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hmmmm...... i doubt apple will let them develop as it would drive down minutes but you really never know

Wha ja?? What the faa?

No, I imagine that time online probably counts as "minutes" too. In one way or another

Being online is not minutes. It's a monthly fee for data.

For EDGE, I'm assuming it's either $15 a month unlimited, or subsidized completely ($180 per year). 3G is considerably more, so I'm okay with the cheaper option along with wifi.

Why in the hell does Apple care about the cost of minutes?

What about iChat?

It makes sense to be able to use iChat on iPhone with a broadband connection. Does anyone know if this will be possible?

No, time spent on Jajah won't count towards minutes if the connection is made via the WiFi that the iPhone has built in.

It seems to me that Apple has a long-term strategy for screwing up Cingular. They'll use the telco to enter the market and then later will take-off by themselves, letting Cingular eat dust.

I agree with Macula.

Steve would not make a dramatic introduction of a new product like the iPhone, suggesting it's as revolutionary as 1984, if it isn't going to have "unforseen," long-term impact.

Obsolescence of the cellular industry is something of that magnitude.

Embrace and extinguish. Textbook.

From what I read, they are only talking about wanting to develope for the iPhone. No confirmed development platform available from Apple though.

I'd love to see this work out.

Seems to me that there will have to be some under the hood things that Apple needs to put in place to allow this.

On a computer, the sound is automatically routed to the speakers in the sound prefs. And the mic is also so chosen.

Not sure that the iPhone will automatically make this connection from its web browser to the phone's speaker and mic circuitry. The basic phone will have to recognize that the audio in/out that normally is associated with the phone part should also be shared with the browser application.

Am I just an idiot here? (Yes, I'm an asshole, but can be right once in a while)

How about voice memos? Do people still use those, or is it all text entry?

That requires the microphone routed into an application.

Of course it's supported. Any device with an html browser can use jajah.

1.Go to their website
2.Sign in
3.Make a call

The lack of program to download is what makes jajah so great.

Yes. Yes. I've seen this done before.
Wal Mart did it to Tom Thumb before there were Supercenters.
It's all becoming clear...

This is the greatest of news!!!!!!!!

for me and alot of people who do not live in the States,

I travel from Mexico to the States 4-5 times a year, and was getting an iPhone for the cell part when in the States, and just to play with the rest of the time, cingular charges 59 cents a minute in Mexico.

I am angered and terrified.

Skype Killer?
Skype Video calls to family in US from Japan- Free
Skype calls to US landline and cell phones from Japan .02 cents
JAJAH: 5.5 yen to 18 yen / 5 cents / 16 cents

Still a little expensive.

From what I can tell, jajah still depends on the cellular, not the wifi connection. Its servers call your cellphone and the party you want to call. This means --- airtime. So I think this is still going to cost you minutes.
Skype, on the other hand, if built in, would use data traffic not airtime. So, no wonder that Apple & Cingular/ATT went with the airtime-using 'solution'?
I do wish this is wrong, and that one day, there will be an iphone with true voip capability.
In sum, I think macula and madmac are confusing the way jajah works with the way skype works.

on the other hand:

1. jajah does work with any modern mobile that has internet capability as long as you have a GPRS connection.
2. on yr mobile: you go to the jajah website via GPRS. yr login account info is uploaded to jajah along with the number you want to call. any number in the world, land line, mobile line, anywhere.
3. GPRS connection closes (therefore no web/data/packet charges other than the brief GPRS session listed in number 2)
4. jajah rings yr mobile fon. you answer and you are talking to the other party.

rates: not as low as skype. but then again, i cant get skype to work on my fon, can you?

if you are roaming in a foreign country, this jajah solution is the way to go.

advantage is simplyt you are able to use yr own mobile, not yr computer to call at reduced rates.

apple chose jajah since it is mobile handset based. simple.

on the other hand:

1. jajah does work with any modern mobile that has internet capability as long as you have a GPRS connection.
2. on yr mobile: you go to the jajah website via GPRS. yr login account info is uploaded to jajah along with the number you want to call. any number in the world, land line, mobile line, anywhere.
3. GPRS connection closes (therefore no web/data/packet charges other than the brief GPRS session listed in number 2)
4. jajah rings yr mobile fon. you answer and you are talking to the other party.

rates: not as low as skype. but then again, i cant get skype to work on my fon, can you?

if you are roaming in a foreign country, this jajah solution is the way to go.

advantage is simplyt you are able to use yr own mobile, not yr computer to call at reduced rates.

apple chose jajah since it is mobile handset based. simple.

their prices are too high. 24 cents for mobile to mobile (us to italy)? rip off. Skype is 2.1 cents regardless if it's a landline or mobile to mobile (us to Italy)

I'm happy, calls between Mexico and States 5.2 cents a minute vs cingular 59 cents a minute roaming

http://blog.jajah.com/index.php?/archives/158-JAJAH-Kills-Roaming.html

Forgive me if I'm confused. Doesn't seem like it's true VOIP the way I'm used to it. You call a number, then JaJah calls your phone, then they call number you want to contact. You answer, then wait to be connected, then you talk. Can you use this for purely computer to computer talking? Must you have a cell connection or a landline number to use this service? That's not very convenient if you're traveling overseas. Seems to work differently from Skype. I think I'd rather have a Skype widget and avoid the Cingular side altogether. I went to their website--it's not very clear how it works. Can anyone explain it like I'm in kindergarten? VOIP on the iPhone would be awesome.

Jajah is not VOIP but rather internet telephony. Jajah works with any regular land-based or cellular telephone. For cell phones air time is a factor for Jajah calls just like any other call. It won't be any different for the iPhone other than you'll be able to initiate a Jajah call from the iPhone rather from a computer.

Voice of Reason

"It won't be any different for the iPhone other than you'll be able to initiate a Jajah call from the iPhone rather from a computer."

and avoid 59 cent roaming and cingulars long distance charge.

and you will be able to use anywhere you have cell service, not just wifi

I was hoping for VOIP , but this seems better.

The only way it would work well is if you had unlimited incoming calls with your cinqular plan.

I have that with my fido plan in Canada. me wonders if Rogers will offer unlimited incoming with iphone. methinks with jajah, probably not.

Dream on, people. You won't be able to avoid roaming charges if you expect to make the call on your iphone itself. Here it is from the Jajah blog (the link given a few comments earlier):

Now with JAJAH Mobile, you are able to enter two numbers. The number you are calling ****and the number of a nearby local landline, like your hotel room, or a local mobile phone****. Jajah then connects the two phones you've listed.

So if you'd give your own iPhone number, you'd be on the hook for the regular roaming charges. I guess this is just marginally better than asking someone on the street to borrow their phone outright?

some clarification:

1. jajah can be, and usually will be after initial set up, initiated on yr handset.

2. roaming charges are totally eliminated IF your carrier only charges you for outgoing calls: heres why: with jajah both the orignator and the receiver of the call BOTH are on the receiving end of the call.

3. the ONLY charge you need to pay to yr carrier is the split second packet/data uploading via GPRS that iniates the request to jajah to make the call.

4. calls to jajah registered users in the same country grouping is free.

5 calls to non-jajah registered fones or calls for certain calls made between mobile and land lines are charged a much cheaper per minute charge than typical international roaming charges . jajah is not stupid: they have priced their plan very well in terms of marketing their service. yes skype is cheaper, but unless you have a very specialized smart fon, you cant use skype on yr fon. very few of you have skype applet on ur fones. jajah also has obviously studied the roaming charges that international carriers charge, as the jajah charge is between 50% and 70% reduced from these charges (according to my quick survey of several Asian based carrier plans).

i have already given my staff in china and hk to install jajah on their fones immediately.