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I can't wait for Leopard!

No one out there on any platform can claim that there is a better deal out there than iLife or iWork. I love and use Keynote all the time to give lectures to residents and medical students. Of course, I get the usual question every time, "how did you do that in PowerPoint?" So, after I educate them that there is PowerPoint for the Mac (and was initially released before the Winblows version), I educate them about Keynote. When I tell them that it is only $40 (now only $27 in iWork '08) vs. $300 for PowerPoint, their jaws hit the floor. "You can do that with a $40 program?!?!?!"

MW: "knew" as in, if the average person out there only knew how bad M$ bends them over, they would insist upon a jar of vaseline packaged into every product they sell!

Wow. Someone out there gave the new iMovie a positive review.

I think I'll wait until after I upgrade to Leopard before getting iWork and iLife '08. I bet there are features that will be "unlocked" by Leopard (ie. need Core Animation).

Computerworld is fairly clueless on iMovie HD and iMovie 08 and the severe *BACKWARD* progress....

oy vey

Does anyone know how the new dock in Leopard will look positioned to the right or left on the Desktop?

I couldn't find anything on Apple.com. I think Steve showed it briefly during the WWDC keynote. I'm wondering how reflectivity and Stacks will look and work if the Dock is vertical.

@Rory
Actually - my wife is an expert with iMovie (she is writing a pretty amazing book about the ease of use to go from raw footage and turn it into a professional "document" with only iLife products) and at first she did not like the new iMovie... but she has used it solid for about 40 hours now - since last week and finds that she actually likes it better then the previous version.

She has discovered all sorts of little hidden features that are not in the old version.

So she is pretty pleased. She thinks that the people who are naysayers haven't used it to any extent and are too lazy to learn new conventions.

Biggest thing is in-process conversion that she used to do with 3rd party programmes.

Oh, BTW - she is also quite proficent with Final Cut Studio 2 - so this is not from someone who is a wannabe in the post-production world.

Cheers.

I have but two bones to pick - Apple's silly decision to lock the iPhoto 08 library is making it very difficult for the unskilled user to upload photos from their hard drive to the .Mac Gallery. When they go to upload their photos, the drop-down Finder window will not allow them access (greyed out), meaning in order to do it they are required to perform an export of the photos they want to the desktop so they can access them there. In this scenario, Windows users and those using iPhoto 06 and earlier have and obvious advantage. Apple needs to fix this ASAP by having the browser based Finder window allow access to the library or even to iPhoto itself.

Also, there are some photos that I want the site visitor to have access to full size versions by download and the Gallery feature automatically dumbs them down to a few KB. If I want to add a full size photo I am required to upload the gallery then add the bigger photos via my browser. Just plain dumb.

Other than these two things, I am immensely pleased with the new iLife 08. It is flat out fantastic.

How is the library locked? You can "Right-Click / CONTROL+Click" the select "Show Package Contents" to view the hierarchy. Or simply right click an image in iPhoto and select Show File. Apple changing the iPhoto library to a package was a great move! Keeps the people who know just enough to get into trouble from fudging up their iPhoto Library by tinkering with the structure. I hope they do this with iTunes and make everything run from one package.

Only problem I've run into with iPhoto '08 is when your library is stored on a FAT32 HD (an external drive I still access from a PC). That causes frequent drop outs in the app when accessing the drive. A quick copy of the library to a Mac OS Extended drive solved that issue for me. Smooth sailing now, and love the new version.

"How is the library locked? You can "Right-Click / CONTROL+Click" the
select "Show Package Contents" to view the hierarchy. "

Yes, but that does absolutely no good when you are trying to select photos from your BROWSER BASED Finder window that you are presented with after you click the icon to upload images. It will not allow you to unlock the library from this window. You might try it yourself before offering useless advice.

Here's something else to try: Create a new email, then click the "Attach" button, then navigate to your iPhoto 08 library and select a photo - you can't. Oh, and by the way, let me know how you succeed with that "Show package contents" method.

Not sure what your issue is here: works fine on my end.

"You might try it yourself before offering useless advice."
I appreciate the professionalism.

"Here's something else to try: Create a new email, then click the "Attach" button, then navigate to your iPhoto 08 library and select a photo - you can't. Oh, and by the way, let me know how you succeed with that "Show package contents" method."

Tried that method as well. Also worked successfully.

MuzoInOz: "but she has used it solid for about 40 hours now"

You really should remind her to sleep, eat and pee.
She'll probably thank you later.

@ No Squirt For You

Dock in new leopard, when it is vertical, still look 3D

reflectivity is same (vertical/Horizontal)

The stacks will be only box type .. No fan type as seen in Horizontal

it's a permissions issue. Download BatChmod and fix the permissions on the folder (including all files inside) or individual file easily.

"Tried that method as well. Also worked successfully."

Well then, I guess Apple has a bug on their hands because it doesn't work on my G5 Quad, my wife's G4 PowerBook, or my inlaws new Intel iMac. It does work on my brother's G4 Tower, but he's running iPhoto 05 and the library for that version is not locked.

@ Don - Thanks, that's good advice. I do realize that access to any file always comes down to permissions but I should not have to use third party modifications to make the files accessible to a finder window that lacks the ability to delete files anyway. Apple needs to fix this fast. They should be openly available to the application file-finder windows but perhaps locked to the main Finder. Until then I think I'll just work around it by exporting to the desktop and selecting my images there.

iMovie 08 is way ahead of iMovie 06.

Far better organisation, far quicker interaction, no rendering and non-destructive editing - what's not to like?

Instead of complaining about iMovie 08, why don't you give it a try?

If you use iMovie 08 for editing and GarageBand for the sound edit - you can make very pro stuff super quickly.

@iMovie 08 folks who think it's great.....

*REMOVING* features that has been in iMovie for *YEARS* makes it better?

sorry, there may be some new features in '08 that are cool - but there simply is *NO EXCUSE* for *REMOVING* features in an 'upgrade'.....

that's what Microsoft does....

sorry, facts are difficult things to deal with - for some folks....

Wish I could find a &%# review of iLife that didn't just crib straight from the press release. Come on people! Use the programs! Tell me stuff I haven't read 16 times already...

A good review. I like that they pointed out the iMovie naysayers while also acknowledging what the new iMovie offers.

They are correct about iPhoto. I did my a review/comparison of iPhoto since I just migrated from a PC and Adobe Photoshop elements to an iMac with iPhoto '08:

PC to Mac: iPhoto '08 Review.

Thanks, Neo.

@Brau

This is not something for Apple to "fix". They put the iPhoto library in a package to keep users from messing with the contents and corrupting their library. As for emailing photos, you do that from iPhoto - select the photo or photos and click the "Email" button. Same for adding them to your web gallery. If you don't like those options, then by all means export out to another folder, and send feedback to http://www.apple.com/feedback

@ AAPLguy

I disagree. While I can certainly use iPhoto to generate email and upload to my own web gallery, the ability for my aging inlaws across town to upload photos to that same gallery is locked out and they are not savvy enough to export anything, therefore it won't happen. They also can't conceive of having to open iPhoto just to mail an email with a picture in it. This is poor design, plain and simple, and it needs fixing.

Ask any older person 40+ with basic computer skills where they stored a file on their computer, and you'll get the same goggly eyed empty look from each one of them! Apple knows what they are doing.

" . . . and you'll get the same goggly eyed empty look from each one of them!"

Which is the perfect time to take their wallets.

You this Iphoto 08 locking the folder up is driving me crazy. I have screwed up my whole library now trying to unlock it. Its the dumbest thing I have seen since I switched to apple 6 months ago. I have been searching the web for a solution. I just wanna be able to upload pictures to myspace and ebay without extra steps. So far Iphoto 08 thumbs down for me.

@ ED - Make sure to leave feedback with Apple at: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html