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Jul 17, 08 - 02:31 pm Comment from: Macromancer

That's OK John, we think you've been getting more coverage than you deserve for years.


(Guess he needs page hits)

Jul 17, 08 - 02:32 pm Comment from: Grifterus

Pointless to comment. We all know Dvorak is an idiot

Jul 17, 08 - 02:33 pm Comment from: macaholic

More Dvorak swill masquerading as thought?

Not Want!!

Why even give him the time of day, the putz

He writes solely for the response, "Yawn", next......

Dvorak and Krakow should start a LooserMe club.

Jul 17, 08 - 02:42 pm Comment from: bdb

I was at the local Apple Store here in Louisville, Kentucky, yesterday and there was a line from the back of the store all the way out to the entrance, and there was NO media coverage whatsoever. And it was 5 days after the intro day, when I figured I could just walk in and buy an iPhone. I was wrong!

You know, what's needed is some kind of redirect system or mirroring system for this kind of trash (and Thurrott and Enderle), so that I can look at what was written without added to their trolling for hits behavior.

Might be a good service for MDN to set up.

Here lies a bloated hit whore who baited Web surfers with petty, snide, jealous remarks about vastly superior people and products. In a sad irony, his words rang completely hollow because he did not even believe what he wrote himself, using his words instead to entice clicks from an ubiquitous device that he could not even foresee as useful.

Fuck me with a rusty knife. It'd be less painful than having to read MDN's Take again.

Right on Macromancer.

The iPhone may have more than its fair share of coverage, but JD has had several years of people paying too much attention to him.

I for one am not paying attention to anything he says. I can get far for informed tech commentary from much better sources thank you.

Isn't he Mr. Ironic.

Hmmm... I think I'll do ANOTHER story about the iPhone, but the twist to this story is - drum roll ----- It's about too many stories about the iPhone.

Done.

No wonder I don't ever read his "articles".

Jul 17, 08 - 02:57 pm Comment from: HMCIV

Remember those little robots in the Helio commercials of old? They frightened me.


@John C. Dvorak
Gross. I hope you've had your tetanus shots.

M$ is a PR machine. They've had legions of committed media people dedicated to following their every move for decades. Why not pick on them John?

Magic Word: "modern", as in "I use the most modern OS available: OSX."

Helio won Dancing with the Stars last year, right?

And, let's lay off the "garish Hawaiian shirts". Remember, John Lasseter and I've seen Phil Schiller wearing them too!

Dvorak has paid the price for his rabid, unobjective bias. He has made himself an irrelevant annoyance that even Microsoft fans disregard with an eye roll.

So now Dvorak is going to write stories about other people's stories? Or is he going to completely change his journalistic training and only write about things which are NOT news, like a new Samsung phone?

One of the easiest ways to get attention is to scream out that somebody's getting something they don't deserve. I guess that would be Dvorak, because he doesn't deserve the attention he's getting on MDN or anywhere else.

I can't believe I just wasted 2 min. talking about him.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:10 pm Comment from: HolyMackerel

I know JCD is a baiter, but in this world where truth is hidden amongst the fanboys and anti-fanboys his cynicism is refreshing.

I love the vidcast Craky Geeks since the presenters challenge John's views and John either sticks to his guns, despite the opposition, or as often has to admit he was wrong. He doesn't go with the crowd, so he is entertaining, just like Zune Tang…

I actually agree with him and I am love Apple and my iPhone. Some coverage has been good, but mostly its just journalists following like sheep. On launch day the iPhone became the top story for a period of time on CNN. With all the things going on around the world the release of a phone (yes an amazing one) should not have made number one news on CNN.

Slightly harsh on the take, MDN--if we're talking legacies here, you yourself don't even throw a name on your opinions, many of which feature unprofessional ad hominem attacks that surely entertain, but hold no logical substance, just like Mr. Dvorak's columns.

On second thought, oh, silly me! I'm make the secondary mistake (on top of attacking the anonymous MDN powers that be) of taking performance to be reality! The Ann Coulter strategy--you and John both employ it! I'm just not in on nit...

Jul 17, 08 - 03:13 pm Comment from: Tommy Boy

Dvorak does have a point about bandwagons.

He may be wrong often, but this time he is absolutely right.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:15 pm Comment from: Chuck U Farley

This guy has become the biggest non-factor in tech journalism. Why does MDN even bother reporting what this douche-bag has to say?

There's nothing to see here, move along...

MDN is an irrelevance

"This thought is triggered by the ridiculous over-coverage of the Apple iPhone in a market full of new phones that get zero coverage from these same people ..."

What a ridiculous statement (and a ridiculous article for that matter). Maybe the other phones being loosed on the public don't have anything worth covering. Maybe they aren't aesthetically pleasing. Maybe they don't offer any new interface. Maybe they don't bring the fastidiousness that are coupled with Apple products; the sheer perfection and dedication to detail. Maybe people only care about revolutionary products. Products that are a cut above the rest. Products that entrance and delight. Products that tickle a consumer in just that right way.

I am sick of pundits trying to pull the rug out from under Apple. Apple has reached where it is by designing word-class products that outperform their competitors. They certainly don't innovate as much as perfect. But that is their niche. And they deserve accolades. Unlike competitors that either have a tenuous monopoly, or have risen to the top through anti-competitive behaviour, Apple made rose to their respected level through dedication and a meticulous nature.

Moreover, if we adopt Dvorak's skewed way of thinking, then that would mean no product, not any, no matter if it cured cancer, vacuumed your house, gave you free beer, or turned your relationship around for the better, would get any more press than the dancing banana that sits on your desk. Sometimes products deserve their legions of fans...

""The journalism community in general—and tech journalists in particular—discourage free enterprise and real competition. They are the worst kind of bandwagon-hoppers and hero-worshippers. No wonder the public does not think highly of the profession," John C. Dvorak writes for PC Magazine."

Except that Dvorak uses the Apple PR machine (even though he makes negative comments) to get hits for his sight which:
1) Makes him the WORST kind of bandwagon hopper
2) Makes the public not think highly of the profession
3) Makes him simply appear as a big, loudmouthed idiot

Jul 17, 08 - 03:24 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

I have actually seen him make statements that are logical.

It makes me doubt my own sanity when he does.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:25 pm Comment from: iamdj

Is that windbag still around?

This from a guy whose profession is earmarked by countless flattering articles on software and hardware that never actually existed for the benefit of a certain software behemoth. Anyone own a Surface yet?

The sad irony is that this is sad irony: the tech press fell all over themselves to herald the future arrival of Windows 7 so as to pretend the Vista debacle never happened.

I personally like Dvorak. I always click on MDN links that report on him. He's blunt and straight forward. At least he's honest enough to admit that he baits Mac users.

For those on this forum that are putting Dvorak down as an idiot, how can you say this. The guy lives and breathes technology. He's been doing so his entire career. You may not agree with Dvorak, but he's entitled to his opinion and I personally tend to almost always agree with him (maybe I'm an idiot too ).

I like when he is a guest on TWIT. He's always a grouch. He's not easily impressed. I think he makes the show a lot of fun.

He's correct about the over coverage of the iPhone. I'm sure there are other great phones that don't get any coverage. Even if they are covered, they are always compared to the iPhone.

Why does MDN or any other site pay attention to Dvorak? don't you know he does that in other to catch attention because he is so stupid that he does not know other way to do that.

He's just trolling for hits again. Nothing else to see here.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:43 pm Comment from: wyorancher

Ya know, after "The New World Symphony" he never did much worthwhile - this proves it - damn - fishing for hits.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:49 pm Comment from: nekogami13

While the 3G iPhone launch should get some coverage-I to am tired of it being the sole focus of many podcasts/news sites.

Isn't anyone else doing anything interesting?
No-then the rest of you tech companies need to get off your asses and show some effort.

Jul 17, 08 - 03:51 pm Comment from: madgunde

Best. MDN. Take. EVER!

Dvorak wouldn't know journalism if it was the Titanic and fell on him.

The iPhone gets the coverage because it's the future right there in your hands. The Samsung "lookalike" didn't get as much covereage for the same reason Sanjaya didn't get the coverage that Dughtry gets. One's a pretender in drag, the other's a hard core rock and roller. (Well, okay, only when comparing the two.)

Jul 17, 08 - 03:54 pm Comment from: BiZarRo BaLlmEr

I'm upset at the coverage Dvorak gets.

Jul 17, 08 - 04:01 pm Comment from: DRM sucks

"Which of these jokers has written anything in detail about the Samsung iPhone lookalike?"

Right, they should review the photocopies beside the original. Aside from comparing the features, they should compare the OS and ease of integration, such as the fact that iPod owners can sync their iPhone to the same software. Excellent.

OK, get this then if you want a great example of iPhone ignored syndrome... The BBC online news site has YET TO MENTION AT ALL the iPhone launch, 1m sold and 10m downloads of the App store. The only mention they have given to the new iPhone is of the download problems on Friday...!

Complain away if you pay a BBC license fee like I do - and begrudge every penny of it.

Jul 17, 08 - 04:14 pm Comment from: Greg L

As I’ve said before, Dvorak is a noob. Back in 1984 or 1985, he wrote in Infoworld that there was no need for the WIMP interface (Windows, Icons, Mouse, Pull-down menus) and there was no evidence it made anyone more efficient. He wrote about how he had become so proficient using DOS. Really, he was expert in the command-line interface and was simply disappointed that this new technology would level the playing field and erode his “expertise.”

DVORAK’S WRITINGS ON COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ARE ABSURD. IGNORE HIM FOR GOD’S SAKE. THE ONLY REASON HE’S STILL EMPLOYED AS A WRITER IS HE KEEPS WRITING TRIPE THAT 1) PEOPLE READ, SO 2) ADVERTISERS BY AD SPACE.

Jul 17, 08 - 04:24 pm Comment from: Famous Grouse

The headline should be changed to read "Pompous windbag bemoans lack of coverage of pompous windbags"

The only time I hear anything about this guy is on MDN. He actually gets paid to write? Does he have a day job?

Jul 17, 08 - 04:44 pm Comment from: Me In LA

Covers over-coverage with more coverage?
Am I crazy?
Dolt.

Jul 17, 08 - 04:52 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

In my mind's eye I still Dvorak on the last page of MacUser back in the day (or was it MacWorld). He was kinda cute back then, and in his own ugly way, he's still kinda cute.

Jul 17, 08 - 04:53 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

And no, I'm not gay - Usually.

John wrote in March 2007:

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone" -- http://www.applegazette.com/on-the-web/dvorack-thinks-apple-should-dump-the-iphone-before-its-too-late/

He is a ding dong. Why bother with this nut job!!

John C. Dvorak and dvorak.com/blog both rock!!

Not surprised at all to see MDN hooked and reeled in yet again.

John C. Dvorak, whose crankiness knows no bounds, is a contributing editor of PC Magazine, for which he has been writing two columns, including the popular Inside Track, since 1986.

The consistently irritated Dvorak has won eight national awards from the Computer Press Association, including Best Columnist and Best Column.

Dvorak is also a weekly columnist for Dow-Jones Marketwatch, Info! (Brazil) and BUG Magazine (Croatia). He was previously a columnist for Forbes, Forbes Digital, PC World, MacUser, PC/Computing, Barrons, Smart Business and other magazines and newspapers and is a former editor and consulting editor for Infoworld. Dvorak's writing has also appeared in the New York Times, LA Times, SF Examiner, Vancouver Sun. He was on the start-up team for CNet TV and for ZDTV. At ZDTV (and TechTV), Dvorak was host of the show Silicon Spin for four years and did 1,000 live and live-to-tape TV shows. He was on public radio for 8 years and wrote over 4,000 articles and columns, and authored or co-authored 14 books.

Dvorak is the 2004 Award winner of the American Business Editors Association's national gold award for best online column of 2003. That was followed up by an unprecedented second national gold award from the ABEA in 2005, again for the best online column (for 2004).

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Those of you complaining about Dvorak, please post your credentials and awards.

Jul 17, 08 - 05:28 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

Bandit Bill,

He's still an asshole no matter what his credentials.

So are you his press agent, or just an admirer?

Bandit Bill, brush your teeth. Your breath smells like Dvorak's ass.

Dvorak is great. He's way better at the baiting game than MDN.

He's a fun read and often has some pretty insightful things to say and probably has more integrity than MDN.