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wow i will never get the point of using Apple hardware to debut microsoft products...

Way to go MDN. A huge Microsoft Vista Banner on your top front page. WOW For a website that bashes the WOW. Your jokes write themselves.
You must be getting GOOD money from Microsoft for advertising the WOW of FISTA.
Your credibility has hit another all time LOW. What a sad Apple advocate you make.
Don't delete my opinion of YOU MDN!

Boeing777

Are you an idiot? It's Circut City, fool...

Sorry to be harsh... I'm sick of all the mindless Windoze undead today. (Not necessarily you, Boeing). Vista brought them back to life.

Kinda like puttin' lipstick on a pig.

didn't you mean "debutt" microsoft products, although if you debutt MS products, then there'll be nothing left! Bad joke, I know. I just couldn't help myself.

Translation: Adobe Creative Suite CS2 and Web Bundle are worthy upgrades if you need to make sleeker-looking documents and presentations to share with others because frankly InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Flash will make better docs and since you have to learn a new interface to use Office 2007 you might as well use some real tools.

"Mindless Windoze undead" - what a great phrase!

Use the best tool for the job...

Boeing777,

It's Circuit City that's paying MDN to post their ad, not Microsoft.

So, let me break it down: MDN is not getting money from Microsoft.

That should help you sleep tonight.

Wow...Boeing...READ THE POSTS...IT WAS A CIRCUIT CITY AD..

circuit city! another joke wrote itself just now. And where do you think circuit city gets the money to advertise a Microsoft product? Is Paul thurrot controling this website?

Boeing777,

Man, you're a lost cause. Businesses typically don't get paid to advertise a certain product (under most circumstances). Typically, the business will choose to advertise whatever it thinks will bring business to itself. Seeing as Vista should technically be a "hot seller" they decided to advertise that they have Windows Vista in stock.

Therefore, it's unlikely in this situation that ANYONE would be getting paid by Microsoft.

Good day...

Hmmm. OK, while she is using the 'Book (it looks like a PowerBook to me) as a prop for the video of the review, there is nothing to indicate that she is actually running Office 07 on it. We never see the screen, even though she suggestively turns the computer toward the camera to give that impression.

I think she's just using the laptop as a more esthetic "visual aid", with screen captures from some beige WinDrone PC as the actual "live footage".

Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed by the amount of screen real estate is soaked up by those always in the way "ribbons" that are supposed to make it MS Office easier to use. Did MS forget that drop down menus were invented to make user options accessible when needed?

From the sneak peeks I've seen of Office 2007 for Mac, it appears that the Mac BU at Microsoft resisted the urge to follow blindly in the path of the Vista side of the fence.

AShNazg - I don´t think you are necessarily aware of how advertising works. Ever wonder why you see the intel logo and sound on a computer commercial - because Intel is picking up to 100% of the ad cost.
It´s called a co-op ad.
Same with Microsoft - your company puts Microsoft in the ad - Microsoft will reimbursh the company for x amount of the ad.
All part of Microsoft´s ad plan.
Nothing new and has been going on forever.

P.S. And did you know that some companies pay a slotting fee to make sure their products are placed in certain locations (like eye level) in the grocery store?

@Boeing 777,

Man (if you are, indeed, human), you must REALLY hate Apple, then, because on their official website Apple sells Microsoft Office 2004! OH MY GAWD. Apple, Inc. sending money to Microsoft itself!

OH MY GAWD! OH MY GAWD! THE HORROR! THE HYPOCRISY!

Boeing - you just need to learn to block the ads.

Either edit your /private/etc/hosts file, or get one of the ad blocking software for your browser.

Yeah, MDN has annoying ads. But they've got to pay the bills to bring this to us. With blocking on the most obnoxious ads, it's not bad. When I go to MDN from a public computer, I am reminded of how good I've got it.

Hey, Ashnack, and have you ever heard of product placement????
Ever notice how brand name products are seen in movies or tvshows. They pay to place them there.
And most of the ads on MDN pages aren´t even ads, they are linksynergy associates type bogus ads. MDN gets a miniscule percent if you click on the ad and then buy something.

Comment from: B-Sabre

Hmmm. OK, while she is using the 'Book (it looks like a PowerBook to me) as a prop for the video of the review, there is nothing to indicate that she is actually running Office 07 on it. We never see the screen, even though she suggestively turns the computer toward the camera to give that impression.

I think she's just using the laptop as a more esthetic "visual aid", with screen captures from some beige WinDrone PC as the actual "live footage".

Agreed... definitely NOT a MacBook Pro (look closely and see the gray antennas portals on the back side of the LCD display... that's no longer the case in MacBook Pro (a PowerBook thing)).

And, running Office 2007 on Windows XP on Virtual PC on a PowerBook G4 would probably a) Make the laptop smoke b) Run the cooling fans so hard the laptop would sound like a jet engine c) Not realistically useable for a "live" demonstration d) All of the above.

Given this is unlikely to be the machine the demo was running on, one has to ask, why the Mac laptop to demo Office for Windows? Sounds like a little not so subtle Apple evangelism in action.

Wow! As in Wow, how can 5th graders be allowed to post on this site?... or any site!? It wastes a lot of time in having to scroll through ignorant comments in order to find the decently organized thoughts.

THREADS MDN THREADS for posts. Without it, it just gets far too tiresome to scroll beyond Mr. 777's complete lack of understanding - and the like.

Wow. Now I've got people on my case. lol

Notice I said businesses don't get paid for placing a product in their ads "in most circumstances." I was basically referring to most banner ads since that was what was being discussed and I suppose I should have indicated that.

Ad spots in movies are a completely different topic that certainly doesn't relate to this, so I won't get into that.

And to the "Ad Man". I know how advertising works – I work for an ad agency. I'm almost certain Circuit City's banner ad is not a co-op ad. They're trying to drive traffic to them and doing it the best they know how. In computer commercials where the Intel logo is displayed, typically Intel subsidises the cost, no? I don't think they front the full bill. That's crazy if they do...

And yes, I've taken a trip or two down the cereal isle in the grocery store.

BTW, I'm done with this topic and extend my appolgies to you, Steven, and anyone else who was annoyed with the off topic posts. I didn't know it was going to turn into a fiasco.

HAAHAHHAHA, I didnt get it till I watched the vid... talk about lipstick on a pig!!! aHAHAHAAHAHAH


cnet is stupid. that is all.

attn cnet: stop being a conglomerate and telling all your employees what to say and how to do things. maybe then you wont suck so hard.

AshNag - LOL...work for an ad agency...and you talk like that...LOL. Next you will tell us you workfor Circuit City because you are "almost certain" about its ad budget and plans. You just regurgitated AdMans words.
LOL.

Tiki

"...interface isn't always intuitive..."

Nah, you gotta be kidding me! Microsoft put out some software that isn't intuitive?

Thank you, CNET, for not letting Ina Fried review it. I don't think I can take any more of him/her/it!

Elsa, Elsa...tsk, tsk...want me to kick Robert's ass for ya? Vamos...si!
We don't need him editing your work.

Cool... it's nice to see this stuff works on the MBP. I'm going to do a Vista install on mine, and it's nice to see someone else has their computer up and running this stuff.

Awesome.

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17" MBP Core 2 Duo G
(not the N version)

Dear Boeing777

I guess you are old enough to reach the keys so I will allow the odd multisyllabic word in my reply to your posts...

"A huge Microsoft Vista Banner on your top front page"

"And where do you think circuit city gets the money to advertise a Microsoft product?"

... and your point is?

Do you think it might have been an ad matey? You know I think it might have been. And one that was presumably placed by an automatic ad-placement engine such as google ads...

Its a bugger isn't it. Once you press that enter button you can't take your words back. Still when you feel really really stupid you could always change your name. Have a chat to Zune Tang about that...

ps: Unless of course you are really Zune Tang in disguise? I thought I recognised the style...

Hey does it have parental controls? I heard that Bill Gates was on Oprah describing some really neat microsoft innovation stuff that had never been done in an operating system before - parental control.

apparently he was very excited by it. more excited that he was about that other big innovative squirting thing they do.



oh i know what you are thinking. but if bill says it is new and innovative and never been in an operating system before, it can't be like the parental control thing that Apple introduced way back when... Perhaps it is, but it has a nice brown background or something.

I remember advertisements on MDN for stuff like Widows PCs and Windows software etc, but upon hitting the link you would be taken to an Apple advertisement.

Can not remember this exactly, but i am sure dull was one of the ads, can anyone remember this ploy.

Thankfully here in Australia most of the links tend to be local.

Guys Made a forum for Mac conversation if cool

easier for large chats. http://www.MacSnacs.com

Will not be advertised on Macnn etc or mac sites.


MDN hope this is OK can link to this if wish I can put Ads for

MDN banners.

Ta

AB

"Translation: Adobe Creative Suite CS2 and Web Bundle are worthy upgrades if you need to make sleeker-looking documents and presentations to share with others because frankly InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Flash will make better docs and since you have to learn a new interface to use Office 2007 you might as well use some real tools."

? Sorry Tommy Boy, but most mangers need "real tools" like Excell that offer spread sheets, statistical and analytical tools more than they need "sleeker looking documents". And heaven forbid you actually need to make that presentation on another company's computer - you will find out haw useful power point is.