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Dvorak: ‘I personally do not like the Mac; Windows Vista’s ‘Mac-like’ qualities may spell its doom’
Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 04:44 PM EST

"The one curious aspect of [Microsoft's Windows] Vista, which may also spell its doom and mark the end of the road for the most popular OS in the history of the world, is its newest Mac-like qualities. This phenomenon I find quite fascinating," John C. Dvorak foments for PC Magazine.

Dvorak foments, "From what I can tell, the Mac community likes Vista more than the PC community. Apparently, in its quest to emulate what Apple does on the Mac—as if it's the holy grail of computers—Microsoft has given up on what makes a PC unique. (And I don't mean the blue screen of death.) There is something about Vista that has crossed over to the right brain—the realm of the Mac."

"When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it's true. Hence, Apple's market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale. Now it looks as if there is more to it than price. I, personally, do not like the Mac—snappy response aside—of the way it feels when saving files. I know this is silly, but I've never felt comfortable with it. It was mushy in some weird way that always gave me the creeps. I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I've never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry," Dvorak foments.

Dvorak foments, "This is a minor thing to people who would be fearful of removing a hard disk, and that, to me, would be a typical art director at an ad agency who used a Mac. He's buying the machine because it looks good and he/she likes the way it feels."

Dvorak foments, "And there is the much-discussed odd nature of the fringe Mac users who are cultlike and often psycho in their behavior: They see the machine as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence. They represent the worst kind of irrational right-brainers. Who needs to associate with people like that?"

Full mess, Think Before You Click™, here.

MacDailyNews Take: Questions abound:
• Which "Mac community," exactly, likes Windows Vista more than "the PC community?"
• If the Mac isn't "the holy grail of computers," what is, John? Windows XP? Some obscure Linux distro? Kaypro, you old fool?
• Perhaps the majority of people do not like Macs because they have no idea what a Mac is or what they're missing? Or because they believe garbage from the likes of Dvorak?
• Why do those who use both Mac and Windows overwhelmingly choose Macs? Get over it, it's true.
• Who would've guessed that John C. Dvorak, personally, does not like the Mac? You know, because it's "mushy in some weird way."
• You can't take a hard disk out of a Mac Pro, easily put it into another Mac Pro, and then go exploring the drive without worry? Of course you can - and easier than with any Windows PC, too.
• Why does Dvorak pretend that people buy Macs because they look good? The answer is in the video included below.
• The only one who's "psycho in their behavior" is the man technology long ago passed by: John C. Dvorak. Why else would he not want to "associate with people like that" while continuing to bait them for decades with his badly written slop?
• Does PC Magazine really need to stoop so low for hits as to employ an empty-headed blowhard who has admitted on tape (see below) to baiting Mac users in a desperate quest for hits?
• Besides just sounding old, John's really looking old. What legacy will John C. Dvorak leave besides a closetful of bad shirts, the reputation of a weasel, and reams upon reams of worthless sniping?

John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users in desperate attempts to generate traffic for his junk:


Related articles:
Dvorak on Apple iPhone, Steve Jobs, Ballmer, Transcendental Meditation, and more - January 17, 2007
Dvorak on Apple iPhone: ‘I think Apple can do wrong and I think this is it’ - January 13, 2007
Apple sells 450,000 of Dvorak’s ‘nutty’ Nike+iPod Sport Kits in under three months - September 13, 2006
Dvorak tries damage control - June 20, 2006
Video: Dvorak admits to baiting Apple Mac users for hits - June 10, 2006
Dvorak thinks iPod+Nike Sport Kit is ‘nutty’ - May 24, 2006

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Jan 24, 07 - 04:48 pm Comment from: MacMan

God, Dvorak is such a dbag. He says the stupidest shit. He just loves to piss us Mac users off!

Jan 24, 07 - 04:50 pm Comment from: jonner

I really hate this guy. I wouldn't mind if he fell out of a box and hit his head on some moldy bread.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:51 pm Comment from: Ray

This guy is the Jimmy "The Greek" of computer commentators. We are just waiting for him to make the first off-color comment so he gets canned, once and for all.

Maybe we can bait him and ask him why certain races aren't running M$.....

Jan 24, 07 - 04:52 pm Comment from: Truth Decay

Someone needs to stop pulling his string. Please just leave him in the dark toy closet slumped over where he belongs.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:52 pm Comment from: macro'

Someone please punch this jackass in the mouth.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:55 pm Comment from: Geo

Dvorak writes "... I, personally, do not like the Mac..."

Fortunately, all Apple has to do at this point is simply wait for all these simple-minded old fogeys to die off (and they will sooner or later). For the most part, Apple is courting the next generation of computer users -- except for the gamers -- which they really need to get busy on...

Jan 24, 07 - 04:55 pm Comment from: John Dvorak

"...in other words, I'm a hack!"





MDN Magic word: "even"- as in: "even" the camera guy knows that Dvorak is a hack.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:55 pm Comment from: DJ

What a tosser.

The mag's not much better -- rather workmanlike for my taste.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:56 pm Comment from: ferf Muckmeyer

John,

FSCK YOU.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:57 pm Comment from: Ray

Apple needs to get the gamers attention.

I agree. I play WoW on my Mac Pro. There is a market Apple needs to address. ..hey would that be a MAC ADDRESS?

Jan 24, 07 - 04:58 pm Comment from: typhoon

Do the world a favor and, as MDN says, "Think Before You Click™."

Don't give this idiot any more hits. We'll have him back managing a Wendy's from midnight to 6 a.m. in no time (no offense Wendy's employees. Ack! Actually, I like Wendy's. What am I saying?!) Anway, don't help keep this guy in business.

Let's take a stand against stupidity, evil, greed, and lies. He craves money and attention. Give him neither.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:58 pm Comment from: Jimbo von Winskinheimer

"I can't put my finger on it." Uh, perhaps because there is no logical reason you feel that way. He's hated Macs for so long that he doesn't even remember why. Perhaps it was jealousy, or cost (in the old days). Maybe it was because it didn't have an old fashioned command prompt mode (in the old days). Whatever it was, he can't even remember and it's probably no longer relevent. So, he comes up with crap to continue his hatred.

Along the same lines, I'm sure that PC Mag is probably saying "I think there was a reason we hired John D., but I can't remember why."

Jan 24, 07 - 04:59 pm Comment from: Metryq

With Target Mode there's no reason to take the drive out of the Mac in order to go exploring it with another Mac. There's nothing like it in the Windows world. While working at a multimedia company years ago the clients were always stunned by the multi-monitor desktop -- never mind the 3D work I was doing for them on the screen. "How did you do that?" (As the cursor smoothly glided from one screen to another.) "What key did you press?" Target Mode is like that now.

Jan 24, 07 - 04:59 pm Comment from: James

Why doesn't God take him already? LOL

Jan 24, 07 - 05:01 pm Comment from: Mike

Why doesn't he just go back to DOS? Much more his speed.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:01 pm Comment from: dog

what do you expect from him? he is admitting the he has absolutely no creativity. even engineers are creative.

if dvorak started praising macs, i would think that something is wrong.

clearly, he is a consultant for MS.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:02 pm Comment from: Beryllium

The extent to which I

a) care what Dvorak has to say and
b) would make the effort to visit his site

is described below:

Jan 24, 07 - 05:03 pm Comment from: norm e.`

WOW. He has really lost it. Period. End of sentence.

Remove hard drive? Mac Pro. open side cover, push in drive, out it pops.

Feels weird?? Yep he is gone.

I have a friend that likes to "play" with the guts of their PC machine. It makes them "feel" good. Like they have some control.

They don't. When she changed modems, all of her systems died. Printer would not work, etc. Tech support told her that she would have to replace most every piece of hardware.

She had made a copy of her software configuration before changing hardware. She put her old modem back in, rebooted her old software and everything worked again. She was happy. She had to buy another computer to get a faster modem cause her PC just "did not work" with her. :-(

I just smile and let her tell me about all her new toys and adapters and software upgrades. I know that, in her own sweet weird way, she is having fun.

Doing that would drive me nuts. I just like to use my machine, not constantly fix it. grin

Dovark, go play in your sand box with the other incurable geek-want-to-be's and leave us alone. We enjoy superior hardware/software especially when it plays nice with each other. grin

N.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:04 pm Comment from: eWorldian

He says... "I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry,"

I have to ask..... UMMMMMMM, what the hell are you talking about????

Jan 24, 07 - 05:05 pm Comment from: slackerdave

He's totally baiting. If you even fall for it... you're the loser he thinks you are.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:05 pm Comment from: Marcus

The more he rants on the less credible as a tech reporter he becames.
Stories like this are going to spell his own doom. When people stop caring what he has to say.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:06 pm Comment from: eWorldian

Please don't give this moron any more credit.... quit posting his obvious crap!

Jan 24, 07 - 05:08 pm Comment from: Fruitful

MDN,

Your Think Before You Click™ is genius - I hope you guys continue to use this whenever you deem necessary.

We can all read it here and the idiots like Dvorak, Enderle, etc. get no traffic. It's perfect!

Jan 24, 07 - 05:08 pm Comment from: I hate Apple . . .

Apple ruined its reputation as a computer maker in the 90s. It has and will continue to have a huge problem overcoming that image right now. When it was time to win over the computer market, Apple lost. Microsoft won. Now Apple faces the monumental task of trying to convince the majority of computer users that they it is worth switching . . . that this generation of Macs are far better than that previous generation of Macs they grew to hate. They are still more expensive, overall.

The iPod has helped redeem its image a bit. If Apple wants to win over more people, it needs to let Windows users use more of its software . . . why not Safari??

I believe Apple has started to branch out into other areas also to redeem its image. Has the Mac been gaining market share? Yes. Will it ever be able to take the lead against the other computer companies? Certainly. However, I seriously doubt if it will ever take the lead away from Windows.

Apple's only chance is to make its OS able to be run on ANY PC. However, that would ruin their entire computer business. OS X is the main competitor to Windows, and Microsoft knows it will never be a serious competitor. It will take some other company to finally compete with Microsoft, because Apple will never be in a position to do it.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:08 pm Comment from: botox

DON'T CLICK!!!! flamebait from D O R K !!!!

Jan 24, 07 - 05:10 pm Comment from: Sean

This guy works for a magazine! They sure as hell don't use Windows to put it together. EVERY print shop uses macs.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:11 pm Comment from: botox

Such SAD life!! Writing bigotry for FOOD!!

Jan 24, 07 - 05:11 pm Comment from: Bizarro Ballmer

He is the master of baiting

Jan 24, 07 - 05:11 pm Comment from: Rayzor

These PC guys are always on about having access to the internals. Mac's don't break down as much as PC's do, so there's no need to be concerned about pulling the damn thing apart.
When you buy a car you don't think, Hmmmm I like this car, the gearbox is in a great postion for me to get at it when it blows up.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:12 pm Comment from: just curious

"• Why do those who use both Mac and Windows overwhelmingly choose Macs? Get over it, it's true."

Is there a study somewhere that supports this statement?

Jan 24, 07 - 05:13 pm Comment from: mudflapper

You can deny it all you want, but every item of clothing you wear, everything you eat, every car you drive, every band you love, is an extension of yourself.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:13 pm Comment from: bizarro

"I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I've never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry."

What in the fsck is this douche talking about? "Felt"? Oh, well I feel that saving files in Windows actually removes my soul* and sells it to a hobo.

*if I had one

Jan 24, 07 - 05:14 pm Comment from: Hemorrhoid Rage

Fsck Dvorak. I am an art director and freelancer and I did not buy a Mac just because it "looks good". I am a hard-working professional and I deserve to be respected as such, and that kind of comment is an insult to the entire design industry. Perhaps John thinks being a worthless hack writer is the pinnacle of his career, but to the rest of the world he and his thoughtless, immature, devoid of any critical thought comments can jump from the nearest cliff. He produces nothing of value and is worthless in the scheme of things.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:14 pm Comment from: chris

My, what a whinger, it's quite simple, if you don't like it then don't use it, I really don't give a f**k!

Jan 24, 07 - 05:15 pm Comment from: john

He wants hits on his blog dvorak-blog so don't go to his site! We all know that Vista isn't Mac like in any way, shape, or form.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:15 pm Comment from: realist

"If Apple wants to win over more people, it needs to let Windows users use more of its software . . . why not Safari??"

- Eh, or maybe just stick with iTunes and maybe porting iPhoto to Windows. After all, there are many Mac users that don't even use Safari.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:15 pm Comment from: cousar

He's hilarious. He's like a techie Andy Kaufman.

MDN Word: southern, as in those Kaufman baited in his wrestling persona.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:16 pm Comment from: Macaday

Someone put this moron out of his misery...please.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:17 pm Comment from: Zune Tang

Dork gets it. Mac fanboys don't

Zune Zune Zune.... Ya Zune Zune Zune...

wahie a minute, was that from Mazda? oopz!

Soon Tank

Jan 24, 07 - 05:18 pm Comment from: mudflapper

cousar,

He is nowhere near as brilliant as Andy Kaufman. Kaufman was subversive and groundgreaking. This guy is just a troll.

IMHO.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:18 pm Comment from: Davey

John C. Dvorak is a shining example of one who is victim of the "Stockholm syndrome" when it comes to using a PC. Saying that the way the Mac saves files "gives him the creeps" is a clear indication.

I have to admit that Windows gives ME the creeps though. Clicking on "START" to shut down a computer and not ever knowing if opening up an attachment in an e-mail could irreversably hijack or destroy the OS. Now THAT'S creepy.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:19 pm Comment from: mudflapper

Did I just type "groundgreaking?"

Lol. Sorry.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:19 pm Comment from: SydneyStephen

does anyone else apart from the mac community read any of this drivel?

Jan 24, 07 - 05:20 pm Comment from: Robert Ergole

He does sound a bit like Rush Limbaugh talking about Hillary Clinton, doesn't he? Wonder if he also uses Viagra for underage sex tours in the Dominican Republic.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:20 pm Comment from: someone please!

spam this half witt's inbox and sign him up to every pron junk mailing list know to mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... any hackers out there? show this twit why his dull box is so unsqushable...

puleeese! someone? anyone?

Jan 24, 07 - 05:25 pm Comment from: Qwerty

He's still upset that his alternative keyboard layout never caught on with the masses.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:25 pm Comment from: Curt

The ONLY reason PC's have the market share they do is that early on IBM went after the business market, and Apple made the mistake of sticking with the educational market.

Once Apple can break into the business market in a big way, you'll see a tsunami in home purchases.

I'm sold on Apple and I used to be a Windows-based developer making my living in the PC world. MSFT has a rich history of bug-riddled cr@p that doesn't live up to their own hype.

Look at Vista - where's the WinFS that was promised?

Jan 24, 07 - 05:30 pm Comment from: Jim - the independent voter

It's getting near the end of the month and his rent is due. Flame bait article only. The amazing thing to me is that with his confession on video about how and why he does this, his advertisers still pay him for the hits he gets.

Jan 24, 07 - 05:31 pm Comment from: derek

Dvorak has spoken. I.E. I don't care.

tongue laugh

Jan 24, 07 - 05:31 pm Comment from: mike k.

there's something particularly delightful about the logic of his argument: i don't like the way Macs save files because if my computer crashes and i have to find the file again i am not sure i can find it.

Leaving aside the obvious answer (the file is in your "documents" folder inside your "home" folder - sorry if that was confusing for you), any rational person would focus his efforts on choosing a well built computer whose OS is not prone to crashing the system rather than a file saving scheme which "feels" less "mushy."

This is akin to insisting that your STD-riddled-prostitute use the condom with fewer holes in it. Hey Dvorak - you are focusing your attention on the wrong thing.

/not the greatest analogy
//STD jokes are always funny

Jan 24, 07 - 05:31 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

It takes years of long practice to be able to speak out of your mouth and butt at the same time.

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