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I love some of the comments: I won't use a mac. I won't! I won't! I won't I won't!

Yep - What a slam at MS, and a huge positive for Apple from C|Net!

OS X kicks some hearty ass...

"Macintosh. Because life's too short."

That's been a tag-line of mine for as long as I've been a mac user, since system 6 on a Mac Classic years and years ago...

Or, conversely, "Windoze - because I've got time enough to burn...."

Exactly how I felt using it the first time -- is this it? It's shocking really. OS X is so much better right now than Vista, and Leopard promises to be so far advanced in terms of UI and performance (think multi-core support) it's going to be very bad for Microsoft.

OS X is going to smoke on multi-core chips. True 64bit throughout the OS and the next generation quad, octal, ect. chips are going to make OS X way faster than Vista in every respect. Microsoft has really fallen behind and this is happening because Microsoft spent all their energy trying to immitate the OS X UI; and they have obviously failed miserably. Meanwhile, Apple has been quietly working with Intel and preparing OS X to take full advantage of the new multi-core chips coming out, along with adding even more killer UI effects and implementing them with intelligence. Vista will not be able to compete with this.

Wait until they start benchmarking Vista against Leopard on the same hardware. It aint going to be pretty for M$.

Bottom line:
Vista does NOT "deliver something truly exciting to finally leapfrog ahead of Apple."

I installed Windows XP on my Macbook Pro today...once in Parallels and once for bootcamp. There went the whole day.

During the process I could NOT help but think of that giant garbage scow that roamed the ocean, unable to find someone to accept it...Wishing that I didn't HAVE to use Windows at all (but to administer our phone system I do).

Also during the process it was like going back in time to the days of MS-DOS and
640 x 480 green screens, and config.bat files, and all the other assorted total bull that just gets in the way of actually doing something.

I haven't met anyone who wants to upgrade to Vista. No one wants to take the hit in hardware and "performance". Many comments I hear are " if I wanted all that I'd buy a Mac."

If I understand the Sarbanes-Oxley Act as currently defined, what MicroSquirt releases as Vista 1.0 next week will be all that CAN be released in the initial iteration! That means NO NEW GOODIES can be added to this particular package EVER . . . only "Service Packs" and patches galore for the bugs.

When (if?) Gates and Ballmer finally get around to adding new features to the package to compete with OS X Leopard, it will have to be shipped all over again FOR AN UPGRADE FEE!

BWAAAAAAHAAAAA!

Definitely a Stockholm Syndrome guy. Those last paragraphs were basically like the girl whose boyfriend abuses her saying, "He'll get better. I know it" or "He can't help it; it really was my fault". And he's preaching to people of like mind. Basically, he's holding out hope that Microsoft wil fix in the first service pack what they couldn't accomplish in 5+ years with designing the total OS. They had their chance to start fresh, but they didn't. Therefore, they're those 5+ years behind OS X, still.

>I haven't met anyone who wants to upgrade to Vista.

You have now. When I dumped my PowerBook I bought a Dell Inspiron with Windows XP in it and a free upgrade to Vista. We've been running Vista at work to test our apps and hardware, and I brought one of the laptops home to test it and Media Center with my USB HDTV tuner and sound system hardware. It worked flawlessly.

My Vista disc will be in the mail as soon as it's released and it'll be loaded in my Inspiron as soon as I get the disc.

I was a Mac user for over 10 years before I "switched", going off on the same anti-Microsoft rants I read on this forum. I finally decided to grow up. Maybe someday you will too.

MDN: "For our Google News visitors attracted by the "Vista" in the headline, here is the real bottom line, totally unaffected by Microsoft ad dollars"

Sure, unaffected by MICROSOFT AD DOLLARS, but every page of this site is plastered with ads, many of which are for items on the Apple Store, where you make money for every sale made by people clicking on one of those links...

What hypocrites!

By the way, I bought a Mac mini as a test in Januaryy 2005, found no need for my Windows machine within a couple weeks, and in November of '05, I bought a PowerMac G5 Quad, and have no looked back for a moment... I made the decision to switch based on my OWN research, and avoided idiotic, lie-filled BS from those who are deeply vested in promoting Windows as well as the delusional, nutcase Mac fanatics (that's you, MDN)... Take the opinions out of the equation, and the Mac won, hands down.

So, those who are sick of WindowsXP, I can't give you any input on Vista, but I can say this much, Mac OS X is infinitely better, and Vista leaves me unimpressed.

Have a nice day

And there are far too many dependencies on Microsoft products; this is not a very objective operating system, as preference is always given to Microsoft products (of which there are many), from MSN search to RSS feeds only from Internet Explorer.

Vista will turn out to be as insecure as its predecessors. Want to do internet banking? Online credit card transactions? Email personal nformatin? As an anonymous hacker would say:

"Come on, make my day."

Former Windows users usually use their right names in their public proclimations of switching to Macs.

Why not the Former Mac User?

I guess because he or she is afraid of what the rabid cultists would do to him or her and his or her family. After all, dozens of Windows users are savaged every year by Macheads - many fatally.

It always gets me how IE and Office apps open in an instant in Windows whereas most other apps take a while. Open Firefox first and then Outlook immediately after and Outlook will hog the system and beat Firefox to the punch. I bet M$ breaks the rules how apps can take system resources when opening etc. Everybody else doesn't have access to those and so always appear slower.

unbiased,

The MacDailyNews guys are "delusional, nutcase Mac fanatics" because they're right that Mac OS X is better than Windows?

Please explain.

Wait for the Service pack!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

that is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

Vista is basically Win98 service pack16 & as I near life long windows guy, it still sux and nothign's change. Get the junk out the door, and psend years fixing the worse broken parts with SP's.

OMG. This is stunning and yet why would anyone be surprised?

Former Mac User:

Not that I want to be one to flame you for your choice, but I would point out that changing your preferred OS simply on forum rants is a disturbing way of doing it.

1. I assume you had no mission critical apps such as photoshop that kept you tied to Mac OS.
2. You have money to burn
3. you have nothing more important in your life than trolling forums

Come on, there must have been more to it than you suggest

Why does CNET's numberic rating and tag line seem wrong? That is because it is.
If you click on the little numeric rating icon of 7.8 you get the following explanation

8.0 to 8.9 (Excellent):
A product that receives a rating in this range is superior in so many ways that its relatively few drawbacks are not very important.

7.0 to 7.9 (Very good):
While the strengths of a product scoring in this range certainly outweigh its weaknesses, it has some minor faults that certain users should be aware of.

But if you go the COMPARE tab and click on the link Editors' Ratings Explained you get the following:

8.0 to 8.9 (Very good):
A product that receives a rating in this range is superior in so many ways that its relatively few drawbacks are not very important.

7.0 to 7.9 (Good):
While the strengths of a product scoring in this range certainly outweigh its weaknesses, it has some faults that certain users should be aware of.

GOOD seems to be the proper description for Vista.

Come on CNET! I thought grade inflation was dead.

Former Mac User:

The one thing I can't believe is that you would switch to Windows and yet still visit macdailynews. My guess is that you didn't really switch willingly, more like your company "forced" you to switch because they gave you that laptop for free.

And if you did switch because you got tired of the Mac and its users, then it is truly a sad day and I for one am sorry to see you go.

Hopefully one day you'll come back and join us. We need all the marketshare we can get.

But stick around; this is just Windows Vista 1.0. Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is due out sometime before the end of the year. Windows Vista SP1 promises to fix what's known to be wrong within Windows Vista and should offer a few concrete reasons to switch

Mmm-hmm, sure. And this year the Cubs will finally win the series. Stick around! (Apologies to Cubs fans for comparing their team to Microsoft.)

perhaps you had an OS9 based powerbook and XP seemed to be the future?

Thats a fair thing

Former Mac User:

Really? You switched to Windows because of your stereotypical perceptions of Mac users at MDN. I would have thought an informed and erudite Microsoft apologist would use better logic than that to change operating systems. I laugh at you.

Former Mac User,
Have fun!!! And think of me every time it crashes or you have to reinstall the OS. Also, think of me every time you have to click "OK" for Vista's craptacular User Access Controls.

Microsucks.....Your Problem, Our Software.

Former Mac User was never a Mac user...

Zune Tang you dog.

DogGone,
I have thought the same thing many times.

and, Trollin',
OS 9 was a fair competitor for XP. The first argument against me would be about protected memory and I would call "BS". XP has crashed because of an application crash many times on me!

I would take OS 9 any day over XP!

perhaps you had an OS9 based powerbook and XP seemed to be the future?

AlBook G4/1.67

1. I assume you had no mission critical apps such as photoshop that kept you tied to Mac OS.

Actually I have Photoshop CS2 in my Inspiron, running on a Core2 processor, and not running in a Rosetta emulator. Seems to me you can't even buy Photoshop for an Intel Mac right now. So don't try to tell me about "mission critical".

<i>2. You have money to burn

I paid $938 for my Inspiron with an HDTV tuner. An identically equipped (minus a built-in camera) MacBook Pro came in at roughly $2,300 with no TV tuner.

3. you have nothing more important in your life than trolling forums

Actually I still have a DP 1.42GHz PowerMac G4. So if I understand correctly, since I'm now a Windows user, I'm not allowed to read and participate in Mac forums. Correct?

Come on, there must have been more to it than you suggest

Yep. Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel processors. I can buy PC hardware identically spec'd to Apple hardware for half the price. And enjoy a portfolio of (current, like PS CS2) software that Mac users only dream of having.

What you guys don't get is that the platform is immaterial. It's the apps.

By "Former Mac User", that means he tried OS 9 a long time ago, and now he's a paid shill for Microsoft, Inc.

Former Mac User is a disappointment. Where's the zing? I don't know if I can save it, but here goes...

I can't wait to get my free upgrade to Vista on my recently purchased Dell Inspiron. It's gonna be awesome! At work one of the guys in the graphics department brought his PowerBook in and it was a piece of crap. The IT guys and I just laughed. Hey graphics queer, your mouse only has one button. Loser. Do all of you Apple lemmings pay more to get less? Would it kill the tightwads in Cupertino to add another button to a mouse? Wake up Mac heads!

We've been running Vista at work to test our apps and hardware at work, and I brought one of the laptops home to test it and Windows Media Center with my USB HDTV tuner and sound system hardware. Did I mention Windows Media Center? Windows Media Center! It worked flawlessly. Read it and weep Apple losers, that's a little thing called plug-and-play--and Vista has it in spades. That's the thing about Microsoft: Their stuff just works. With Apple you have to buy their overpriced crap and pray that the system can work with it. What a nightmare.

I knew a Mac user 10 years ago. He was always going off on the same anti-Microsoft rants I read on this forum. All I can say is you Apple lemmings are delusional. Stick with a winner. Get Vista.

Your potential. Our passion.

Oh my, and this is not just any version of Vista, he is talking about the ULTIMATE version. So it CAN be worse for the other (less capable) versions.

And his best hope is for a SERVICE PACK !!!

AMAZING !

Really...Choosing Windows now really seems like a mental illness (apologies to the people who HAVE to use it, either because someone else at work makes the decision or some software is not available on the Mac...)


On the other hand.. if this turns out to be similar to the Copeland disaster, then M$ just might do the unthinkable......BUY themselves something really good and let Windows die....

Magic word..plan...MS NEEDS a NEW Business PLAN....badly.....

People who will buy new pcs with come with Low featured version of vista that is Basic version without the so called feature Aero effect and many features missing LOL. They will have to buy the Full Version Ultimate edition separetely for $399 retail or Ultimate OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) for $199. Vista can be Run Good on old machines with least P4 3.0GHZ cpu with 1Gb ram, 256Mb video card without buying new pc. But most people will buy new pc because they dont know how to change internal parts by themselves.

Windows Vista still has Malmare that is Spyware. If you were thinking why they picked the Name Vista. I will say Vista stand for Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adaware. Just because it has Malware still. Which i doubt will never go away. And most windows users are not smart and some are who can manage to prevent viruses by having freeware anti-virus like AVG with firewall on without having to spend a dime on pc by going to the store. If people cant manage windows machine. I usually suggest people move to Mac Os X Tiger now. Bye

Oh, it hurts so bad. It's like these battlefield vets have had their arms and legs chopped off yet they're still trying to rally their loyal readers with a new yet pathetic battle cry. That hurts...new yet pathetic..

So I see Mr. Vamosi in my minds eye....he's just a trunk and a head with a new yet pathetic cry....'Windows Vista SP1 promises to fix what's known to be wrong within Windows Vista and should offer a few concrete reasons to switch'. Should I just go ahead and shit right now?

Sorry..... but these Vista articles are starting to smell like they dropped out of the devils ass.

Helloooooooo.... Anybody home?

Macintosh here. You know, the ONLY machine that can DUAL BOOT both Windoze AND Mac?

All about the APPS? Are you on CRACK? If it was, then Macintosh wins HANDS DOWN. Runs 'em ALL.

Your OS of choice? NOT EVEN.

Anybody home? Didn't think so.

I have a question for the participants of this forum in general........

Does it appear to anyone else that "Zune Tang" has serious psychological issues, or it just me?

It's certainly only got one party trick that it repeats over and over again in a desperate bid for attention.

Macintosh here. You know, the ONLY machine that can DUAL BOOT both Windoze AND Mac?

All about the APPS? Are you on CRACK? If it was, then Macintosh wins HANDS DOWN. Runs 'em ALL.

Maybe you should get clued in. I have no use for Mac OS X. What I have use for is AutoCAD, Photoshop CS2, ArcGIS (ESRI ArcView, etc), and several FEA (Finite Element Analysis for the non-engineers) applications.

Now let's take stock of what runs on what; of all my apps OS X will only run one - Photoshop CS2 - and that has to run in Rosetta on an Intel Mac. None of the others are available for OS X. None of them. If you think I'm going to spend my time rebooting all day so I can check my email with Apple Mail and do my work on Windows, YOU'RE the one that's smoking crack.

Former Mac User, you are full of shit with your lies.

I just went to Dell and configured a E1505 Inspiron Dual Core to closely
match a basic MacBook Pro.

The Inspiron can only go to 2.0 GHz. MBP 2.16
After upgrading the Inspiron to 2.0Gz, adding XP pro, ATI graphics card,
DVD burner, Bluetooth, larger hd (120 GB), upgrading display, better battery,
virus software, and some creative software ($99) the price was $1750.00

As you mentioned no camera,, lighted keyboard, hard drive motion stop,
optical audio, DVI connector, Front Row and remote and it does not say if its GB ethernet.

All for a $250 difference and no cheap plastic case.

This comparison has been done by many PC mags and sites with the same numbers.

I write this on my MBP which everytime I bring to one of my customers the IBM Global service engineers go "Ga Ga" over and ask to see it.

My index and middle finger on the track pad with a click works better than a second button for my right clicking!

Beeeeeeeeep!!! Wrong again, Vista-breath!

Former Mac User, if you don't like re-booting to use ALL your apps (understandable), then just get Parallels and install XP, Vista, ect. and run 'em. Just like I do. And enjoy your clue! And please, get off the crack.

Fomer Mac User: "What you guys don't get is that the platform is immaterial. It's the apps."

You're right!! Antivirus apps, Antispyware apps, Registry Cleaner apps, Firewall apps, Defrag apps. And with all that, does Vista have any free memory left to run anything else?

Enjoy your new world..

Let's break out the booze and have a ball.

GOOD RIDDANCE, Former Mac User! And don't let the door hit you in the ass!

Former Mac User, you are full of shit with your lies.

I just went to Dell and configured a E1505 Inspiron Dual Core to closely
match a basic MacBook Pro.

The Inspiron can only go to 2.0 GHz. MBP 2.16

<sigh> My Inspiron has a T7400 cpu @ 2.16 GHz. And I paid $938 for it after promotional discounts, a web coupon, and purchasing it thru our Dell business account at work.

I don't care how many "comparisons" you read on the web. The real world and the people in it don't live and die by comparisons done by PC Mag. Anybody who buys a Dell knows that you can get hundreds off the "list" price if you do your research and find the promotional codes and/or coupons.

Beeeeeeeeep!!! Wrong again, Vista-breath!

Former Mac User, if you don't like re-booting to use ALL your apps (understandable), then just get Parallels and install XP, Vista,

Like I said, Mac-breath, why bother with OS X? Windows works just as good for email, web, movie editing, digital photography, music creation, etc., etc., etc. And it works better than OS X to do my work. Get off the platform evangelism podium. I still use both operating systems, but FYI Windows is what powers the business world - not Mac OS X.

The review can be summarized as damning with faint praise.

"Windows is what powers the business world - not Mac OS X."

For the moment.

Xavier,

The only difference this time around is that there is no NeXT equivalent that M$ can snap up, so if they were to find something else, it would take some hard lookin'.

Plus if they ever did go that route, it makes one think whether or not the devs and- to a greater degree- the consumers would make the jump from Windows to whatever M$ had. I think many people (especially the devs) would switch to the Mac then because even if they've never used OS X or programmed for for OS X, at least the Mac OS has more credibility than whatever garbage would spew from the bowels of Redmond.

Still, it would finally lift the Windows lock-in on software and web developers because a new OS from M$ can't be backwards compatible and therefore much of the proprietary practices M$ employs will be dissolved, therefore freeing the developers to move their apps to an open source solution, web devs making web pages using industry standards, and consumers who are still oblivious to the Mac finally start to consider, even switch altogether.

It would actually be pretty interesting to see what would happen if M$ ever had a NeXT. Fortunately, more and more people are not buying the BS and making informed decisions either way, so regardless if whether or not they find something, their empire is in steep decline– and what sweet music it is to mine own ears.

Off topic-- anyone keeping track of Apple's cash reserves? After all this new profit, how bloated are the coffers?

Cash reserves are over $11b.

"...Windows Vista SP1 promises to fix what's known to be wrong within Windows Vista..."

Yeah. Just like the patches. To patch the patch that didn't fix the 2nd patch after the 1rst patch failed to patch the original patch....

Former Mac User, you are full of shit with your lies.

I just went to Dell and configured a E1505 Inspiron Dual Core to closely
match a basic MacBook Pro.

The Inspiron can only go to 2.0 GHz. MBP 2.16

<sigh> My Inspiron has a T7400 cpu @ 2.16 GHz. And I paid $938 for it after promotional discounts, a web coupon, and purchasing it thru our Dell business account at work.

I don't care how many "comparisons" you read on the web. The real world and the people in it don't live and die by comparisons done by PC Mag. Anybody who buys a Dell knows that you can get hundreds off the "list" price if you do your research and find the promotional codes and/or coupons.

Beeeeeeeeep!!! Wrong again, Vista-breath!

So lets go by best deal, your wrong... Dell announced their stopping their coupons. Just because you got a better deal doesn't mean its still available.

I can get discounts off my Apple equipment, plus a free iPod.

What graphics card do you have ? hard drive size, Why doesn't Dell list the 2.16 on their website now?

Apple offers different discounts for edu cusomters as well.

Real world is I get a better machine more features, faster at OS X and Windoze, better made than your piece of crap Inspiron
right this second online at a comparablle price.

Windows XP = A more useful and versatile OS than MAC OS X.

Windows Vista = Utterly superior to MAC OS X.

Get over it, Macboys, there's a reason Windows has 85/90% marketshare.

Go play with your widgets. Just try not to hurt yourselves.

By the time SP1 for Vista comes out everyone will have forgotten about Vista anyways. Why? Because OSX Leopard will have arrived and Apple will show the world what a truly amazing and great experience an operating system can have. Also will have some amazing new features which even now is top secret. I believe leopard will be a giant leap forward and make Vista really look 5 years old like it really is.