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Computerworld: Why Apple’s ‘new Newton’ will dominate the small-computer market
Friday, September 28, 2007 - 01:40 PM EST

"Events in the past 30 days lead me to conclude something unthinkable just one month ago: Apple -- yeah, I said it: Apple! -- will ship the first ever successful small computer. Call it the Newton on Crack (or, more accurately, on Mac)," Mike Elgan writes for Computerworld.

"AppleInsider said this week that Apple is working on an updated Newton MessagePad -- basically a big iPod Touch with additional PDA functionality. The Mac OS X Leopard-based mobile mini-tablet PC will be 1.5 times the size of an iPhone, but with an approximate 720 x 480 high-resolution display. The site estimates that the new device will ship in the first half of 2008," Elgan writes.

"If true (and some believe it isn't), this rumor is very good news. If Apple ships an iPod Touch, but with good PIM (personal information manager) functionality, an optional wireless keyboard and good battery life for under $1,000, they win," Elgan writes.

"As I've said before in this space, Apple's iPhone user interface is a glimpse of the future, not only of future Apple mobile computers, but desktops and the future of all PCs as well. It's inevitable that Apple will ship a tablet Mac that works like the iPhone... Right now, the only company with a prayer of succeeding in the small computer space is also the only company that hasn't even shown a prototype -- Apple," Elgan writes.

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Sep 28, 07 - 12:44 pm Comment from: One guy from Finland

MDN Magic Word: Plans as in: We do not know what plans Appple has?

Sep 28, 07 - 12:46 pm Comment from: John Gee

I hope they win with one under $600. smile make that $500.

Sep 28, 07 - 12:49 pm Comment from: KenC

It scares me when Elgan has something good to say about Apple.

Sep 28, 07 - 12:50 pm Comment from: Bad Epson

Bogus setup to make the stock fall.
Why clutter up your lineup when you can
achieve the same thing with software updates to the iPod Touch and the iPhone? BOGUS, I say!!

Sep 28, 07 - 12:54 pm Comment from: Tabasco

Simplicity is what has worked for Apple.
Keep your product line simple, also.
The average sheep won't take the time to distinguish between each product.
Keep it simple, stupid. And, while I'm on a roll, no FM tuner for the iPod...buy it separately.

Sep 28, 07 - 12:57 pm Comment from: Think Newton Reborn

I don't know Always wanted something like the computing hand held slates seen on Star Trek. The iPhone and touch are nice but still a bit small in form factor. Works for some people but not everyone. Give me a touch tablet the width and height of a paperback with wifi and room to see enough of a doc to really edit it and I'm sold.

Not too small, not too big, but just right!

Call it Newton for the marketing and I think Apple will have another winner on their hands.

MDN word "help" is on the way.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:01 pm Comment from: Rene

They'll dominate with a device that isn't even out yet! hahahah

Damn....Apple is the PIMP Daddy.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:04 pm Comment from: coolmac

i hope apple will welcome 3rd party developers just like palm os, winmob and symbian. make the game play just like real mac osx for the mac computer.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:06 pm Comment from: SB Dude

I hope they make it and I hope the call it The Newton.

I was going to buy an iPod Touch just to be able to visit a certain website for work as I was out an about in the city. My only hesitation is that the screen of the iPod Touch is a bit too small for my needs.

This would be perfect, just perfect. Add an email client, an IM client and the other usual suspects and it'd be what the Newton was suppose to be but never could become (due to limitation in available technology, both hardware and software)

Sep 28, 07 - 01:17 pm Comment from: Tabasco

The same people hollering for a Newton are the same people who hollered for a headless Mac...well, you got it, and then not a peep is heard.
Jobs will never call anything the Newton...you folks let the Newton rest in peace. Have any of you realized yet that a tablet is not really what people want.
Now, a much better idea is a 10" Macbook. Think about it!.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:18 pm Comment from: G Spank

It all comes down to Apple's trojan horse - OS X.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:26 pm Comment from: totalMac

I can't imagine Steve allowing the name "Newton" to have a new life. I believe that was a John Scully project.

As for rumored the size, it will be perfect for health-care providers. The old Newton was too big for the pocket of our 'scrubs', while the iPhone is just slightly too small for entering information into browser-based forms. Current generation tablets are also too bulky to be truly portable.

Hopefully this is true, because it will be an exciting platform that will actually work for at least one segment of mobile workers.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:28 pm Comment from: LordRobin

Okay, let's all weigh in. What's the maximum price you'd pay for one of those?

Me? If it's under $1000, I'll get one within a few months after it comes out. If it's under $700, I'll be at the Apple store the day they come out.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:33 pm Comment from: fef

About the name of the device: What do you think about...

the MacPod

? ?

A hybrid of the Mac and the iPod...

Sep 28, 07 - 01:34 pm Comment from: M.X.N.T.4.1.

I think they'll succeed because they'll most likely scale up the iPhone/iPod Touch with more power and the facility to add stuff/features as opposed to the method of other companies who have basically tried to shoehorn everything from the traditional computer environment into a device totally unsuited to it. Desktopss/laptops have only in the last few years become of high enough resolution to really make sense of the whole faux desktop environment which they purport to emulate. A little portable "iNewton" shouldn't be that.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:36 pm Comment from: Spock

I don't think It'll be called the Newton if the rumored product is real. Apple's pretty good about killing products and not raising them from the dead. This rumor comes out every year about this mystical tablet mac or the return of the Newton. Besides the name Mac Nano would be better.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:38 pm Comment from: google_guy

$1,099.99

said many times BEFORE Mike Elgan
and said many times BEFORE AppleInsider.

MacSlate. Preloaded with iWorks 08. Not iLife.
Intangant with Google Cloud Services. To appear Feb24th/2008.

Google's gphone... is the MacSlate. To appear around Jan7th-30th 2008.

Which if preferred - call it the new Newton - fine.
But the name - well - it really matters not.

The orientation of the ARTISTS rendition of the new NEWTON is wrong. There is more of a chin to the MacSlate. Take the left and right sides of the concept from AppleInsider and place them on top and bottom... Then you have it.

gg

Sep 28, 07 - 01:42 pm Comment from: Tabasco

Dream on...the overall market for that kind of tablet is way too small. A 10" Macbook touches the consideration of everybody out there. Apple isn't in business to sell only a million or so units...they are in a market to sell 100 million or so units. Jobs will never put himself in the shadow of anyone, must less Sculley. Sculley's Newton dream(although a good one) really left the rest of the product line hanging and almost killed Apple. Gil Amelio couldn't see anything coming, but Sculley started it all. Should've stayed with the sugarwater.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:43 pm Comment from: fef

I bet it will cost $1099 the first two months.. and then SJ will cut the price down to $699...

This way, the ANALyst will have another excuse to write about the demise of Apple, Enderle will give a 'mixed' review about why the device sucks and is the best thing around at the same time. Forbes and Lyons will go on talking about how Apple is the new Microsoft, 1 or 2 lawsuits about the price drop and/or battery duration will be filed. And in the meantime, I will go on saving the last dime so I can finally get MacPod even though the wife had forbidden me to do so, but when she sees it, she will want one for herself.

Introducing the MacPod. Business as un-usual.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:45 pm Comment from: what?

if apple is begin to work with the new ``newton``,then they should first make it useful to ipod touch and iphone in the network way.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:49 pm Comment from: Dr.DooLittle

Yes, I would imagine ths new device and other devices to dominate the small-computer market... because:

1) SERVICES like Google's Cloud NET. 700Mhz free net.
2) SERVICES from AT&T;to connect to the Google Cloud Net.
3) SOFTWARE from Apple and Third Party using WEB2
4) HARDWARE that is CUSTOMIZED and DESIGNED in tangent to accomidate the SERVICES.

Wait, watch, research the compitition and hatch a innovative well rounded product with well crafted supportive services and you shall dominate the small-computer market.

This is the new APPLE.
Apple Inc.

Same Apple as always. Which shall protect it's products.

The only thing changing for Apple is their direction with their sight and vision to INCLUDE a POST PC market of NEW devices. The iPOD showed the world their is this market... and when done right it can win. The New NEWTON - slate, tablet whatever shall be yet another device which is added to the line of iPHONE, iTOUCH. The true innovation (not invention) is Multi-Touch. And Apple has HEADED the industry FIRST to market with this technology. IT SHALL ONLY GROW!!!!


dd

Sep 28, 07 - 01:50 pm Comment from: I love glossy

1.5 x the size of the iphone? If true, what would be the point of that? How about a multi-touch tablet.

Sep 28, 07 - 01:51 pm Comment from: Grifterus

If you think about an ego thing, there's not way in the world Steve Jobs will use the name of John Sculley's pet project.

But most Newton users love the device. I never used it, but I remember it being very cool, the logo was great, and I don't remember anything not to like. Marketing wise, it could be great to revive the Newton as the next generation of PDAs.

I don't think I'd dislike a new line of Newtons smile

Sep 28, 07 - 02:00 pm Comment from: NO NO NO

Apple will not call this the New Newton.

I don't think Jobs Liked the Newton.
And it has the wrong generalisation and feel of the OLD PDA days.
MacPod - sounds cool. Sure ties in with the media centric-ness cross over device and computer notition.

MacSlate is interesting too. Better then MacTablet.

Still... Apple will NOT use NEW______ whatever... Because next year it is not NEW.

Oh and MacNewtonSlateTablet whatever IS no way GoogleGuy the gPhone. THE gPHONE is the second generation iPhone(Mini) to give the masses 700Mhz wireless access phone service. So yes... it is an Apple AND Google marriage. But this Slate thing is not the gPhone.

YES

Sep 28, 07 - 02:01 pm Comment from: The Velvet Hammer

I already have my Newton... it's Wi-Fi... has iPod features... but we all call it an iPhone.

Sep 28, 07 - 02:13 pm Comment from: Nic

You guys are missing the obvious name; since the Newton product was actually called the Newton MessagePad, update that for the new iEra, and call it the "iPad".

Sep 28, 07 - 02:14 pm Comment from: newton

I think "newton" is a great name for a landmark product and game-changer smile

Sep 28, 07 - 02:24 pm Comment from: Tabasco

Folks, does anyone remember going to Best Buy or CompUSA and seeing the whole section of PDA's?? Go now and you are lucky to see even one or two.
There simply ain't a huge market for these devices compared to the overall consumer market, even in the business world. A Newton type tablet device is NOT going to happen and Steve Jobs is not going to clutter up his "table legs" product line. There is TONS more consumer demand for a sub notebook than a tablet. The tablet has failed. If you want a Mac tablet, then buy a Modbook, folks. A 10" Macbook is the only thing that makes sense for the market as a whole. The iPhone is Apple's tablet PC...anything bigger than your pocket makes any touch screen device inefficient to the whole market. Yeah, it would be great for doctors and such, but there is not a 100 million unit sold device in a bigger than your pocket tablet PC! It is a wonderful dream...but keep dreaming!

Sep 28, 07 - 02:30 pm Comment from: Swordmaker

I think they should name it either MacPad or iPad...

and NO, that is not a feminine hygiene product with internet connectivity...

Sep 28, 07 - 02:37 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

I LIVE in Newton (Mass), and I don't care what they call it. A large tablet/sub-notebook you can compose (type) on, read email on, Google on, listen to tunes on ... and just a tad smaller than a paperback (must fit in my back pants pocket or suit-coat pocket) would be very interesting. Must have at least 30 GB of storage and decent battery life, though - a problematic mix.
If it's a PDA, it's dead coming out of the gate. It needs to run iLife, iWork, Safari and iTunes to gain any traction at all.

Dave

Sep 28, 07 - 02:37 pm Comment from: Ozz

@ I love glossy

YOU GOT IT! That's the only way for a tablet format to make sense! And il would REALLY make sense!

MW: dead, as the stylus IS dead... Multi-touch is the way!

Sep 28, 07 - 02:41 pm Comment from: Spock

You know, while they're at it why don't these people making up all these rumors say that Apple is going to resurrect the PowerCD and the Pippin? Its just as ludicrous.

Sep 28, 07 - 02:55 pm Comment from: Cracker Jack

iNewt®

Thanks for playing.

Sep 28, 07 - 02:56 pm Comment from: mm

Although I think this would be way cool, I still don't think it's gonna happen. Maybe 1 in 10 shot.

Sep 28, 07 - 02:58 pm Comment from: Chris G

More speculation on the Newton:

http://macnewbtube.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/talks-of-the-apple-newton-reborn-touch-screen-mactablet/

Sep 28, 07 - 03:22 pm Comment from: ken1w

Tablet PC without a stylus, instead using the pointing device humans are born with... Those "pad" devices depicted on the later Star Trek shows may have gotten it right.

Sep 28, 07 - 03:41 pm Comment from: Shogun

iPhone was in the works for 3 years. They waited until technology was cheap enough and interface was perfectly honed.

It could be 3 years before the Newt2n. Killer features -- handwriting recognition, typing on screen that correctly guesses the letters you want based on where your fingers are, full Google Cloud Suite, folds open to a single flat panel with screen on both sides, folds shut to fit in pocket.

Sep 28, 07 - 03:42 pm Comment from: Shogun

"Newt2n" is mine. Pay me cash if you use it.

Sep 28, 07 - 03:53 pm Comment from: Peter

Second vote for the "Mac nano." It's a small Macintosh, not a big iPod.

And I also think that Apple would be the one to make this product category huge. To use a rash generalization, Tablet computers are for risk takers. Risk takers use Macintoshes, not Windows. Therefore, these people aren't interested in Tablets running Windows.

That said, people who use Tablets love them--I have yet to hear much for complaints (and those that do basically say the problems are with Windows, not the concept). The ones I've talked to are almost as bad as Mac users in regards to their evangelism. So I do believe there might be something worthwhile there for Apple to explore, even though sales have so far been modest.

It's something "different" and, let's face it, Windows users aren't known for liking that whole "Think Different" attitude.

Sep 28, 07 - 04:16 pm Comment from: January 24, 1984

Size is not that important - in fact, the iPhone is perfect. Screen density is the key. Enough for a document, enough for a webpage.

The turning point happens with facility. Can I lookup a fact in under 30 seconds. Can I read, and edit a ful-size document?

AAA - anything, anywhere, anytime.

Sep 28, 07 - 04:24 pm Comment from: totalMac

I wonder how much demand there is for a 10 inch Macbook (or whatever). It's too big for a pocket or small purse. So you still need a larger bag to carry it in. If that's the case, why not just use a regular Macbook.

I think there could be significant demand for something like this device (1.5 times touch interface device) in business environments. I know that in health care, we could use the heck out of it if we could run electronic medical record and medical order entry systems on it. Palm/Blackberry is currently dominant, but too small. And no one wants to carry a laptop around on rounds. Not even a 10 inch laptop. You have to be able to put it in a big pocket.

Sep 28, 07 - 04:28 pm Comment from: tt

It will dominate becuase everything similiar completely sucks.

Sep 28, 07 - 04:48 pm Comment from: hopeful harry

Apple is bringing out a new main board for the 12" PowerBook with a big CPU upgrade in it, which will be available to existing 12" owners before the new newtons are released. The keyboard works just fine, it's designed for TOUCH typists with ten fingers. Anyway, the 12" ones are already in short supply on eBay. What I like best is the 4:3 screen which gives more vertical real estate, and it plugs into a big monitor to watch movies anyway. Just give me a better CPU for my PowerBook and sell it for the same price as a new MacBook and watch people upgrade.

Sep 28, 07 - 05:27 pm Comment from: Spock

Here's the best name for it: Newtonstein... Its alive!

Sep 28, 07 - 06:46 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ GG & DD

Very likely correct, I think. I have a feeling this is going to be very big.

Sep 28, 07 - 08:28 pm Comment from: doc

You bet yer sweet ass it is. grin

Sep 28, 07 - 08:33 pm Comment from: doc

@totalMac
you wrote:I can't imagine Steve allowing the name "Newton" to have a new life. I believe that was a John Scully project.

You are right. It will called the Meow!ton and the ads will have Tom Jones singing "What's New Pussycat".


Sep 28, 07 - 08:58 pm Comment from: g

Am I the only artist who wants a tablet to draw on? I think not.
Sketches is the only app on the iPhone that really trips my trigger...

Sep 28, 07 - 10:24 pm Comment from: Darth Avenus

I hope Apple has learned a key Newton lesson by looking at the Palm. The form factor cannot be too big! Instead it must remain pocket-sized! Oh, and toss in full Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and GPS. If appropos, call the new PDA "Mac nano".

Sep 29, 07 - 12:33 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ doc

That's my line. ;P

Sep 29, 07 - 01:07 am Comment from: Long Beach

@Dr.DooLittle

poetry to my ears, you make me swoon into my tears of joy

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