you go pro, get FCE.

For the rest of us who just make a few home movies here and there, iMovie 08 is the best thing that has ever happened to amateur movie making.

well, I don't see why MDN needs to be " " unbiased" etc

Wow he is so un-intelligent, Who cares life is full of people who hate and dislike;

I reckon MDN rocks. We are intelligent enough to know a feature is missed, But its nice to have MDN stick up, and point out what the intent of imovie is. For the people here which I thought where intelligent:
Life systems are about AMBITIONS AND DIRECTION, Apple are on a direction, I believe they make excellent systems and help humanity.

I back this horse and when sometimes it is hurt I am there to help keep the energy going, if people knocked all th pioneers such as Charles Pearce or the Rights brothers at ther first plane did not have a cabon crew or a In board TV

well gee people

I like this site and I don't want " { unbiased information.} I can read CNN etc or any other for this, so called Informed,

But really if can anyone make a better product or have with Digital video for years and dedicated there life to it, let them talk about the Limitations.

Joe fat man and Susies Why can i have free Money,

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I want speed in my iMovie. I have no time in my life to piss around learning the old iMovie. I like 08 iMovie. " Getter Done ! "

IT IS THE FIRST VERSION of 08 iMovie HELLO!!! Go to Final Cut Pro Lite if you want better for you purests.


I just talked a PC women friend into getting a Mac because she wanted an easy video editing program. She saw how easy it was and bought a 2.0 20 inch iMac yesterday. She only bought it because of that. Her PC was fine for all her other stuff. A new Mac convert because of iMovie 08.




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Kassandra,

Please point out where MDN "flip-flopped" between their two iMovie "Takes."

I'll help you: they didn't (if you can read and comprehend English).

Show us your contribution?

PS: We should be happy we can have this debate, We are should be happy we have ilife 06


PSS : I have a site iphonewebmail.com

I wish this level of critical rationality was in play when AppleTV debuted - then maybe we'd have one with DVR functionality by now.

As it stands, it's heartening to see MDN get it's/his head handed over. Totally stupid 'takes' on this topic. Totally substandard software offering from Apple.

To the person who said we should wait to see if this becomes a trend: Why? It makes more sense to get Apple set straight BEFORE this becomes an ingrained way of doing things. Besides, if you consider the hardware end of things - AppleTV especially - their putting out half-done products has already been repeated.


MDN magic word = right

"It's only right for a smart consumer to keep on top of these things when they happen."

Comment from: Odyssey67

what do you do for a Job?

Please and can you tell me, us about your history , what you work with on the mac and how long , really , No joke.

we can debate the Apple TV or the Apple Mac Mini this could be more interesting or the Mail server system.


Cheers

Anthony

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