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Apple’s QuickTime-based iTunes shows massive growth, to pass RealPlayer soon
Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:08 AM EDT

"Podcasting is taking off, according to recent data from Nielsen//NetRatings and Apple. Unique users of Apple's iTunes player passed QuickTime in mid-2005, and at current growth rates iTunes should pass RealPlayer by mid-2006. People are tuning in over twice as long with iTunes than with RealPlayer or Windows Media Player," WebSiteOptimization.com reports based on Nielsen//NetRatings research.

"Despite its late entry into the streaming media arena, Apple's iTunes player is climbing the charts faster than its competitors. iTunes has eclipsed QuickTime in unique users, and should pass RealPlayer in mid-2006 at current growth rates. Only Microsoft's Windows Media Player will have more unique users than iTunes. In mid-2006 Microsoft's player will have about 80 million unique users, while iTunes will have just under 30 million," WebSiteOptimization.com reports. "iTunes is used over twice as long as its nearest rival RealPlayer (111 minutes versus 46.4 minutes per person, or 2.4 times as long). Besides iTunes, RealPlayer is the only other player surveyed to show growth in usage over the last three years. QuickTime and Windows Media Player are losing mindshare among users."

Streaming Media Players - Unique Users 2006 (Source: Nielsen//NetRatings)

1. Windows Media Player - 71,112,000
2. RealPlayer - 28,687,000
3. Apple iTunes - 18,568,000
4. Apple QuickTime - 12,817,000

Full article with charts here.

MacDailyNews Take: As iTunes is QuickTime-based, adding the Nielsen//NetRatings for both QuickTime products puts Apple's solution ahead of RealPlayer already, 31,385,000 to 28,687,000. That's a lot of Krispy Kremes! Now, these Nielsen//NetRatings QuickTime numbers are always strange to us. Apple, on June 6, 2005, stated that "nearly a billion copies" of QuickTime have been downloaded all-time. Still, by whatever measure, QuickTime use is obviously rising rapidly and those media outlets that insist on streaming in the limited choice of either Windows Media or Real need to rethink their delivery choices. Why would any company that offers online video provide content playable in the third place player and not the second place player that's growing more rapidly than all others?

We encourage our readers to write to online content providers that offer only Windows Media and/or Real and ask that they include QuickTime. Based on the Nielsen//NetRatings report alone, they should already have done so long ago.

Let's use the Reader Feedback below constructively by identifying online video providers that should be providing the QuickTime choice and providing contact information. We'll start:
The Beeb (BBC): offers only choice of Windows Media Player or RealPlayer. Contact info (online form): http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml

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Mar 16, 06 - 10:41 am Comment from: NB HK

Hey wake up BBC in the UK! Real is dead meat... QT is the future

Mar 16, 06 - 10:47 am Comment from: CNN too

CNN videos are also Windows Media Player only.

Send feedback to:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form9a.html

Mar 16, 06 - 10:53 am Comment from: Let's do it!

CBS News offers only WMP or Real.

Contact: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml

Mar 16, 06 - 10:55 am Comment from: Kevin Hicks

Nashville Star, a country version of American Idol on the USA Network, now offers downloads from the show - but only for Windows based PCs.

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/nashvillestar/downloads/music/index.html

Mar 16, 06 - 11:22 am Comment from: r_y_a_n

All installs of iTunes require QuickTime.
iTunes is basically QuickTime with a different UI, so how can QuickTime be behind iTunes?

Still good to see Apple doing well in this area.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:22 am Comment from: moiety5

As I've said on here in the past, NPR used to stream in Real Player and QuickTime until just about the time Microsoft became one of their major sponsors. I don't know if they still sponsor NPR but . . .

http://www.npr.org/contact/

Mar 16, 06 - 11:24 am Comment from: Macs King

Real sucks for real!

It would sure be nice if Apple would reverse engineer WMV and add compatibility to QT.

On the other hand it looks like Windows itself will become the ultimate compatibility translator for Mac users, just please make it VPC not dual boot.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:29 am Comment from: Russell

iTunes is not really a streaming content solution for online news websites and things like that. Yes, you can use it, but it's not practical.

Which means the competitors add up to close 100 million with Quicktime at 12 million. That's not exactly proof that website should've added Quicktime support "A long time ago", especially since RealPlayer is essentially cross platform just as much as Quicktime.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:38 am Comment from: Kool

Dutch public television: all Windows Media, most Real, nothing QuickTime.

http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/

Mar 16, 06 - 11:39 am Comment from: Dave H

I demand QuickTime. QuickTime for Linux that is. At the moment Real is the only solution that everyone can use. Apple coulc change that by taking QuickTime and iTunes to our penguin friendly cousins.

Then we could lobby Real right out of the equation.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:39 am Comment from: Sum Jung Gai

This doesn't make any sense. Can somebody clarify? EVERY SINGLE iTunes installation has QuickTime installed. Not every QuickTime installation has iTunes installed. So how can iTunes have more users than iTunes?

They must mean something different by "Users of QuickTime" than simply "people who use QuickTime." Color me mystified.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:40 am Comment from: Will

OK, it is a tiny country when it comes to population but one of the richest in the world all the same - Norway - and its public service; Norwegian National Broadcasting or Norsk Rikskringkasting - NRK - only uses Windows and has some lame excuses for doing so; because most people use it! What about quality issues?

http://www.nrk.no/

Mar 16, 06 - 11:47 am Comment from: anonymous

The Neilson/Netratings numbers only count the use of QuickTime on the web using the QuickTime Player. They aren't able to count the use of QuickTime when it is player in a browser.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:52 am Comment from: tank

I wonder what the stats are for the Flash Videos. I've been seeing more and more of them.

Mar 16, 06 - 11:56 am Comment from: podboy

42 million iPods sold (at least) - each comes with iTunes.
Is my math wrong or are these figures a bit low?

Mar 16, 06 - 11:57 am Comment from: M. T. MacPhee

http://discoverychannel.ca

WMP only, and usually broken for the Mac. I have discussed this at length with them. They don't get it. "Everybody uses Windows." "We have no money to so anything else or anything more."

Mar 16, 06 - 11:58 am Comment from: Paul

Boo on MDN!!

heavily censoring posts here, like that's really going to stop people from posting what they want, in fact it might even compound things even more.

The BBC and CBS really don't care about what email people send in, they look at hit traffic, browser specifics and costs in their decision making.

If you really want to do something, set up a script to visit their sites in Safari or set it as your home page.

Mar 16, 06 - 12:02 pm Comment from: M. T. MacPhee

http://discoverychannel.ca

Forgot to mention. The only way to winge seems to be through the forums, which are accessible from the menus at the top of the page.

Mar 16, 06 - 12:02 pm Comment from: Geo

At this point, the QuickTime numbers may be partially representative of the old OS 9/ pre-OS X v10.2 user base. If accurate, these numbers also may indicate why so many media companies don't bother posting QuickTime versions of audio and video clips on their Web sites...

MDN: Regarding your conclusion "...by whatever measure, QuickTime use is obviously rising rapidly..." How do you deduce this from the numbers?

iTunes use is rising rapidly (and with it, QuickTime use). But these numbers appear to indicate that use of the QuickTime Player are stagnant -- and at at the very bottom of the pile compared to the Real Player and the Windows Media Player.

Mar 16, 06 - 12:07 pm Comment from: Macaday

Funnily enough I had a pop at the BBC the other week about this. I don't have their reply now but they said it would not be cost effective for them to do it. What peed me off was the declining quality of the Real service. It's getting worse by the day.

On Quicktime for PC's, I know a number of people who have complained about it because it 'takes over their PC'. I hope Apple now have it loading on a PC with as little fuss as iTunes does...

Mar 16, 06 - 12:07 pm Comment from: Geo

"... It would sure be nice if Apple would reverse engineer WMV and add compatibility to QT..."

See http://www.flip4mac.com/

Mar 16, 06 - 12:35 pm Comment from: Jamie

I've been bugging Comedy Central for a year or so -

their "motherload" of videos always says it only runs on PC's with windows in such an such a version.

Although some clicking around makes things work anyway, you'd think that such an "anti - Politically Correct" station would be less PC in their web content.

And with the new Podcasting of the daily show and others on itunes, I'd expect things to change . . .

J

Mar 16, 06 - 12:40 pm Comment from: Geo

I just tried to play CBS evening News videos for the first time after installing Flip4Mac WMV Player, which Microsoft officially recommends as a replacement for Windows Media Player. Until now, it's worked flawlessly, WMV Player would not play CBS News videos, and Real Player no longer works either. Here's the complaint message I sent to CBS News:

Videos like the one below are not playing at all on my 2005 Apple Mac PowerBook. Mac OS X (v10.4.5), Apple Safari (v2.0.3/417.9.2):
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=eveningnews

A couple of months ago, these files played fine using either the Real Media or Windows Media Players.

Installed Players
- Windows Media Player (v9 for Mac)
- Flip4Mac WMV Player (v2.02.10) (Microsoft-recommended)
- Real Player (v9 for Mac)
- Apple QuickTime 7.04
- Apple iTunes (with QuickTime)
- DivX and assorted other players

You guys need to stay ahead of the fast moving curve here. Why isn't this working? Where is iTunes/iPod support? iTunes is now growing faster than any traditional player on the market and is projected to pass Real in mid-2006 Player by mid-2006.

Mar 16, 06 - 01:07 pm Comment from: ndelc

A few things:

1. I, too, find it odd that iTunes and Quicktime are separated since it's really just Quicktime playing in iTunes, but I guess I understand.

2. I wonder how flip4mac (which is a phenomenal product BTW) will factor into Nielsen's future ratings. Who will get the point, QT or WMP?

3. As it stands now, Windows users must download iTunes to get Quicktime. I think this is a mistake. I recently added some Quicktime movies to my company's website with a link to download QT, and we caught hell from our customers who didn't want iTunes. Many of them did not use their computers for music and didn't want to go through the hassle or give up the drive space. I ended up re-encoding as MPEG so it would work in WMP too, but I really wanted to give Apple the extra installs. I think Apple needs to go back to having a separate QT-only install.

Mar 16, 06 - 01:25 pm Comment from: YoYo

It would help in EU/ MS Media Player battle if the courts would just make it mandatory to each broadcaster to support the 3 major players. It would cost some money but that is money that MS should pay out.

Mar 16, 06 - 01:56 pm Comment from: QuickTimeKirk

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
Is the link provided by the proper html code used to embed QT content. As the page loads it detects the OS of the visitor and redirects to either a Windows or Mac download.
Removing the check marks (no need to include your email address) or clicking on the "Stand Alone" installer link (on both the Mac and Windows pages) is a user option that shouldn't be overlooked.
If you don't want iTunes you can still install just the QuickTime Player.

Mar 16, 06 - 02:36 pm Comment from: r_y_a_n

Weather.com is only Real or Windows Media for their video feeds, they are accepting feed back at this link:

http://premium.parature.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?deptID=1783&surveyID=1056&type=web

Mar 16, 06 - 03:09 pm Comment from: effwerd

MacDailyCrusade

Mar 16, 06 - 03:22 pm Comment from: ndelc

Awesome, thanks Quicktime Kirk! I must have missed that link.

Mar 16, 06 - 05:37 pm Comment from: lantzn

QT for Windows

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html

Mar 16, 06 - 06:43 pm Comment from: Tezza

On the BBC website I sometimes click on a news item, and am then prompted to select from Windows or Real. At this point I exit the site hoping that their stats will record my dissatisfaction with their choice. Am I wasting my time? Perhaps we should all be doing this on a regular basis to really skew their stats and hopefully they will realize it is a QuickTime choice we want.

Mar 16, 06 - 07:41 pm Comment from: Rainy Day

All Classical is unRealMediaPlayer only. :-(

http://allclassical.org/

Mar 17, 06 - 01:01 am Comment from: 3rdKidney

I agree. Apple should continue to offer QuickTime for Windows as a separate download without iTunes. I could see some logistical reasons why they might not, but if I had to install a bunch of MS stuff I didn't want on my system just to get WMP, then I'd pass on WMP also.

Sure Apple saves some and expense by concerning themselves with one catagory of pc user and not having to worry about three different catagories of PC users ( ie. 1. those that want QT and iTunes; 2. those that want iTunes but already have a old copy of QT; and 3. those that don't want iTunes and only want QT). This keeps their iTunes/QT software updating system simple.

Anyway, can't PC user simply download and install the Quick Time for Windows 7.02 update offered on the Software Update site or do you need QT on your machine to run the update?

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime702forwindows.html

It's at version 7.02. The mac version is at ver 7.03. Do our version numbers track between the two platforms? I'd be curious to know which version of QT is included with the latest version of iTunes for PC.

Mar 17, 06 - 11:52 am Comment from: Suicidal Gingerbread Man

If only iTunes wasn't such a freakin' huge download. Its massive.

Mar 18, 06 - 11:29 am Comment from: me

Dalls/Fort Worth news station http://www.NBC5i.com shows HER video clips in WMA format with no choice for Real, Qt, or anything else.

Perhaps one additional comment to make when writing is to note that QT Pro (which I own for $29.95) offers a quick "save for iPod" ability what allows a commuter (like on the Dallas-Fort Worth linking TRE train) to watch news clips or what have you as they travel.



Mar 28, 06 - 05:14 pm Comment from: Chris

The Food Network website, FoodTV.com, has great videos whick teach cooking techniques and food preparation, but, alas, only run with Windows Media! Contact them with this link and ask they support QT:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/about_us/text/0,1904,FOOD_9777_9310,00.html

Mar 30, 06 - 06:47 pm Comment from: Chris

I contacted NPR.org and here is the response I received:

Good afternoon.

For several years, NPR.org offered some of our audio in QuickTime, but in 2003 the arrangement between Apple and NPR expired. Apple and NPR have tried to work out the terms to renew that arrangement, but were unable to come to an agreement. It doesn't reflect on Apple's technology -- business and legal issues alone have led to this outcome.

NPR.org continues to support Macintosh users with RealAudio and WindowsMedia streams for all programs produced by NPR. You can find more information at:
http://www.npr.org/help/

Also, many NPR member stations offer their FM signals -- which normally include many of the NPR programs streamed on NPR.org -- on the Web in a number of different audio formats, including Quicktime. You can find local NPR stations at:
http://www.npr.org/stations/

Lastly, you may be interested in our podcasts. Podcasting makes an audio file, typically an MP3 file, available online for downloading via an automatic "feed." You can then hear the podcast whenever you want from your computer or a portable media player. You may find more information by visiting:
http://www.npr.org/podcasts/

If you'd like to contact Apple for more information, you can e-mail them at .

Regards,

Chantel Harley
NPR Digital Media

Apr 15, 06 - 11:19 am Comment from: dude

MTV's Overdrive, VH1's Vspot, & whatever CMT has. Contact them. Make them Macintosh their systems. And like it.

Apr 16, 06 - 05:51 pm Comment from: other dude

AOL.com, their video supports Macs, their Radio, & IN2TV service does not. Contact them. Make them Macintosh their systems. And like it.

Aug 27, 06 - 10:45 pm Comment from: mitch

Quicktime, you mean another program to launch at boot time? Another peice of software to update? Another risk of a security hole? Oh and another server software WAY OVER PRICED. No thankyou, WMP has 50K free servers that work with it, and Unreal Media Player has a whole suite of FREE utilities that work with it! Why would anyone PAY for a server program to stream video when UNREAL MEDIA IS FREE and works not only with every type of video/audio format but also streams LIVE TV!! dont believe me, check out tvbydemand.com the future of tv!

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