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"Apple's [products] outclass its competitors by a wide margin."

Yes, we Mac users have been saying that for years.

Welcome to the party.

MaWo: 'stock'. As in, 'I'd better get some more...'

Oh, and btw...

Where's Ed Colligan now???

Hahahahahaha...

Jul 15, 08 - 12:24 pm Comment from: Jubei

Krakow just wrote a report that battery life sucks. Guess he doesn't read PCMag who did the testing and shows iPhone has the best battery life.

Jul 15, 08 - 12:48 pm Comment from: fastmemory

The fact that the IPhone's battery is better than its competitors is not the point to the people complaining about its battery life. It doesn't matter if it lasts a 1,000 times longer; the point is that the battery can not be user-replaced on the fly for continued daily use.

This complaint is not one I have, but to a person heavily using the phone for business, this is a legitimate concern.

Why does this bogus complaint keep cropping up? There are external power sources available for the iPhone. They plug into the dock connection. For business travelers, this is not a problem. They just need to carry an external battery(s).

It's a stupid argument. Who runs around carrying spare batteries in their pockets anyway? Just plug the iPhone in while you're at your desk at work, or with your car charger when you're out driving around. It's not that damn difficult to figure out.

Jul 15, 08 - 01:18 pm Comment from: fastmemory

@JohnLee and RC:

Absolutely. Why gripe when there are solutions? As I mentioned, it's not a problem I have, but there are ALWAYS going to be people that either are too dumb to seek out a solution, or more likely like to complain, or are on the M$ dole.

The only reason that battery life is a problem with the iphone is due to the fact that you use it ALL day long instead of just once in a while. My iphone is in use almost more than it is not. I have my dock on my desk at work, a car charger in my car and my old ipod charger at home so I never seem to run out of battery and my phone is always with me.

Jul 15, 08 - 01:28 pm Comment from: Cubert

@RC,
EXACTLY!!! I don't know anyone who has a spare battery for their phone - dumb or smart (and boy is my phone dumb!)

@ Fanboiz

I travel a great deal and ALWAYS have 2nd batteries for both my cell and laptop, specifically because power is usually NOT available.

The complaint is valid, whether or not it affects you. They need to allow secondary batteries.

Jul 15, 08 - 01:44 pm Comment from: gzero

@fastmemory,

I've used my Sony Ericsson k700i as my "business" phone since 2004, everyday . It's always on, it serves as my mobile email machine (when my laptop isn't near me), music player, camera and dictaphone. I have yet to need a replacement for the stock battery.

The only legitimate argument for wanting a replaceable battery for a cell phone is wanting a bigger battery. Older Nokia cell phones for example were notorious for having weak batteries, requiring one to buy an extra battery as a replacement. Price gouging at it's finest...

There was a recent stat that showed that approx. 94% of cell phone users never replace their batteries.

There are several options for plug in external battery options. I actually have a Solio solar one that store enough power to completely recharge my iPhone. Kensington also has a small one as well.

I came here to say that. Plug it in at work -- you're sitting at a desk. If you don't like the plug, get a dock and use that. Plug it in in the car. More and more cars are coming with dock connectors that will charge, or you can buy a 3rd-party one like I did -- lets the iPod (including touch) be controlled by the head-unit and charges at the same time. What do you know!

So we all agree that the battery argument is a non-starter. So let's forget about it and move on with our lives, wonderfully enhanced by this spectacular, paradigm shifting device. I felt strange standing in line for 6 hours at the Apple Store on Friday until I realized that there were people all over the world doing it. I felt linked to them somehow.

Let's face it folks; this is the biggest product role out since H2O.

Jul 15, 08 - 02:15 pm Comment from: Woody

@ MeanGuy. Apple don't "need" to do a damned thing. If you don't like the iPhone, I hear there are plenty of Crackberries on ebay about now. Have fun!

Jul 15, 08 - 02:23 pm Comment from: Randian

@ Mean Guy

"They need to allow secondary batteries." NO, they DON'T! What YOU need is to stay as far away from the iPhone as you can get. Period. It's just that simple. Don't like = Don't buy! Do the math! Instaed, buy a Treo, dude! Buy a Blackberry! BUY SOMETHING ELSE! And get over it. (Sure hope the stock can stand your not purchasing.)

The problem with carrying 2 batteries is keeping them both charged as there isn't a convenient way to charge them as you have to put them in the device to charge. This is why an external battery works much better as you can charge both at the same time. I don't have time to swap batteries and make sure they are both charged.

How do you keep all those batteries charged? Sounds like a pain in the ass

Jul 15, 08 - 02:35 pm Comment from: MobileAdmin

What's funny is the few Iphone users we now have write me and ask why the battery doesn't last long. Folks .. welcome to ActiveSync .. probably the worst thing Apple could've done to the iphone.

Anyone who is a road warrior / power user knows the benefit for having an extra battery .. it's a valid point.

As any road warrior knows PLUG IT IN while on the road

Jul 15, 08 - 02:37 pm Comment from: Petey

Apple to the world:

"Welcome finally to the best pc and mobile experience ever"

"What kept you away for so long?"

I plug my iphone into my cigarette lighter to charge it when I'm in the car or into my computer to charge it when I'm at a coffee shop or on the road somewhere. Since it charges in any wall outlet, cigarette lighter, or USB port you can find, it's really no problem to keep it juiced.

I tried mine with a cigarette lighter and it melted the plastic - then I used the power port in may car and it was just fine.

So is the TSA allowing you to carry extra batteries on planes now?
That the iPhone does not have a removable battery is a positive attribute. After the next scare it may be the only phone allowed on airplanes.

I work all over western Canada. Believe it or not, there is electrical power everywhere I go. Wall plug-ins, car plug-ins, ubiquitous power is available for any cell phone.

Unless you walk through the wilderness between business meetings, you do not need to lug around a second battery. Anyone who says you do is an idiot.

All good reports across the board, stock tanks, yep makes lots of sense. One day the SEC will get their heads out of their asses and investigate what is going on here to Apple, as well as many other company's. Maybe by 2030 or so, if that soon.

Actually the SEC are all in line for an iPhone

THEY DO HAVE SPARE BATTERIES FOR THE IPHONE!

BUY THE FRICKIN BATTERY PACKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE!

SEE IT, BUY IT, USE IT and shut the fuck up.

Jul 16, 08 - 10:22 am Comment from: ElderNorm

@Shifty,
"My iphone is in use almost more than it is not. I have my dock on my desk at work, a car charger in my car and my old ipod charger at home so I never seem to run out of battery and my phone is always with me."

But it works for you cause you are SMART.

You see DUMB people just cannot figure out that you need to ......... ahhh.......... put gas in the car (on a regular basis) to drive............. not just once when they buy it. LOL

I guess that since ...... er...... most of us are pretty smart about intelligent use of Apple products, we need to remember that the DUMB people of the world will still be DUMB even if they switch to Apple products. Its a sad but true fact of life.

However, at least they will be HAPPIER ..... Dumb people.

Just a thought.

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