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Bah! Poop is poop. It can't be polished, dressed up or made pretty.

Gotta love...colossal failure.

"The colossal failure that is Microsoft Windows Vista"

Pwned.

Aug 27, 08 - 01:42 pm Comment from: dogfriend

New job classification at HP, Dell, Sony, et. al:

Turd Polisher - responsible for improving the "Vista" experience by grafting custom software onto a pile of sh!t.

Now all Apple has to do is say to IBM (Lenovo), HP & Sony, now here's a licence for OSX.....

Windows Vista = 'Chrome-plated Turd'

That still cracks me up.


MaWo: 'mother'. As in, 'If necessity is the mother of invention, then wtf happened with Windows Vista?'

ROFL

Aug 27, 08 - 01:52 pm Comment from: Think

If you leave shit alone long enough it turns into a fossil.

Oh wait, Vista already is.

Aug 27, 08 - 01:53 pm Comment from: auramac

Tell it to the folks at Mac 360, a once- respected and beloved (by me) website for Mac users. Sadly, after founder Tera Patrick passed away, there has been a mass exodus- the two remaining part-timers have done nothing lately but complain and trash Apple and its products. One of them, Kate McKenzie, has even bought an HP laptop, and seems to now prefer Vista to Leopard. This is truly a sad day for those of us who used to love the site and still love Apple and the Macintosh experience despite its current growing pains and imperfections- which still do not even minutely make them less superior a choice than the insanely mediocre and aggravating world of Windows. And Tera, I'm sure, would agree.

Aug 27, 08 - 01:54 pm Comment from: Cubert

Tacitus,
Read the history of the Mac clones and you will understand why that will never happen.

Aug 27, 08 - 02:01 pm Comment from: Demon

Poo is Poo...
It all smells.
Even if you dress it up color, pictures and whole new exterior finish.
Sony, HP, Dell and Lenovo can put lipstick on Windows it's still going to smell and crash like Windows.

It time the manufactures created their own. They want to compete then they are going to need to roll their own. This is the Apple Advantage they've been rolling their own from day one. Everyone else forgot how because they let their pusher Microsoft roll for them.

If you what to stay in the game you got to roll your own.

Tacitus writes, "Now all Apple has to do is say to IBM (Lenovo), HP & Sony, now here's a licence for OSX....."

It'll NEVER HAPPEN. OS X makes the Mac, and the Mac makes the money. Why would they give up 30% gross margins on hardware for much lower license revenue?

The only scenario that makes any sense to me would involve teaming up with HP or IBM to sell Apple hardware into the enterprise. Apple might even design an enterprise-only headless Mac just for them, as they once had the eMac for the education market.

@auramac,

Kate McKenzie, and those of her ilk, are simply harlots.

She probably bought a cheap-a** lappy and is now simply trying to justify the fact that she went over to the 'Dark Side' by saying to herself, and others, 'It's not so bad. See all the neat stuff it can do??'

Tera would be ashamed if she were alive today.

Mac OS X is still not ready for mass adoption. Apple is neglecting to fine-tune even their most basic apps, such as the Finder, between major updates. Why can folders only be created at the top-level of a expanded folder tree? Why isn't full file management (create, delete, rename) available from with Open/Save dialogs?

Small incremental improvements, not major improvements spanned a year and half apart, are what will make Mac OS X the best in all respects.

ya, ive definitely noticed this. Dell is doing it now with it's docks, HP with its touch screen interface... sigh.

Aug 27, 08 - 03:12 pm Comment from: SmartyGuy

@auramac
Very well said. I removed their bookmark last week. Ron McElfresh has wrongly characterized the Mac experience for a very long time now. I'm all for fair criticism, but to say they've lost their objectivity is an understatement.

There is no way to "enhance" the Vista nightmare that would make it better. Other than throwin' it out with the trash.

I once put a nice pink bonnet with ribbons on one of my turds. It looked a lot nicer, but it still didn't smell very good.

A pig in a dress is still a pig ! No amount of marketing, including Seinfeld commercials is going to change that FACT. I don't blame PC manufacturers for trying to give their customers a better experience, in spite of the presence of Vista. No doubt MS has some lemmings that will follow them right off the cliff. IE Windows 95, Windows 98, XP, Vista .... need I say more ?

Aug 27, 08 - 03:42 pm Comment from: alansky

Mac OS X is still not ready for mass adoption. Apple is neglecting to fine-tune even their most basic apps, such as the Finder, between major updates. —coolfactor

@coolfactor: If you must be a moron, at least have enough self-respect not to advertise that fact to the whole world.

Aug 27, 08 - 03:47 pm Comment from: 84 Mac Guy

4 words:

Lipstick on a pig.

so why isn't Apple doing even better?

Aug 27, 08 - 03:55 pm Comment from: Chas

@coolfactor

Why the fsck do you want create, delete, rename from Open/Save dialogs? Clue: that's NOT what they're for.

I'll leave you to determine the stupidity of your other comment!

=:~)

Why do you want to Create, Rename, Delete from the Open/Save dialog?...
There are many times I wish those options were there in OS X.

Want to save a file to a folder that does not yet exist?.... why should you have to get out of the dialog, go create the folder separately in the Finder, and then return to the Open/Save dialog, navigate to the folder you just created and then save? Many steps could be avoided if this simple, and available in Windoze since at least XP, feature were added.

"Want to save a file to a folder that does not yet exist?.... why should you have to get out of the dialog, go create the folder separately in the Finder, and then return to the Open/Save dialog, navigate to the folder you just created and then save?"

What? In my OS X Save As dialog box, there's an option to create a new folder without going to Finder separately...

@7over:

Do I miss something? Why not just click the big button labeled "New Folder"?

Aug 27, 08 - 05:01 pm Comment from: scagooch

I had to use Vista for a course and it's sad. It fights the user every step of the way. I use it only under duress.

Aug 27, 08 - 05:03 pm Comment from: BiZarRo BaLlmEr

BUT Windows is SOOO open every MS fanboy states. Also isn't CNET a MS shill?

Aug 27, 08 - 05:25 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ Huh? and elgarak

Nah, you haven't missed anything. A number of applications---that don't follow Apple's User Guidelines---implement their own File Open/Save dialogs. And they do it the wrong way.

But you're completely right: 7over is silly to blame that on Apple.

Aug 27, 08 - 05:44 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

Why isn't full file management (create, delete, rename) available from with Open/Save dialogs?

Uh, because it's an open/save dialog?

Aug 27, 08 - 05:47 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

why should you have to get out of the dialog, go create the folder separately in the Finder, and then return to the Open/Save dialog, navigate to the folder you just created and then save?

I don't think I've ever encountered a "save" dialog that doesn't have a "new folder" option.

Aug 27, 08 - 06:43 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

OPEN/SAVE edit dialog.

"Nah, you haven't missed anything. A number of applications---that don't follow Apple's User Guidelines---implement their own File Open/Save dialogs. And they do it the wrong way.

But you're completely right: 7over is silly to blame that on Apple."

A few things here. There's no reason you should not have a simplified version of the finder in such dialogs. With ability, to find, move, delete, and copy files. The lack of this ability does not improve these dialog boxes. Making them function like a version of a finder window would enhance them.

The inconsistency in part I believe stems in part from Carbon vs Cocoa, where Cocoa apps get certain system wide abilities "for free" such as built in spell check, services menu, etc. It's a further reason Apple just needs to kill off Cocoa and move forward with one consistent framework.

Any inconsistencies that rise from various flavors of app development frameworks are inherently caused by Apple and their "fault".

Aug 27, 08 - 07:15 pm Comment from: Arnold Ziffel

"It is simply impossible to apply chrome plating to a turd."

~Arnold Ziffel

I don't know, guys and girls, I've been to McDonalds.

You dip anything in enough honey-mustard and it tastes pretty damn good.

The solution, poor Windows sufferers, is to dip your PC in a big vat of honey-mustard dipping sauce.

That will make things better.

"Why can folders only be created at the top-level of a expanded folder tree?"

I gotta admit, this one surprised me. You're right, that's very odd.

Not what I'd call a huge deal, of course. Create the folder at the top and drag it where you want it to be.

"Why isn't full file management (create, delete, rename) available from with Open/Save dialogs?"

I sort of agree with the others...

Why do I want to create/delete/rename files in an "Open" dialog. I can see creating folders in the Save dialog, which is why there is a button to create a folder.

One of the differences between Mac OS X and Windows is that it's pretty easy to get back to the Finder to do whatever file management you need. Trying to turn the Open/Save dialogs into a "mini Finder" would be a waste of Apple's time.

"Mac OS X is still not ready for mass adoption."

Ah! That's why Apple labors at a mere 7-8% market share--you can't delete files in the save dialog! That explains it! Why if Apple were to implement this, they'd have 90% market share in no time!

Why, just the other day I heard someone at an Apple Store saying just that. "Sure, these Macintoshes look nice, they're virus free, have simple wireless networking, and have great multimedia software. But if I can't rename files in the open dialog box, forget it! I'll stick with Windows!"

Leave out the hyperbole next time...

ahem you mean carbon, carbon = old Cocoa =new

Aug 27, 08 - 08:15 pm Comment from: Mr. Reeee

Peter...

If you need this stuff, it's called Default Folder X. $35.

http://www.stclairsoft.com/

Otherwise, let's keep it simple for mom and pop and the kiddos.

"Bah! Poop is poop. It can't be polished, dressed up or made pretty."

Its always the smell that gives it away

Aug 27, 08 - 09:17 pm Comment from: MacSheikh

@ auramac
@ Nutcracker

Mac 360 was one of my must-reads during the "Tera generation". With her sad passing, i kinda slowed down my regular visits, but after a while i found Mac 360 to be unrecognizable. It was a sad day when i totally stopped going. Wouldn't be surprised if they changed the name to Windows 360.

Tera was great. And Tera was Mac 360.

Aug 27, 08 - 09:34 pm Comment from: elgruga

Mac 360 is a Windows site masquerading as a Mac site.

The people who run it are obviously selling out to Microsoft as some kind of nasty back-door lets trash Macs on their own site kind of thing.

Kate McKenzie? She is a frickin' complete IDIOT.

Stay away from this fraudulent site, or better still, go there register and trash them.

Aug 27, 08 - 09:38 pm Comment from: ragarcia

because 7over also likes to advertise to the world that he is a moron.

Aug 27, 08 - 10:28 pm Comment from: Arnold Ziffel

@MacSheikh,

You are 100% correct about what used to be Mac360. Tera was it! The ones running it now dishonor and disrespect her on a daily basis. Like you, I used to visit Tera's site frequently, and now I look occasionally and just shake my head.

I emailed Tera a few times, and she always answered me. I miss her presence. Shame on Katie and the other goobers who are running Tera's site into a steaming pile of Vista.

Aug 27, 08 - 10:49 pm Comment from: iDon't

Tera was great. I loved her hair. She personally responded to every email I ever sent her. If there is a heaven she is in it.

Aug 27, 08 - 11:06 pm Comment from: Arnold Ziffel

@iDon't,

Amen!

Aug 27, 08 - 11:36 pm Comment from: MacSheikh

@ iDon't

Amen from me too!

is that they thought they did a great job

Aug 28, 08 - 01:38 am Comment from: auramac

Tera not only e-mailed me but tried to get one of the others to review a product for me- never happened. I am not only saddened by what has become of Mac 360 (right- watch them change it to "Kate's Windows 360"), but the fact that they dropped the ball and very shortly stopped updating "Tera Talks"- there were supposedly hundreds of entries from her journal that were to be posted on a regular basis after her death. I found most everything she had to say thought-provoking and right on. I now feel that the charlatans who briefly took over those sites, then one by one started to drift away, did both her, her fans, and the Mac community a disservice. Yes, I registered a long time ago- I just advised them to shut it down now and get lost, as both Kate and Ron don't seem to have anything positive left to contribute. Hope they both have a blast with their new HP Vista machines.

The Mac360 site has gone from a critical pro-mac site to a pandering Windows fanboy site.

It's a tragedy when someone — someone so very short-sighted — someone like Kate McKenzie — gets to ride the coattails of someone ELSE'S hard work. Like when Eisner nearly destoyed Walt's hard work.

Eyeballs equal revenue. If we don't visit — even to slag her — then she'll have to WORK up her bullsh!t, at a local newsflyer.

For a few Microsoft Zune points — Kate has damaged womens credibility in computer sciences.

We need as many minds as possible in this field. She's deleted 50%.

I find this beyond sad.

She has contributed to the oldest prejudice — for money.

I just checked out Mac360°. Looks like a Mac site mixed with The View. What a load of crap!

Aug 28, 08 - 12:04 pm Comment from: auramac

Check out the dates on some of the articles at Mac 360- even those not marked as "encore." They can't even be bothered to muster up anything new or positive nowadays. And they're misleading- they're posted as being "new." Kate's article, in which she basically "threatens" to switch to her HP and Vista ("I just might!", she says) in lieu of a Mac struck me as an out-of-control temper tantrum by someone having a midlife crisis. And I find it creepy that Ron, her lapdog cohort, exploits his own daughter by posting scantily clad pics of her to lure hits to his own website. I agree- they don't deserve our visits, though I am so sad and angry by what's happened to Tera's baby I'm still venting!

@ 7over
"Want to save a file to a folder that does not yet exist?.... why should you have to get out of the dialog, go create the folder separately in the Finder, and then return to the Open/Save dialog, navigate to the folder you just created and then save? Many steps could be avoided if this simple, and available in Windoze since at least XP, feature were added."

You *can*create folders in Open/Save dialogs.
I do it all the time.
Just because *you* don't know how to use the operating system...