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There are only two questions:

Will it be snappy?

Will it blend?

Apr 27, 08 - 01:38 pm Comment from: ericdano

The Wow is continuing. On one hand, it is good Dell is actually listening to people and providing XP. On the other hand.......Wow.

Apr 27, 08 - 01:50 pm Comment from: John

So... the choice is a 7 year old (barely useable) OS or Vista, and people are choosing the 7 year old OS? The "wow" does indeed start now!

Apr 27, 08 - 01:53 pm Comment from: Me In LA

It's two, two, two shitty OSes in one.
But wait, we also have a new, crappier version of Windows coming out soon!

So this basically amounts to Micro$oft being willing to give Vista away to anyone who wants to buy a Dull PC with XP installed, in the hope they might risk installing it later on.

God, I'd like to be the presenter who asks Ballmer that question on TV. It'd be great to try and see him worm his way out of answering that...

Apr 27, 08 - 02:43 pm Comment from: Rich Apple person

Hmmmm maybe Kia sales can be counted as Mercedes sales ! What a dumb move

@MDN

I have Mac at home and Win XP at work, no choice - for now.

Win XP does not suck, it is not as good as Mac OS, but it's still a very stable OS.

I have had almost no problems with XP over the years, IMHO it's the first and only decent OS from M$.

My boss told me last week that we will wait for Windows 7 before we upgrade, he thinks it will be better than Vista ..ohh my ohh my

No doubt in my mind that Xp is better than Vista, but both Operating systems suck compared to OS X and Ubuntu/OpenSuse.

Tiger. I read entry after entry after entry. Finally, someone puts the mother-of-all entires down.... I love it.

So, Tiger sums it up

- Will it be snappy?
- Will it blend?

There is nothing else to frigging discuss.

Why can't the world encapsulate things so goddamn elegantly as Tiger?

Thanks, buddy

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Will it blend....

Apr 27, 08 - 04:05 pm Comment from: loopy_nj

How's this for marketing-speak? Dell will be calling the systems "predowngraded". Yeah, that's just what I want to pay for, a brand new DOWNGRADED system. I can't believe what Windows users will put up with. Just get a Mac already.

Winders Vista. WOW... its sooo baaad!

Apr 27, 08 - 04:10 pm Comment from: HMCIV

Our company will be buying a lot of "Vista" licenses then. I'll tell the IT department to dust off their Downgrade CDs and their Aspirin.

Apr 27, 08 - 04:16 pm Comment from: mossman

Someone PLEASE tell me this violates some SEC regulation. This smacks of falsifying sales figures to scam shareholders.

Apr 27, 08 - 04:38 pm Comment from: AppleMacMan

@WinHex

Yes I agree with you that Windoze XP is the best OS put out by Microshaft but what makes it suck is that it is an ancient OS with NO modern innovations like Mac OS X Leopard. Microshaft has held back computer technology by at least a decade. Vista is a lemon that both businesses and consumers consider to be the true downgrade! My neighbor just purchased a new laptop running Vista and he already misses XP. I helped him set it up and install drivers for his HP printer. He has 3GB of RAM on it and it still feels NO faster than XP. I told him if he didn't have 3GB of RAM and only 1, his nice new shiny laptop would have slowed to a crawl under BIG, BLOATED and memory hungry Vista.

My sister in law's new HP desktop running Vista only has 1GB of RAM and it is very slow. Also CPU usage and memory usage remain very high with only a few additional programs installed on both of their new computers.

It is a HUGE travesty that the best Windoze users can look forward to right now is a dinosaur OS that has long reached it's limitations in regards to innovation and features. :(

Like one poster said above, just get a Mac. I know I did about 6 months ago and I haven't looked back.

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Apr 27, 08 - 05:01 pm Comment from: Woody

In other words, Vista sucks so bad that MS and Dell are forced to give it away.

And yes, Tiger's post wins the thread. Not often a first post does that. LMAO.

XP dose suck, but it's the best OS that Microsoft has at the moment. Pathetic.

" I'd like to be the presenter who asks Ballmer that question on TV."

Oh, there are a lot of questions I'd like to ask Monkey-boy on TV. Things like "why do you want to blow billions of dollars of your shareholder's money on efforts that have no hope of ever going profitable? Is it some kind of ego thing, or are you just bloody stupid?"

-jcr

BTW, I'm sure it will blend, but would you want to use that blender for drinks afterwards?

"Hey man, why does this Margarita tasted bloated and buggy?"

-jcr

Apr 27, 08 - 05:55 pm Comment from: MCCFR

Mossman…

I doubt very much that it violates anything.

If the OEM license fee is the same whether it's a Windows XP machine or a Vista machine, it doesn't make any difference to the investor community. Even if it did, all MSFT would have to do is alter their reporting so it read as something like "Windows Vista-equivalent licenses" and they'd be covered.

In reality, this is rather like an addict not admitting that they have a problem and – as far as I'm concerned – the longer MSFT chooses to ignore and obfuscate on the reality of Vista's failure, the better it is for Apple.

Here's my take, which some might find a little strict…

Fsck Microsoft - convicted monoppoly abusers who have no conscience and – even last year – conspired with another company (sadly a partner of Apple Inc.) to wilfully deceive customers with regards to the suitability of systems that would run Vista at an acceptable level.

Fsck Microsoft's PC customer base: if, after all these years and all the broken promises, you're still committed to the MSFT monoculture, you are nothing less than an idiot or a fool. Wake up and smell the coffee - these people see you as cash cow to be abused whenever possible.

Fsck MSFT's shareholders: you're an enabler to a company that treats its customers with absolute contempt. In a just world, you'd lose all your money tomorrrow morning.

Randolph wins 2nd place after Tiger for this thread.

Apr 27, 08 - 06:04 pm Comment from: ken1w

Interesting... Microsoft and Dell, copying Apple again. Many years ago (before Mac OS X 10.2), Apple installed Mac OS 9 by default and included Mac OS X "in the box" as the option.

"Desperation" is copying Apple's tactics when it was a bit desperate.

Okay, I get it. It's not snappy, but it will blend.

Maybe Dell could put an extra little sticker on their PCs saying "Blender Compatible", just under the one that says "Certified for Windows Vista" ?

Apr 27, 08 - 07:37 pm Comment from: Shinobi

Win XP is a good operating system when compared to Win 95/98...

Its not a good operating system when compared to OS X.

I tried Unbuntu and a bunch of other distros.... the Window manager crashed too often, and other annoyances made me give up on it.....I tried real hard to use it on a gateway laptop I no longer use since getting my MacBook Pro.

If anyone wants a good deal on a gateway laptop with WinXP installed on it... I will practically give it to you. No kidding.

All I can say is.... I have OS X, it totally rocks!

Apr 27, 08 - 07:49 pm Comment from: Cubert

Using XP after you have used OS X for while feels very archaic.

A FALSEHOOD IS A FALSEHOOD IS ALWAYS A FALSEHOOD... it's a lot like cheating!

It's not right and it will never be right!

Shame om Microsolf and may they be damed to the end of time!

And they expect people to buy there crap!

What ever happen to moral and ethical behavior?

Wow indeed, two shitty OSes to go with the shittier hardware Dull has to offer.

Wunderbar!

I just had to buy a new Dull crapbox for my business (yes, I know, I know but my billing, CRM, and POS vendor only supports Windoze, although I am working on them)....

It is interesting to note that Dull is so desperate they gave me over 50% off (which is actually still too much to pay for crap) but the config ONLY offered XP.... Vista was not even an 'upgrade' option!

MW: 'total' as in Dull make 'total' crap!

that is pretty sad that microsucks has to count XP as Vista sales

Apr 27, 08 - 10:56 pm Comment from: Randian

@Afib is a loser . . .

I concur completely with your "nom de net" AND your posted sentiments! Well said.

Expect MS to eventually bundle XP or Vista with every POS they sell, and to count those as Windows "sales".

Apr 28, 08 - 05:32 am Comment from: British Mac Head

It's cool. All of those sheep buying 7 year old tech that was still years older (technologically) than the equivalent OS X of the time.

So everyone else (especially us Mac users) are running OSs that are years ahead of the Windows Lemmings.

And they call us fanbois!!!

I think it is more fanatical to run an OS that is technologically around 10 years old when pretty much every other choice of OS is current and up to date.

Mossman,

When I bought my imac late last year I had the mac downgraded to Tiger from Leopard (there were a few problems at the time with Leopard and I wanted a totally stable OS for work purposes). It was still classified as a Leopard sale because they included the Leopard install disc as part of the sale. It's quite normal in the industry for this to happen. The difference is that when I bought the iMac it was a user requested sale variation and not a distributor requesting this as an option.

@therepguy,

In any list of oxymorons, my very favorite is "business ethics".

MDN word "have", as in "Microsoft doesn't have any business ethics."

This sounds like the part in the movie Five Easy Pieces where Nicholson is trying to order toast.."order a chicken sandwich, hold the mayo and the chicken, bring the toast and charge me for the sandwich"